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bigblock46 73M
10943 posts
3/18/2019 4:33 am
SFFs liberals Tolerant, No I don't think So


For centuries, we have associated the word “liberal” with open-mindedness. Liberals were people who were supposed to be tolerant and fair and who wanted to give all sides a hearing. They cared about everyone, not just their own kind.

Sadly, the kind of liberalism we used to know is fast disappearing from America. While the intolerance of the far right is well known, its manifestations on the far left are less known and often not fully acknowledged.

All too often, people who call themselves progressive liberals are at the forefront of movements to shut down debates on college campuses and to restrict freedom of speech. They are eager to cut corners, bend the Constitution, make up laws through questionable court rulings, and generally abuse the rules and the Constitution in order to get their way.

They are supposedly great haters of bigotry but sometimes speak of Christians in the most bigoted manner imaginable, as if Christians were no better than fascists. American liberals are, in short, becoming increasingly illiberal. They are surrendering to the temptations of the closed mind.

We have been invaded here at SFF with what is called illiberalism. Conservatives are called idiots, Dunces, Fraud, nincompoop, non-college educated white males, radical, and the favorite of so many RACIST. I personally have been attacked over "my upbringing". Exhibit 1:
'Your inability to recognize any of this should should cause some consternation over your upbringing. It appears your parents spent their parenting time pouring false or misleading information into your consciousness rather than forcing you to actually think about issues and arrive at a cogent position." To attempt to set this person straight, first off you know nothing of my upbringing or of the things I was taught by my parents. I was taught not to make accusations I have no evidence of.

A note to those who have participated in this behavior, I hope you recognize yourself. I said I would not name names.

bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 4:34 am

Just venting and hopefully open a few eyes.


sandy2020 77F
159 posts
3/18/2019 4:55 am

Liberals are, for the most part, very tolerant... but there is always a limit to how far we will bend before we scream 'ENOUGH'!

When you nominate and elect a 'thing' like Trump to be your President you have gone beyond the limit ...he's an abomination to the human race!


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 5:10 am

    Quoting sandy2020:
    Liberals are, for the most part, very tolerant... but there is always a limit to how far we will bend before we scream 'ENOUGH'!

    When you nominate and elect a 'thing' like Trump to be your President you have gone beyond the limit ...he's an abomination to the human race!
Your last comment shows your intolerance. I could have said the same thing about Obama but You would have called me a racist.

A protester storming a stage and refusing to let someone speak is intolerant. So, too, are campus speech codes that restrict freedom of expression. A city official threatening to fine a pastor for declining to marry a gay couple is every bit as intolerant as a right-winger wanting to punish gays with sodomy laws.

it wasn't that long ago that the University of California, Berkeley, canceled a lecture by the conservative commentator Ann Coulter due to concerns for her safety—just two months after uninviting the conservative writer Milo Yiannopoulos due to violent protests.


Rentier2 74M
328 posts
3/18/2019 5:31 am

I recognize myself and stand by my beliefs.

You are a low class, uneducated bigot.


sandy2020 77F
159 posts
3/18/2019 5:47 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Your last comment shows your intolerance. I could have said the same thing about Obama but You would have called me a racist.

    A protester storming a stage and refusing to let someone speak is intolerant. So, too, are campus speech codes that restrict freedom of expression. A city official threatening to fine a pastor for declining to marry a gay couple is every bit as intolerant as a right-winger wanting to punish gays with sodomy laws.

    it wasn't that long ago that the University of California, Berkeley, canceled a lecture by the conservative commentator Ann Coulter due to concerns for her safety—just two months after uninviting the conservative writer Milo Yiannopoulos due to violent protests.
I will admit to having a short fuse when it comes to idiots and you sure have a lot of them in your country. Now if you wish to class yourself with them that's your prerogative, but my assessment remains the same.


MrsJoe 71F
10493 posts
3/18/2019 6:27 am

BB, this will be a blog to nowhere. I believe that folks our age will probably never change their views and to argue them is fruitless for everyone, except to generate strife, which some seem to enjoy.

