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Rentier2 79M
105 posts
9/4/2021 12:48 pm
2042


I just finished reading 'Caste' a book about the caste system in the US and comparing it to what exists in India, and how it worked in Nazi Germany.

One of the interesting items in the book is that Whites will be a minority in the US around 2042.

Is this upsetting for anyone?

If that were to happen in Canada I wouldn't care.

starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
9/4/2021 9:48 pm

People are so blended that bi-racial or multi-racial is common.

Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/4/2021 10:26 pm

The way the climate is changing, we could all benefit from more melanin.......


Shartaun03 81F
6199 posts
9/4/2021 11:42 pm

Twenty years from now I probably will not be around anymore so why should I worry about it. In biblical times they have always said the yellow skinned people will take over the world. It is fast approaching to that.


Koffla 68M
12273 posts
9/5/2021 12:06 am



"One of the interesting items in the book is that Whites will be a minority in the US around 2042.

Is this upsetting for anyone?"


In the United States, the nation is diversifying so fast that it is predicted that whites will soon be a minority. No wonder some right wing and religious conservatives are panicking about the declining birthrate. There should be no surprise that there is a rise in white supremacy, nationalism and xenophobia, and an open push for conservatives to have more children.



PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
9/5/2021 12:14 am

It's not upsetting to me at all. In fact it seems like a good thing because when there are fewer people whose ancestry is 100 percent of any given race, I'm guessing that the incidence of racially motivated hate crimes would decrease. Does the book address that theory?

Interesting side note … I'm working on my family tree so I had my DNA analyzed. The test results show the ancestry composition of about 1,000 of my cousins. My informal observation is that my younger cousins are way more likely to have a lot of diversity in their profile than my older cousins. This makes sense in light of the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws which occurred after many of my older cousins were born.

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LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/5/2021 2:16 am

That's not what concerns me. What does however is a reemergence of racism, blatant racism in fact, inside America. One of the things often misunderstood by Americans are the political views of non-white citizens. I was shocked myself to discover just how far off the mark Americans are. One might think for example that black America fully embraces progressive politics. That is not the case. They are overwhelmingly moderates. What they are seeking are rational approaches to problems and greater equity across the board. I found it difficult to argue in opposition to what they are calling for. This was a big reason that constituency went all in for President Biden - they embrace wholly equitable thinking. I discovered I was far more progressive in my views than I found they were. But I think they were realists, grasping the slower pace of societal change and not confident that America could manage bold change. I'm personally less convinced of that.

But what is sure clear to me is that American minorities are being treated with contempt, and the lack of respect demonstrates a prevailing ignorance that is setting the country back. America can do well as the proportion of ethnic population equalizes because a more compromising political landscape will become prevalent. However, if America loses its democracy, and in my view it is on life support now, it may well end in a survival of the fittest tug of war and we could experience a long struggle with both social and economic, and even international upheaval, unproductive upheaval.

I doubt there will be much public support for my view but I think the Biden proposals are deliberately bold because of his decades of public policy experience. He knows, regardless of the political price at stake, that we've waited to long to clean up our act already. This is a 'Hail Mary' to save the country. It is 4th down in America and we'll see if we've got what it takes, to make the right call.


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
9/5/2021 3:24 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    That's not what concerns me. What does however is a reemergence of racism, blatant racism in fact, inside America. One of the things often misunderstood by Americans are the political views of non-white citizens. I was shocked myself to discover just how far off the mark Americans are. One might think for example that black America fully embraces progressive politics. That is not the case. They are overwhelmingly moderates. What they are seeking are rational approaches to problems and greater equity across the board. I found it difficult to argue in opposition to what they are calling for. This was a big reason that constituency went all in for President Biden - they embrace wholly equitable thinking. I discovered I was far more progressive in my views than I found they were. But I think they were realists, grasping the slower pace of societal change and not confident that America could manage bold change. I'm personally less convinced of that.

    But what is sure clear to me is that American minorities are being treated with contempt, and the lack of respect demonstrates a prevailing ignorance that is setting the country back. America can do well as the proportion of ethnic population equalizes because a more compromising political landscape will become prevalent. However, if America loses its democracy, and in my view it is on life support now, it may well end in a survival of the fittest tug of war and we could experience a long struggle with both social and economic, and even international upheaval, unproductive upheaval.

    I doubt there will be much public support for my view but I think the Biden proposals are deliberately bold because of his decades of public policy experience. He knows, regardless of the political price at stake, that we've waited to long to clean up our act already. This is a 'Hail Mary' to save the country. It is 4th down in America and we'll see if we've got what it takes, to make the right call.
Looks like we agree that things could improve as the proportion of ethnic population equalizes. And I agree with the additional points you made about how dire the situation is now and the challenges that lie ahead. You mention that something I wrote doesn't concern you and I'm sorry if I went off topic. To clarify … the first part of my reply was forward-looking with hopes that future equalizing of ethnicity will bring positive change. And the second part of my reply was anecdotal evidence in my ancestry data supporting the book's assertion that Whites are moving toward being a minority in the US.

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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/5/2021 7:09 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    That's not what concerns me. What does however is a reemergence of racism, blatant racism in fact, inside America. One of the things often misunderstood by Americans are the political views of non-white citizens. I was shocked myself to discover just how far off the mark Americans are. One might think for example that black America fully embraces progressive politics. That is not the case. They are overwhelmingly moderates. What they are seeking are rational approaches to problems and greater equity across the board. I found it difficult to argue in opposition to what they are calling for. This was a big reason that constituency went all in for President Biden - they embrace wholly equitable thinking. I discovered I was far more progressive in my views than I found they were. But I think they were realists, grasping the slower pace of societal change and not confident that America could manage bold change. I'm personally less convinced of that.

