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MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
4/28/2019 12:36 pm

Unions performed a great service for the working people, DECADES AGO... then they simply became a business to raise money for lobbyists and the higher echelons of the unions. Unions make it almost impossible to fire lazy, nonproductive employees.
One of the biggest factories in our area "broke" the union hold in their factory years ago during a nasty strike. Most of the rank and file workers were ok with the union not being "in control" anymore.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


dusty117 73M

4/28/2019 2:33 pm

Right to work law benefits FREELOADERS who get to work under the umbrella of a union contract without paying dues.


MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
4/28/2019 3:44 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Right to work law benefits FREELOADERS who get to work under the umbrella of a union contract without paying dues.
I don't find that to be true in our area. We have many factories that are not union, and they do not work under any umbrella of a union contract in other factories.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


dusty117 73M

4/28/2019 3:58 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I don't find that to be true in our area. We have many factories that are not union, and they do not work under any umbrella of a union contract in other factories.
MsJoe, I've read your two posts and I'll bet a weeks pay you've never been associated with a labor union or if you have been associated with a labor union it didn't end well for you.

As far as "right to work" I suggest you do some research ..


MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
4/28/2019 4:42 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    MsJoe, I've read your two posts and I'll bet a weeks pay you've never been associated with a labor union or if you have been associated with a labor union it didn't end well for you.

    As far as "right to work" I suggest you do some research ..
My first husband was a union worker, a welder at a Caterpillar Tractor factory. He also missed a lot of work. He called in one night, and his supervisor took the call in slip and it disappeared. He was terminated, which did not upset him all that much.
The local union called him to come into the office so they could get his job back for him. He was NOT a good employee, but the union said they would get his job back for him, no matter if it meant work stoppage. He did not want his job back, but because he was a union worker, they would have made the factory take him back.
The next time he worked as a union worker, he was in a nonproduction position and many of the production workers were women. Many of them had husbands who worked in other good paying jobs, so they voted to strike every time there was a new contract. As they said, they could use a little vacation..... the members who were sole support to their families suffered the consequences. The last contract the union bartered was less than six months old when the company announced it was selling out to a foreign business and they would not be keeping any of the employees. The union stewards said they had known about it for months!
We once had a nursing home where the staff listened to a union organizer and voted to bring the union in...... until they realized that if the union and the home could not come to an agreement, they were expected to not go to work. Most of them said they would not leave the elderly uncared for, and voted that union out at the first possible opportunity.
So no, my experiences with the unions have not been the best.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
4/28/2019 4:47 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    MsJoe, I've read your two posts and I'll bet a weeks pay you've never been associated with a labor union or if you have been associated with a labor union it didn't end well for you.

    As far as "right to work" I suggest you do some research ..
My daughter worked for a company that went into factories to inspect it and find out why the factory was turning out so many parts that were rejected by the buyers. Those factories were in the automotive parts chain, and were union.
The workers didn't care. They told my daughter it didn't matter to them whether the parts were good or not. They got paid the same wages, and their jobs were secure.
Oh, and in our area..... every time the big union factories got more benefits and much higher wages, the prices of things and services went up. For instance, health care.
As I said, the unions had their good points, in the beginning.... but now they are simply a big business.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
4/28/2019 4:53 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    MsJoe, I've read your two posts and I'll bet a weeks pay you've never been associated with a labor union or if you have been associated with a labor union it didn't end well for you.

    As far as "right to work" I suggest you do some research ..
I understand what you are saying about workers who do not join a union in a union shop workplace. I do agree that if it is a union ship workplace, as voted in by a majority of the workers, then all the workers should have to join the union..... or work somewhere else.
I just don't think unions are the greatest thing since sliced bread.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


TxJW16 81M

4/29/2019 9:32 am

One of my sons worked in a unionized company from college graduation until he retired last year. It was a great job made better by the union.

After retiring last year he went to another unionized company (doing the same thing). He now has great retirement pay PLUS the high union pay at the other place.

He is doing well, not complaining & would not have it any other way.

He does say it beats the heck out of a walmart or amazon career..LOL

Party On!


TxJW16 81M

4/29/2019 9:43 am

Rock you preferred to work in a non union low pay place because a union official would make more money than (YOU) think he should?

Every capitalist employer knows worker jealousy keeps them in the poor house going nowhere. LOL
Party On!


dusty117 73M

4/29/2019 12:09 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Unions performed a great service for the working people, DECADES AGO... then they simply became a business to raise money for lobbyists and the higher echelons of the unions. Unions make it almost impossible to fire lazy, nonproductive employees.
    One of the biggest factories in our area "broke" the union hold in their factory years ago during a nasty strike. Most of the rank and file workers were ok with the union not being "in control" anymore.
MsJoe you say Unions "simply became a business to raise money for lobbyists and the higher echelons of the unions". That's ridiculous … Labor Unions created the middle class in the USA. The USA was great when more people made a living wage. Labor Unions are the only group that has actively fought against outsourcing for the last 60 years.

You sound like Limbaugh, Hannity and Republicans in general as they cheer leaded the outsourcing of jobs to low wage nations .. in the name of free market.

When Labor Unions were strong America was strong.

And by the way regarding your union busting .. rank and file workers who have some years vested in pensions typically aren't ok with the union not being "in control" anymore. Your information is fake.


dusty117 73M

4/29/2019 3:31 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I understand what you are saying about workers who do not join a union in a union shop workplace. I do agree that if it is a union ship workplace, as voted in by a majority of the workers, then all the workers should have to join the union..... or work somewhere else.
    I just don't think unions are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Then you are in agreement with Kamala Harris.


TxJW16 81M

4/30/2019 8:52 am

Rock I didn't just run a business. I was sole owner.

Before that I worked for unionized General Motors, a unionized aircraft manufacturer and another non union engineering business.

I know all three sides of the argument here.

The non union corporation I worked for raised workers pay significantly (approx. 20 when the employees were to vote on union organization.-------Thus the union did not get voted in. THAT SITUATION is proof of how unions raised middle class pay-----including the pay of NON UNION CORPORATIONS. (Like Dusty is saying.)
Been there done that!

A small business is forced to hold its pay scale as close as it can to the corporate unionized level in order to avoid loosing its better motivated employees to the larger unionized establishments.----THUS--- like Dusty is saying---middle class pay is raised to a higher level by unions. The lower unmotivated employees will stay for low pay at their on detriment.

No cut & paste. I wrote it the way I lived it. LOL
Party On!