For me to be upset by your criticism, I must first value your opinion.


oldsailor1313 59M
10 posts
3/18/2019 7:03 am

    Quoting sandy2020:
    I will admit to having a short fuse when it comes to idiots and you sure have a lot of them in your country. Now if you wish to class yourself with them that's your prerogative, but my assessment remains the same.
You need to stay out of "AMERICAN" politics and worry about your own country. I am a proud TRUMP supporter and I will do my best to help him get re-elected in 2020.


sandy2020 77F
159 posts
3/18/2019 7:14 am

    Quoting oldsailor1313:
    You need to stay out of "AMERICAN" politics and worry about your own country. I am a proud TRUMP supporter and I will do my best to help him get re-elected in 2020.
You need to educate yourself ... if you and the rest of the Trump supporters had done that I wouldn't have to!


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 8:00 am

    Quoting sandy2020:
    You need to educate yourself ... if you and the rest of the Trump supporters had done that I wouldn't have to!
Who is to say your education is right, other than a intolerant group of liberals


sandy2020 77F
159 posts
3/18/2019 8:58 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Who is to say your education is right, other than a intolerant group of liberals
Have a look at the statistics on education BB then maybe you might see things differently. You should be in the top 3 but you aren't... you're No. 14... that's deplorable. Even Canada beat you out... we are a lowly 7th.

America isn't the BEST at anything these days except for killing... you do excel at that... and also the most prisons and prisoners and most of them are black... so you are still racial experts as well... oh and drug addiction ... need I go on?


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3651 posts
3/18/2019 9:25 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    BB, this will be a blog to nowhere. I believe that folks our age will probably never change their views and to argue them is fruitless for everyone, except to generate strife, which some seem to enjoy.
well said mrs joe

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


dusty117 68M
795 posts
3/18/2019 10:06 am

Block you're confused. First off stop hanging labels on people. Try getting rid of the word 'liberal' and the word 'conservative' and just deal with the politics case by case, Republican and Democrat.

Liberals aren't necessarily all the things you say they are and lets face it, conservatives don't conserve anything.

So case by case .. I oppose Trump because I believe he's a thief and I know he's a racist and I know he's an ass. It's got nothing liberal vs conservative.

College education for another example .. I got two years of free college education from my local community college in the 60s. If they could do it then why can't they do it now?


Rich1937 81M
6406 posts
3/18/2019 10:18 am

I agree with Pat and seek. These liberal/socialists were indoctrinated too long ago to ever change. They ignore reason and logic and will not investigate the truth for themselves. I will require a Saul of Tarsus experience for them to realize they have been duped by choosing to listen only to selfish leaders who care nothing for them. These people have amassed great wealth from such fools who continue to blindly worship them who can only continue to parrot misinformation,

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


dusty117 68M
795 posts
3/18/2019 10:20 am

    Quoting oldsailor1313:
    You need to stay out of "AMERICAN" politics and worry about your own country. I am a proud TRUMP supporter and I will do my best to help him get re-elected in 2020.
Sandy has every right to write about American politics.

As far as politics of other countries is concerned .. you're the one who needs to stay out of the politics of other countries. Stay out of Mexico's business for example. You voted to have Mexico pay your bills.


bob77O21__ 75M
8247 posts
3/18/2019 11:07 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Sandy has every right to write about American politics.

    As far as politics of other countries is concerned .. you're the one who needs to stay out of the politics of other countries. Stay out of Mexico's business for example. You voted to have Mexico pay your bills.
Sandy has the right to write about the politics of American (USA) but bigblock needs to stay out of the politics of other countries?

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? No, of course you didn't.


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 11:32 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Block you're confused. First off stop hanging labels on people. Try getting rid of the word 'liberal' and the word 'conservative' and just deal with the politics case by case, Republican and Democrat.

    Liberals aren't necessarily all the things you say they are and lets face it, conservatives don't conserve anything.

    So case by case .. I oppose Trump because I believe he's a thief and I know he's a racist and I know he's an ass. It's got nothing liberal vs conservative.

    College education for another example .. I got two years of free college education from my local community college in the 60s. If they could do it then why can't they do it now?
I am confused, according to you I am. But I am just wondering how a person who is 68 years old as you claim got "free education" from a community college. You claim to be 68 years old. which makes you born in 1951. Adding 18 to 1951as 18 is most common age for high school graduation, which tell me you graduated high school in 1969. Either you have your dates mixed up or you are not telling the truth.

