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sparkleflit 76F
5179 posts
3/6/2020 12:58 pm
DANCING WITH THE IMPLICIT


Science and society has a bias towards the explicit, because when you're working with other people, it's really helpful to be able to express your understanding. Otherwise, how do we come together to create a set of norms or build a consensus about norms....about having a good and peaceful society.So there is this bias just from us being social creatures.

sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/6/2020 1:45 pm

But that bias towards the explicit creates a problem, because there is another side, the implicit.The implicit aspect of reality often gets ignored because it is difficult to express, difficult to talk about........As is evident in the attempts that Jiminycricket and I have made over years.

My whole life, I have attempted to express the implicit in my art........Arts....be it music, writing, poetry, painting, dance.....it's all about Humanity's desire to express the implicit....the numinous.

I remember the first time I became conscious of creating imagery to evoke emotion...My grandmother made sure I was well-versed in Norwegian Troll-culture, which projected Human ideas onto Nature...as a form of expression....At 6 or 7, I could evoke fear or love or awe with my pencil...I saw it as a kind of magic...

I studied the effects of colour, of imagery, of line and proportion....I experimented.....I observed how people responded to what I created. Much of the time my work evoked feelings that people didn't like....didn't want. Sometimes those emotions were o strong that I was censored and accused and disparaged.....There is a strong rebel in me, so I persevered with my own truth.

I always had this burning desire to help Humanity .....do my little part, in creating a language of the implicit that could be taught. At least to begin to develop an alphabet...

I realized that Religion has done that ...but that it was no longer viable....that it was restricted to small boxes. I saw that especially in Christianity, probably because that's the religion I'm most familiar with. I see that religious people are even more stuck in the explicit than most. Their experience of the implicit is restricted to the very narrow confines of their religion. In fact, they have set up rules to exclude any expressions of the implicit that appear outside their box.......
Society is made up of factions...in-groups and out-groups, where the expressions of the numinous are confined .......My little dream of an international language of the implicit that will ameliorate understanding between factions has gone the way of my father's dream of the same implicit desire manifested in the conception of Esperanto......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/7/2020 7:31 am

Well, join the fray...Thank You..

See your response post to me about Sherlock Holmes, and this post .. make sense, to me, as to the subject we are trying to discuss.

Even though i believe you to be more explicitly implicit than I.. we are now rowing the same boat., as my idea has less to do with the right or wrong of it. Just the IT of it.

Now lets talk communication.. with this post you have now fallen into my abyss. where answers don't matter just questions.

So when I say people don't get it....this kind of post, will let you know what i actually mean by it. because most here will not "get it"

Let me give you some advice..when you actually speak to me .. you leave a whole lot of other people out.. If that matters to you..You need to change your ways..
Because what you write need to matter to You....and Not what someone else thinks..

What you talked about "evoking" in your art. It's not about that..It's about transference and transformation.."Evoking" well, that's just explicitly implicit. You aren't the ONE DOING the "evoking".. the art is.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/7/2020 9:35 am

Yes, of course, the art is what's doing the evoking.......I took it very personally though, because the anger, outrage and judgement were directed at me.....they didn't distinguish between the art and the artist.....and I could not understand it..I saw it as a massive failure......I see now that my art raises challenging emotions ......I don't know how to be authentic any other way, so I just stopped.......It's a great sorrow to me.
and
I recently joined a group of painters that meet every Friday for 4 hours and paint water-colours sitting at tables..all retirees who have never been interested in art their whole lives and now have taken up painting as a hobby.....all of them are painting from photos...they were flabbergasted that I didn't....they kept asking me where my photo is......They go to workshops to learn how to make their paintings more like the photos.....and all the photos are safe, conventional, middle-distance, middle tones, pretty, expected......bland.....

I tried to light a fire under them a few times and was lectured like a child. They know that I've been showing and selling my whole life, but don't respect my work because it isn't conventional.....All I did was, for instance, suggest that we set up a "still life" sometime and they told me firmly that it wasn't a class. I said that I wasn't suggesting a class, just a group exercise...but no....When a couple of women complained that their painting was stiff, I suggested an exercise from a workshop I had designed and taught to children....where I tape huge pieces of paper to the wall and use large brushes and liquid paint and there is music and we do loosening up exercise and we paint with our whole bodies.......They were horrified......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/7/2020 1:47 pm

Consider this.. the idea of evoking a response.. Is not about the KIND of response you evoke.
In this case you evoked an undesired response...Sometimes that doesn't have to be taken personal or as unsuccessful
It would seem to me.. The transference.... and transformation put into your particular art piece.. was fully successful..even if it's not the response you want..
Even bad art..that is explicitly bad..can be implicitly successful.
Have faith (like in the "art" of computers).. .. that opening a window, automatically opens a mind, or someone wouldn't bother to open it.