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sparkleflit 76F
4954 posts
9/25/2017 2:52 pm
Another View of NFL Kneeling.........


Scott Gilmore in Maclean's (Canadian news magazine)

I try not to be cynical. But weeks like this make it hard.
On Friday night, President Trump traveled down to Huntsville, Ala., for a campaign rally. Standing on stage, he paused mid-ramble, and struck his “Il Duce” pose: both hands gripping the lectern, his chin lifted up and to the right, lips pursed and heavy lids. He had important things to say.
A cataclysmic hurricane has left over three million Americans in Puerto Rico without power and water. The government of North Korea just declared a nuclear attack on the U.S. is “inevitable.” A new health care bill is being pushed through Congress that would uninsure tens of millions of people. Multiple investigations are uncovering more and more evidence of Russian intervention in the U.S. election. Nazis are a thing again.
But the president wanted to talk about football. He said, “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ ”
Judging from the cheering crowd, this was a popular opinion.
Trump was talking about football players who have been taking a knee during the Star-Spangled Banner to protest racism in America. This has turned into a controversial issue. Owners, fans, and other players have called it inappropriate, disloyal, ungrateful and unpatriotic.
Ironically, even just a few years ago these words would have applied to the entire league. Because standing for the national anthem is a new thing. Players and coaches used to stay in the locker room or sit on the sidelines.
This changed in 2009, because the Pentagon had a problem. The military had failed to meet its recruitment targets for years, largely because joining the armed forces all but guaranteed a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan to join in wars that that had been burning since 2001 with few obvious victories to show for it. Even with high unemployment rates, finding more young men to fight these unpopular wars was a struggle. What’s worse, by the military’s own estimate, only one per cent of Americans are fit enough, educated enough, and inclined to put on a uniform. So where do you find these folks? At football games.
Therefore the Pentagon began paying the NFL to help its recruitment efforts. It brought vets on the field, added flags, F-15s flew over, military bands played in the stands, and the owners were asked to trot out the players for the anthem. It’s marketing 101—if your favourite sports star is saluting Old Glory, you’re more likely to sign on the line which is dotted. And, guess what? It worked. That year the forces met their recruitment targets for the first time in years.
Since then, according to a recent Senate report, the Department of Defense has spent $53 million for patriotic displays at sporting events, including one at a Seattle Seahawks game where 10 soldiers re-enlisted on the field during a pre-game show.
Meanwhile, social media began to expand. Twitter users increased from 30 million in 2009 to 328 million today. This brought us memes, cute cats, and cops killing unarmed black men. To be fair, this had been happening for decades. In fact, in the 1970s, by some estimates, cops were shooting 10 times as many people. But they weren’t being filmed doing it, and those clips weren’t being transmitted into our pockets.
But now we’re watching the bloodshed on a daily basis, and we’re watching one officer after another being exonerated. Like the cop who said, “I’m gonna kill this motherf–ker.” Then killed him. Then planted a gun. Then was acquitted anyway last week.
And now a man who started his career by banning blacks from his rental properties is president. And Friday night, down in Alabama, a state that only stopped lynching blacks in 1981, he held a rally with white people, angrily denouncing “ungrateful” blacks. We used to call that a Klan rally, which is probably why the KKK are such enthusiastic supporters of Trump.
So, how is it possible to not be cynical? How can you know any of this, and not give up on it all? Endless wars. Racism. Institutionalized injustice. Greed. Ignorance. And that is just from unpacking one thread of one speech by one politician.
Maybe this is what you have to do: focus on the guys kneeling. In this whole ugly, sprawling mess, the only people who are not acting out of self-interest, who are trying to make things better, to make things a little more just, are the guys on their knee. And today, the day after the president denounced them as sons of bitches, there are more of them than there were yesterday. So, maybe there’s hope. It would be nice to think so.



sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/25/2017 6:22 pm

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bijou624

9/25/2017 11:42 pm

Excellent article. If it wasn't for military recruitment purposes there would be no flags or singing of the National Anthem at all these sporting events. While Trump will probably be written about in the history books as the worst president in history, Kaepernik will be written about as a great athlete, courageous civil rights hero, and philanthropist who donated millions to charity.