As for becoming involved in other countries politics, not me. I live in the U S not Canada or Mexico. I see you live in La La land run by Governor Newsome, Congress women Waters and Pelosi.


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 11:34 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    I recognize myself and stand by my beliefs.

    You are a low class, uneducated bigot.
Another intolerant. Of course he lives in Canada as does Sandy.


bob77O21__ 75M
8247 posts
3/18/2019 11:41 am

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    Sandy has the right to write about the politics of American (USA) but bigblock needs to stay out of the politics of other countries?

    Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? No, of course you didn't.
Sandy has the right to write about the politics of American (USA) but bigblock needs to stay out of the politics of other countries?

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? No, of course you didn't.


Please substitute oldsailor1313 for bigblock; I used the wrong name in my comment to dusty.


dusty117 68M
795 posts
3/18/2019 12:06 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    Sandy has the right to write about the politics of American (USA) but bigblock needs to stay out of the politics of other countries?

    Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? No, of course you didn't.


    Please substitute oldsailor1313 for bigblock; I used the wrong name in my comment to dusty.
You're mistake is corrected and noted boob77201.

Funny thing about it … your mistake completely invalidates your post. Do you see it, of course you don't

Writing about about foreign countries is one thing … as if that's a big deal.

Fools like you actually VOTED to extort money from Mexico to pay your bills. As I said previously Trump is a thief in my book .. he just didn't get away with it this time.


sparkleflit 71F
4178 posts
3/18/2019 12:10 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I am confused, according to you I am. But I am just wondering how a person who is 68 years old as you claim got "free education" from a community college. You claim to be 68 years old. which makes you born in 1951. Adding 18 to 1951as 18 is most common age for high school graduation, which tell me you graduated high school in 1969. Either you have your dates mixed up or you are not telling the truth.

    As for becoming involved in other countries politics, not me. I live in the U S not Canada or Mexico. I see you live in La La land run by Governor Newsome, Congress women Waters and Pelosi.
People can go to college at any age....doesn't have to be right out of high school. I have done a lot of upgrades in my life......got a portfolio of certificates from colleges and other educational facilities , like the Vancouver Justice Institute.....Continuing Education is important in keeping up with a changing world.


sparkleflit 71F
4178 posts
3/18/2019 12:17 pm

This blog illustrates why some people disagree with you.
You quote the Heritage Foundation and pretend the words are your own.....a habit of yours. The foundation, funded by Right Wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mercer, has filled the Trump government..........Perhaps if you come up with your own words to defend your position. Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either......

Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......


bob77O21__ 75M
8247 posts
3/18/2019 12:31 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    You're mistake is corrected and noted boob77201.

    Funny thing about it … your mistake completely invalidates your post. Do you see it, of course you don't

    Writing about about foreign countries is one thing … as if that's a big deal.

    Fools like you actually VOTED to extort money from Mexico to pay your bills. As I said previously Trump is a thief in my book .. he just didn't get away with it this time.
"Writing about about foreign countries is one thing … as if that's a big deal."

If it's not a big deal to you, why did you award the right to do so to sandy but deny it to another?

And, in the future, please don't act like a little child, maliciously and petulantly misspelling my handle. You might also want to learn when to use Your vs You're.


dusty117 68M
795 posts
3/18/2019 12:36 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I am confused, according to you I am. But I am just wondering how a person who is 68 years old as you claim got "free education" from a community college. You claim to be 68 years old. which makes you born in 1951. Adding 18 to 1951as 18 is most common age for high school graduation, which tell me you graduated high school in 1969. Either you have your dates mixed up or you are not telling the truth.

    As for becoming involved in other countries politics, not me. I live in the U S not Canada or Mexico. I see you live in La La land run by Governor Newsome, Congress women Waters and Pelosi.
What's so hard to understand Block? My age is 68 and I attended my local community college for two years following high school graduation … and it was free.

In California, community colleges are located in County districts. The part I don't remember is if the residency requirement was for County residents or State residents in general. But non-residents paid tuition .. and it was free to residents.

