Close Please enter your Username and Password


sparkleflit 76F
5179 posts
8/17/2021 9:35 pm
MEANWHILE.....


So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence....

Bertrand Russell

sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/17/2021 9:44 pm

Russell described himself in 1947 as an agnostic, saying: "Therefore, in regard to the Olympic gods, speaking to a purely philosophical audience, I would say that I am an Agnostic. But speaking popularly, I think that all of us would say in regard to those gods that we were Atheists. In regard to the Christian God, I should, I think, take exactly the same line"


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/17/2021 11:46 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Those of us who have spent much time in the world of spiritual make-believe have eventually seen the childishness of it. This dream world has been replaced by a great sense of purpose, accompanied by a growing consciousness of the power of God in our lives. We have come to believe He would like us to keep our heads in the clouds with Him, but that our feet ought to be firmly planted on earth. That is where our fellow travelers are, and that is where our work must be done.
Cute little speechy weetchy you got going there.....but I've heard that spin too many times not to recognize it......Page 31 of the AA manual............Sounds surprisingly like the JW manual and the Catholic manual and the Lutheran manual......etc........It's all the same, pretending to have found the REAL.spiritual truth......Please...


MrsJoe 76F
17401 posts
8/18/2021 12:11 am

While the KJV only uses the word intelligence a couple of times, and it may not even have the same connotation as we use the word today, the Bible does have much to say about and encourages knowledge, learning, and wisdom. I would say that is just another way to say using intelligence.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


TxJW006 81M

8/18/2021 2:34 am

Does all of it mean ----if I piss into the wind and It blows back on me-----it's not a miracle???????????????????
Party On!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 7:54 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    On awakening let us think about the twenty-four hours ahead. ... Before we begin, we ask God to direct our thinking, especially asking that it be divorced from self-pity, dishonest or self seeking motives. Under these conditions we can employ our mental faculties with assurance, for after all God gave us brains to use.
Ok.....I get it, you think the AA manual is "Gospel"?........


Archer62 83F
7096 posts
8/18/2021 8:02 am

OF COURSE NOT. THE WHOLE MYTH OF ADAM AND EVE IS THAT THEY WERE PUNISHED FOR ACQUIRING KNOWLEDGE. AND LATER ON DID SOMEONE NOT PRAISE THE SIMPLE OF MIND? INTELLIGENCE MEANS QUESTIONING AND WE KNOW THAT CAN BE RISKY.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 8:05 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    While the KJV only uses the word intelligence a couple of times, and it may not even have the same connotation as we use the word today, the Bible does have much to say about and encourages knowledge, learning, and wisdom. I would say that is just another way to say using intelligence.
We got the AA manual and now we get the KJV manual.......Sure.......here we go .."The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge"......." The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—"......."Teach me knowledge and good judgment, for I trust your commands."......and so on and so forth......


MrsJoe 76F
17401 posts
8/18/2021 8:20 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    We got the AA manual and now we get the KJV manual.......Sure.......here we go .."The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge"......." The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—"......."Teach me knowledge and good judgment, for I trust your commands."......and so on and so forth......
I was simply responding to the assertion in the blog that there was no praise for intelligence in the Bible by mentioning there is for the same thing without using the word. That's all. Perhaps it's better if I don't even respond to your blogs of this kind.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 8:40 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I was simply responding to the assertion in the blog that there was no praise for intelligence in the Bible by mentioning there is for the same thing without using the word. That's all. Perhaps it's better if I don't even respond to your blogs of this kind.
And I was giving you examples of how the words "learning, knowledge and wisdom" are used in the KJV..... not as intelligence, but as obedience to the rules imposed by self-proclaimed prophets of an imaginary deity........You made a vague claim without any evidence/examples.....how did you think an Atheist would respond?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 8:55 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Obviously, I am a long time XII Stepper thus use the principles and concepts that I learned through out the years and they work out well for me. Thinking devoid of thinking, especially asking that it be divorced from self-pity, dishonest or self seeking motives works out well for atheists as well as theists, agnostics and deists.
But what does it have to do with the price of tea in China?....