The owners of these sports teams are hypocrites....most of them donated to Trump's campaign knowing what a horrible person he is, yet they stand up there yesterday with their players locking arms or kneeling pretending they are not racists. And why don't any of them hire Kaepernik when all he did was quietly and respectfully kneel to bring attention to the dismal situation black men face every day at the hands of the police?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 12:30 am

    Quoting  :

Do you also have an opinion as to what they should be praying to?..........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 12:33 am

    Quoting dinty3:
    I agree deborah
It's against the law for an employer to require an employee to perform Religious rituals.......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 12:35 am

    Quoting  :

Yes, I thought the Military recruitment aspect needed airing....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 12:44 am

    Quoting  :

Thing is, Bigblock, Trump's asinine comments caused the whole thing to snowball and more and more players and teams and their employers are now siding with the protesters........The peaceful protesters......Even a Nascar driver......LOL......Donnie Johnnie Trump needs to learn the difference between a Reality show and a Rally.show.....


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
9/26/2017 12:48 am

    Quoting  :

You can tell yourself anything you wish, try to justify anything you wish...but only if you ignore one simple fact...

Freedom of speech is not "granted" by any Constitution, State, Country or Government in the world. It exists solely by virtue of our being Human.
That is why the phrase " Congress shall make no law abridging your right to freedom of speech" exists. Simply because, without freedom of speech, and other social freedoms, politics and governments would not exist. Voting is basically our human rights in action. THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

The act of expressing peaceful protest is our Human Right... a right that cannot be taken from us. That's what these men are doing...peaceful protest.

The fact that you do not agree with it, is neither here nor there...peaceful protest is legal protest. You can call them by all the nasty names under the sun...but you cannot deny them their rights...because if you do, then you have to deny your own rights too. Because they make you angry...is no reason to attack them.

When all's said and done...their protest is much better than the violent attacks and the hysteria of other events. It is also more legal.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
9/26/2017 1:01 am


Sparkle. I agree with ET and Bijou, thank you! Sheer bliss to read some common sense!

I will never understand how some Americans think their government actually creates their human rights...instead of those rights creating government!
And then they wonder why we call them ignorant.


brightsmile003B 84F

9/26/2017 6:08 am

Thanks for sharing this article. It is true that the NFL was used for recruitment purposes.. I love my country and the flag. I have had many of my people fight and die for the flag and what it stands for. This is what the kneeling is about....LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL........folks its not about the flag. Its about RACISM in this country.

There is an old saying that my grandmother taught me..........." there are none so blind as those who refuse to see"

Thanks for sharing this.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 2:23 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I speak from the prospective of someone who participates in peaceful protesting. It is not done because of a lack of patriotism or a lack of love for our country. It is done because we love our country and want to make it better for our children, grandchildren and future generations. The only time I watch football is at Super Bowl parties but I absolutely back the football players who take the knee in the name of Racial Justice and the NFL should too.
Well, Trump sure knows how to pivot.....He managed to distract a lot of people from his failures.......I don't understand why all these people don't get that the protest is about Racial Justice and does not signal lack of gratitude or love of country........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 2:25 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    You can tell yourself anything you wish, try to justify anything you wish...but only if you ignore one simple fact...

    Freedom of speech is not "granted" by any Constitution, State, Country or Government in the world. It exists solely by virtue of our being Human.
    That is why the phrase " Congress shall make no law abridging your right to freedom of speech" exists. Simply because, without freedom of speech, and other social freedoms, politics and governments would not exist. Voting is basically our human rights in action. THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

    The act of expressing peaceful protest is our Human Right... a right that cannot be taken from us. That's what these men are doing...peaceful protest.

    The fact that you do not agree with it, is neither here nor there...peaceful protest is legal protest. You can call them by all the nasty names under the sun...but you cannot deny them their rights...because if you do, then you have to deny your own rights too. Because they make you angry...is no reason to attack them.

    When all's said and done...their protest is much better than the violent attacks and the hysteria of other events. It is also more legal.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 2:29 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I prefer not to frame support in terms of patriotism or try to define patriotism is and isn't. I prefer a clearer focus on structural violence and injustice. The patriotism shifts focus to the flag, away from lived realities.