My community college isn't free anymore and I don't know when that changed. And BTW my mom attended that same community college long before I did … free of charge.


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 12:50 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    This blog illustrates why some people disagree with you.
    You quote the Heritage Foundation and pretend the words are your own.....a habit of yours. The foundation, funded by Right Wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mercer, has filled the Trump government..........Perhaps if you come up with your own words to defend your position. Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either......

    Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......
I have told you countless times if you don't like what is on my blog, DON'T READ IT. You ride my butt about what I post on my blog YET you say nothing to Leaf about all the stories he prints from the RAW STORY.

" Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either"...
My response to that is "don't flatter yourself."


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 12:56 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    This blog illustrates why some people disagree with you.
    You quote the Heritage Foundation and pretend the words are your own.....a habit of yours. The foundation, funded by Right Wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mercer, has filled the Trump government..........Perhaps if you come up with your own words to defend your position. Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either......

    Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......
Again I must correct you as to the Founders of the Heritage Foundation . Joseph Coors, Edwin Feulner and Paul Weyrich are listed as the founders


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 1:55 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    What's so hard to understand Block? My age is 68 and I attended my local community college for two years following high school graduation … and it was free.

    In California, community colleges are located in County districts. The part I don't remember is if the residency requirement was for County residents or State residents in general. But non-residents paid tuition .. and it was free to residents.

    My community college isn't free anymore and I don't know when that changed. And BTW my mom attended that same community college long before I did … free of charge.
Your original statement is as follows got two years of free college education from my local community college in the 60s. If they could do it then why can't they do it now?

Whats so hard to understand is the dates. You didn't graduate until 1969, thus making very improbable you went to college for two years in the 60s.


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/18/2019 3:08 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    This blog illustrates why some people disagree with you.
    You quote the Heritage Foundation and pretend the words are your own.....a habit of yours. The foundation, funded by Right Wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mercer, has filled the Trump government..........Perhaps if you come up with your own words to defend your position. Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either......

    Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......
"Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......"

Now if I didn't post these articles all you would get is Leafs Raw Story Or is that what you want.


sparkleflit 71F
4178 posts
3/18/2019 4:00 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    "Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......"

    Now if I didn't post these articles all you would get is Leafs Raw Story Or is that what you want.
All I would get?..........I have a bounty of sources on the internet....surely you jest.


sparkleflit 71F
4178 posts
3/18/2019 4:07 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I have told you countless times if you don't like what is on my blog, DON'T READ IT. You ride my butt about what I post on my blog YET you say nothing to Leaf about all the stories he prints from the RAW STORY.

    " Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either"...
    My response to that is "don't flatter yourself."
"Don't flatter yourself"?......You just proved that you are an ignorant pig......


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3651 posts
3/18/2019 7:23 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    This blog illustrates why some people disagree with you.
    You quote the Heritage Foundation and pretend the words are your own.....a habit of yours. The foundation, funded by Right Wing billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mercer, has filled the Trump government..........Perhaps if you come up with your own words to defend your position. Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either......

    Constantly posting articles that are extremely Right-biased to the point of propaganda might have some bearing on the response by the more liberal members......
u use left wing socialist websites . so why cant we quote right wing.

are we allowed that madam dictator

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Rich1937 81M
6406 posts
3/18/2019 10:46 pm

Lulu just proved her strong debating skills by calling someone an "ignorant pig". Such hypocrisy is a rarity.

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


Rentier2 74M
328 posts
3/19/2019 6:15 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I have told you countless times if you don't like what is on my blog, DON'T READ IT. You ride my butt about what I post on my blog YET you say nothing to Leaf about all the stories he prints from the RAW STORY.

    " Using se*ual harassment as an . argument doesn't help your case either"...
    My response to that is "don't flatter yourself."
I love your blogs!
You constantly reaffirm my belief in the Ugly American stereotype.


boogie7102 74F
503 posts
3/19/2019 7:53 am

There you have it BB, literally in a nutshell. Your point has been very well demonstrated.


bigblock46 73M
8723 posts
3/19/2019 1:21 pm

    Quoting boogie7102:
    There you have it BB, literally in a nutshell. Your point has been very well demonstrated.
Absolutely.