    But what is sure clear to me is that American minorities are being treated with contempt, and the lack of respect demonstrates a prevailing ignorance that is setting the country back. America can do well as the proportion of ethnic population equalizes because a more compromising political landscape will become prevalent. However, if America loses its democracy, and in my view it is on life support now, it may well end in a survival of the fittest tug of war and we could experience a long struggle with both social and economic, and even international upheaval, unproductive upheaval.

    I doubt there will be much public support for my view but I think the Biden proposals are deliberately bold because of his decades of public policy experience. He knows, regardless of the political price at stake, that we've waited to long to clean up our act already. This is a 'Hail Mary' to save the country. It is 4th down in America and we'll see if we've got what it takes, to make the right call.
I know you don't see it.. what perpetuates it

This is not a personal opinion it's just an observation. I believe in equality, i believe people are people..

What you say is true..
It is true that most white people fear, more than they are on the offense.
racism come from people on the offense. but that is the minority

What about the people who claim not to be racist ..but fear

I observe it all the time...
disrespect is not confined to race..It's hard to untie the knots..of political partisanship, religion, gender, wealth, appearance, education, and location

Separating the specifics of race is nearly impossible, without dealing with everything else..
so most see racial prejudice.. as the problem of race..but race doesn't live on an island.
Racism may appear clear in certain circumstances .. but in America, because it is america.. if more foggy than most of the world..Racism in America is less and certainly no greater than the rest of the world.

So why do white people fear..what perpetuates that fear.. I don't want to get into the 'Whats' of balancing the scales.. I want to get into the idea of the act of balancing the scales .. that as far as humans are concerned can not be balanced.
this is what perpetuate the idea of racism and fear.. trying to balance the scales.

Equality can not be measured.. it is not balanced by tit for tat. Equality can only be found in the totality, not in the parts
Equality doesn't exist in reality.. but real human equality exists in the mind. In the mind it is the burdens of inequality.. that need to be balanced... Not the advantages.. in most cases.. that happens. the racists don't have the advantage, just the avoidance of their own burden..
That's my mind's idea of equality.
the fear is not generated by them...but the over compensation about them. trying to balance the scales..that were never really out of balance with some people without substance.. trying to balance the scale with more different people without substance doesn't change a damn thing, but creates fear.


Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
9/5/2021 8:41 am

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LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/5/2021 9:24 am

    Quoting PearlsWthMyJeans:
    Looks like we agree that things could improve as the proportion of ethnic population equalizes. And I agree with the additional points you made about how dire the situation is now and the challenges that lie ahead. You mention that something I wrote doesn't concern you and I'm sorry if I went off topic. To clarify … the first part of my reply was forward-looking with hopes that future equalizing of ethnicity will bring positive change. And the second part of my reply was anecdotal evidence in my ancestry data supporting the book's assertion that Whites are moving toward being a minority in the US.
I did read what you had written and decided to add my support as well as my rationale for how I see things today. The key point of opposition however was to the question raised by this blog's author - I am not concerned about the shifting sands of minority. But, I am concerned that society is already acting to make this harder than it needs to be, or should be.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/5/2021 10:57 am

I speak of balance, equality and advantage and disadvantage.. And Fear as the motivating factor..

Let me give you an example..

A racist and not a racist meet to have an honest conversation..Who's advantage and who isn't.. The non-racist accuses the racist of being advantaged.. and sees his own disadvantage from that.. The racist see himself as having an advantage you are trying to take away.. And because you see yourself as disadvantage.. Of course the victims of racism sees both you MF'er as advantage and they are the ones disadvantages.

It think every one of then is in fricken agreement the advantaged want to keep their advantage and the non racist the victims want it to be equal..

you can't balance out shit..when it all stinks differently. trying to balance it out only makes it worse. You can't make everybody advantaged.. when everybody is in truth is disadvantaged

Begin with idea that the racist is the one disadvantaged.. And from there understand your own advantages

A bad guy will steal... a good guy won't.. the fact that a bad guy gets away with stealing..... will NEVER change the fact he's a BAD GUY....
Strangely.. our society doesn't agree with that.
It's not about what's right or wrong.. it's about what you can get away with.


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
9/5/2021 11:08 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    I did read what you had written and decided to add my support as well as my rationale for how I see things today. The key point of opposition however was to the question raised by this blog's author - I am not concerned about the shifting sands of minority. But, I am concerned that society is already acting to make this harder than it needs to be, or should be.
I agree with what you have written and I apologize. When I quoted you previously it was because I thought you were commenting on my reply and not on the original blog. My error. Have a great day!

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LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/5/2021 4:22 pm

    Quoting PearlsWthMyJeans:
    I agree with what you have written and I apologize. When I quoted you previously it was because I thought you were commenting on my reply and not on the original blog. My error. Have a great day!
Oh no need for an apology. I was just glad you said what you did because it inspired me to say the same thing!


dusty177 73M

9/6/2021 1:43 pm

White people are the only people in the USA working to suppress the right to vote ... and oppress the rights of tax paying Citizens they don't like.

Jimmy crack corn and I don't care ...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/10/2021 4:53 am

    Quoting dusty177:
    White people are the only people in the USA working to suppress the right to vote ... and oppress the rights of tax paying Citizens they don't like.

    Jimmy crack corn and I don't care ...
"White people are the only people in the USA working to suppress the right to vote"

I keep saying it's not about what a person says.. it about how they say it..
Is the point to solve a conflict or create a conflict?

It's a black and white issue... only about winning and losing