    I certainly support the athletes in their effort to kneel for racial justice but I would have never gotten away with wearing a pink pussy hat when I was cashiering at Wal-Mart. (They DID let us use the parking lot to park our cars and meet the Rally Bus to D.C.)

    On the other hand, Wal-Mart never did make me do that Wal-Mart Cheer. I attended the meetings and let everyone else do it.
Love your first paragraph.....Right on!....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 2:34 pm

    Quoting brightsmile003B:
    Thanks for sharing this article. It is true that the NFL was used for recruitment purposes.. I love my country and the flag. I have had many of my people fight and die for the flag and what it stands for. This is what the kneeling is about....LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL........folks its not about the flag. Its about RACISM in this country.

    There is an old saying that my grandmother taught me..........." there are none so blind as those who refuse to see"

    Thanks for sharing this.
Yeah, I don't get why so many people keep going to the flag thing, even though the protesters themselves keep telling them it's about Social Justice.......Seems like they choose to misunderstand in order to justify their anger and outrage to themselves and others.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2017 2:58 pm

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Trump sure knows how to fire up his base emotionally in order to distract from his own failures......Whenever he blows on the emotional flames of his base, there is always some negative issue that he created that he wants to distract them from........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/28/2017 10:30 am

    Quoting dinty3:
    Ahhhh Grounds in your coffee and wildfire smoke clouding your brain.
    So it is the employer that is requiring the employees(players) to protest.
    I forgot you were an atheist, when judgement day comes you should have an air conditioner handy, it's going to be warm where you are going.
Your hallucinations are no concern to me......There isn't now or ever has been any evidence for "Judgement Day, Hell, Hellfire, Heaven, God, Jesus, Allah,
Thor, or any of the many imaginary dictators in the sky that Humans have created in order to allay their childish fears.......Religion was made up by Humans when we were in the childhood of our development as a species......when Man needed to make sense of the World.....when the cause of disease was thought to be demons and the Earth was the centre of the universe. Even most Christians these days don't believe in Hellfire......The idea of an all-loving god who threatens eternal torture if you don't bow to him is seen as a contradiction to most Christians these days.

You apparently don't understand what it means to be a non-believer in your delusion......threatening a non-believer with Hell fire, is like me threatening you with my huge, vicious, non-existent dog..............


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/29/2017 11:37 am

    Quoting  :

What kind of Christian are you, that you think that the relationship between the Catholic Church and it's priests is that of employer and employee?

I do agree with you on one point though, that churches should be paying taxes like other businesses.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/30/2017 12:30 pm

    Quoting  :

I haven't made any notes on the exact time and place that you have stated that you are a Christian, but you have made it clear on many occasions.

If the Catholic Church is considered to be an employer and the priests, employees,
then the churches would be taxable.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/1/2017 1:16 pm

    Quoting  :

You may not have "professed", but you have made it clear in blogs, comments, politics and your associates.Just as one example of the kind of political opinions you have stated in blogs and comments that indicate to me that you are indeed a Christian is the following from a recent blog.....

"Understand Jesus was not a Democrat. Jesus wasn’t into politics, but if he was, he wouldn’t be a Democrat. Here’s why: Jesus wouldn’t be an environmentalist because that would break his First Commandment. And Hollywood idol worship would break his second. The Third Commandment would’ve stopped him from booing at the DNC Convention. And being pro-choice would break the sixth. You get my point. Implying that Jesus was a liberal is what happens when you contort the Bible to fit your politics rather than form your politics based on Biblical values. "

I can't think of anyone who is not a Christian posting that titbit.........And if you are not a Religious, practising Christian, you are certainly a cultural and political Christian whose politics are in line with the most devoutly Religious on this site

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sparkleflit 76F
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10/1/2017 7:40 pm

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So you're denying you're a Christian?....Everyone who read that opinion on someone's blog would assume the poster is Christian.....So are you denying that you are Christian?.......Why so cagey about your beliefs......you are so weird.......behind that pedantic white-bread facade, you are a roiling mass of contradiction?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/2/2017 6:07 pm

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"Run along, now, you're dismissed"?......To post that on someone else's blog,
instead of choosing to stay away says a lot about you.......Actually, it defines you.