MrsJoe 76F
17401 posts
8/18/2021 8:57 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    And I was giving you examples of how the words "learning, knowledge and wisdom" are used in the KJV..... not as intelligence, but as obedience to the rules imposed by self-proclaimed prophets of an imaginary deity........You made a vague claim without any evidence/examples.....how did you think an Atheist would respond?


Touché! Smiling. I guess we each respond according to our beliefs and views. I do believe that the Bible doesn't only refer to spiritual learning, but to learning of all kinds. But that is my point of view.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 9:18 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    On awakening let us think about the twenty-four hours ahead. ... Before we begin, we ask God to direct our thinking, especially asking that it be divorced from self-pity, dishonest or self seeking motives. Under these conditions we can employ our mental faculties with assurance, for after all God gave us brains to use.
You should have met my friend Wendy......she passed a decade ago.....from her liver.....A relentless AA evangelist.......as bad as my JW sisters......LOL....she thought that AA principals should be applied to any and every situation....Peer reviewed research shows that AA has only a 5 to 10% success rate.......

I understand that those who have managed to control their addictions using the AA protocol feel a certain loyalty to the organization, but it says nothing interesting or useful to me........and certainly has nothing to do with this blog.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 9:23 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Touché! Smiling. I guess we each respond according to our beliefs and views. I do believe that the Bible doesn't only refer to spiritual learning, but to learning of all kinds. But that is my point of view.

What You could give us actual examples of the Bible referring to "general learning of all kinds" What is your point of view based on exactly?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 9:50 am

    Quoting  :

Take your feud somewhere else...my delete finger's getting mighty itchy.


DeeMarie33345 67F

8/18/2021 11:47 am

Give Panther Some Prozac


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/18/2021 3:44 pm

    Quoting Archer62:
    OF COURSE NOT. THE WHOLE MYTH OF ADAM AND EVE IS THAT THEY WERE PUNISHED FOR ACQUIRING KNOWLEDGE. AND LATER ON DID SOMEONE NOT PRAISE THE SIMPLE OF MIND? INTELLIGENCE MEANS QUESTIONING AND WE KNOW THAT CAN BE RISKY.
Exactly........good points.....


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
8/18/2021 6:11 pm

- INTELLIGENCE MEANS QUESTIONING -

There's questioning and there's questioning - 'thinking within a fixed circle of one's ideas tends to restrict the questions to a limited field. And if one's questions stay in a limited field, so also do the answers' David Bohm

Erik Rittenberry's 'Rethinking the Creation Story' is an insightful slant on the Garden of Eden/Adam & Eve.




sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/19/2021 8:47 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    MrsJoe - I don't think she is looking for an answer so much as she is a debate.
Of course I'm not looking for an answer, since I didn't pose a question......your comments on this blog don't seem to have any bearing on the subject......and if you think I'm looking for a debate, your comments still don't apply......Why would you quote AA literature without including the source......?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/19/2021 8:59 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Thomas Jefferson says it best. Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear”
    Thomas Jefferson

    Personally, I see the bible as a combination of history, mythology and a few truths. I certainly don't believe that Jonah was swallowed by a whale and survived nor do I believe that Noah rode around in an Ark with a bunch of animals for 40 days. Still that doesn't rule out the existence of a Higher Power. Folks will base their concept of God or No God on their families, community, and culture.
The premise of this blog is that the Gospel doesn't praise intelligence.......Not once in your 7 posts did you address that........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/19/2021 9:14 am

    Quoting lilium6:
    - INTELLIGENCE MEANS QUESTIONING -

    There's questioning and there's questioning - 'thinking within a fixed circle of one's ideas tends to restrict the questions to a limited field. And if one's questions stay in a limited field, so also do the answers' David Bohm

    Erik Rittenberry's 'Rethinking the Creation Story' is an insightful slant on the Garden of Eden/Adam & Eve.



The term "Gospel" is antithetical to questioning......it literally means something that is accepted or promoted as infallible.......The Gospel promotes circular thinking.....


TxJW007 81M

8/26/2021 2:08 pm

I vaguely remember someone quoting the good book where Jesus said all who preached before him were false profits.------- or something to that effect. All mankind was to follow him.

When I read that--- I thought ----Then Moses was a false profit???????????
The TEN COMMANDMENTS which he brought forth & taught (old testament)
was established by multiple or a singular false profit making them irrelevant?????????????????????