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bigblock46 73M
10528 posts
2/14/2019 5:41 pm
An Incredibly Elitist Proposal': Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal


Melissa Francis said she doesn't mind seeing politicians "putting aside the niceties" and stating what they actually believe, but she does have serious problems with the substance of the Green New Deal.

The proposal aims to transform the U.S. economy in a bid to combat climate change, with a primary goal of having net-zero emissions within ten .

"It is an incredibly elitist proposal would be paid for on the backs of all working people," Francis said.

She explained rising energy costs hurt everyday people who are already struggling to fuel their vehicles and their utility bills.
"And when you stand there the beginning and you say these things are mathematically and physically impossible, and will cripple the economy and hurt people, you [are told you] hate the environment.

Sen. Marsha Blackburn said the deal would decimate Tennessee's working class and gave several examples.

"FedEx would no longer exist," she said, adding it is "one of the largest employers in the state."

Blackburn said , to effect, the technology "doesn't even exist" would allow for the end of the use of fossil fuels in a decade, as the plan would direct.

"Cattle farming would no longer exist," she added.

Blackburn said the key oil refinery in Memphis would be shuttered and those employed there would be laid off under the Green New Deal.

bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/14/2019 5:42 pm

To think the people of New York voted for this ding bat.


MrsJoe 71F
10257 posts
2/14/2019 5:48 pm

She has a wide eyed pie in the sky attitude, and obviously there are some who agree with her....... but none of them are looking at the plausibility of those proposals.
I believe her pie in the sky is going to turn into pie in her eye very soon.


For me to be upset by your criticism, I must first value your opinion.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/14/2019 6:09 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    She has a wide eyed pie in the sky attitude, and obviously there are some who agree with her....... but none of them are looking at the plausibility of those proposals.
    I believe her pie in the sky is going to turn into pie in her eye very soon.
You think some magical overlord is soon going to end life on Earth and will beam you up into Paradise for eternity because it says so in some Science Fiction novels and you think the ideas about our future based on actual evidence is the pie in the sky .......


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/14/2019 6:22 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You think some magical overlord is soon going to end life on Earth and will beam you up into Paradise for eternity because it says so in some Science Fiction novels and you think the ideas about our future based on actual evidence is the pie in the sky .......
You have no evidence to back up your claims. Man does not have enough to destroy the entire planet. Despite what you think.


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/14/2019 6:31 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Sure Bigblock......but the president stealing money set aside for disaster relief for disasters actually caused by Global Warming.....that's OK......makes sense to you does it? A National Emergency at the border huh? Setting a precedent of manufacturing a National Emergency in order to appropriate funds for his pet project.....that makes sense to you?........Trump is setting a precedent that future governments could use to call, for instance, gun deaths a National Emergency and use it to confiscate guns.......Or, perhaps, the next call of National Emergency would be Global Warming........
IF you took the time to worry about what goes on in your own country, I think you would be so busy that what Mr Trump does would be of no consequence. Heres a little fact for you, China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined. Yet I don't see your complaints about that. Another little fact for you, India is the fourth highest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world. You go stick your ideas about scraping the the total economic engine of the the United States while you allow China as well as India to continue to pollute.


MrsJoe 71F
10257 posts
2/14/2019 6:42 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You think some magical overlord is soon going to end life on Earth and will beam you up into Paradise for eternity because it says so in some Science Fiction novels and you think the ideas about our future based on actual evidence is the pie in the sky .......
What in my comment brought on such a caustic attack from you on what you perceive my personal beliefs to be?

For me to be upset by your criticism, I must first value your opinion.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3516 posts
2/14/2019 7:08 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    What in my comment brought on such a caustic attack from you on what you perceive my personal beliefs to be?
mrs joe, don't react or reply to lulu.

she is a lost soul.

she like other none believers will see for them selves.

OUR LORD AND SAVIOR WILL APPEAR AN JUDGEMENT DAY WILL BE OVER

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


bob77O21__ 75M
8217 posts
2/14/2019 7:21 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    What in my comment brought on such a caustic attack from you on what you perceive my personal beliefs to be?
Could it be because she's such a caustic person?


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/14/2019 7:23 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    What in my comment brought on such a caustic attack from you on what you perceive my personal beliefs to be?
SIZE 3]I don't see my comment as any more of a "caustic attack" than your comment is on AOC's ideas.

Your comment ,on YaYa's horrifically cynical blog.....you know, the one with the fantastically demented illustration that I suppose is meant to depict the devil......says "Have long understood that we are living in the "last days" as predicted, and conditions in our society keeps emphasizing it very strongly. This article just condenses it very pointedly. "

That comment harkens me back to a couple of years ago when you were both very taken with the Sci-Fi series about End Times and Tribulation, discussing the fictional books.......very badly written books......as if they were actual reality.....

So when you call ideas that are designed to deal with the actual realities of the Earth pie in the sky and unrealistic, I cant................


MrsJoe 71F
10257 posts
2/14/2019 7:44 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    SIZE 3]I don't see my comment as any more of a "caustic attack" than your comment is on AOC's ideas.

    Your comment ,on YaYa's horrifically cynical blog.....you know, the one with the fantastically demented illustration that I suppose is meant to depict the devil......says "Have long understood that we are living in the "last days" as predicted, and conditions in our society keeps emphasizing it very strongly. This article just condenses it very pointedly. "

    That comment harkens me back to a couple of years ago when you were both very taken with the Sci-Fi series about End Times and Tribulation, discussing the fictional books.......very badly written books......as if they were actual reality.....

    So when you call ideas that are designed to deal with the actual realities of the Earth pie in the sky and unrealistic, I cant................


AOC's ideas do not do anything to actually address the things she rants against..... her ideas will dismantle the entire premise the USA is built upon and destroy the middle class. Her ideas include the eradication of fossil fuel use, such as cars and airplanes, and to reconstruct all the buildings to use only renewable energy, and to give a living wage to those unable and UNWILLING to work. Our government programs already give far too much to those who are UNWILLING to work and know how to game the system, who in their right mind would want to give them more? Certainly not people who work for their living. How long before more and more taxpayers just give up their jobs to live on the government teat if it's giving them as much as they earn working?
Her ideas are definitely a pie in the sky..... and it will not fly in the USA, or with any other country if it were suggested there.
Would you want to live under the ideas that she is putting forth?


For me to be upset by your criticism, I must first value your opinion.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/14/2019 7:49 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    IF you took the time to worry about what goes on in your own country, I think you would be so busy that what Mr Trump does would be of no consequence. Heres a little fact for you, China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined. Yet I don't see your complaints about that. Another little fact for you, India is the fourth highest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world. You go stick your ideas about scraping the the total economic engine of the the United States while you allow China as well as India to continue to pollute.
Both you and Hanky have this strange notion that information takes up actual physical space in our minds...... Here's a little fact for you....it doesn't. There are no political borders in my mind. You are obviously a nationalist like your president.......you are in favour of not only physical walls, but figurative ones. Build that Wall ...Build that Wall.....you have been hornswogglled.......Do you seriously think that the USA can successfully isolate itself from it's neighbours? From the rest of the World?

Are you aware of the water-cycle.....that water evaporates into clouds that are pushed by the wind across political borders and falls as rain into rivers that empty into oceans, that the pull of the moon and the waves mingles the waters of the World into one soup?...........

You tell me what I should think about, what I should care about.......you worry about what a 29 year old who has been a congresswoman for a month thinks about......a woman who has very little power in your government, yet you don't express any concern for the irrational, demented man who has all the power........and you try to censor me because you have some hair-brained notion that information takes up room in my mind and my mind should have a wall at the border.........I wonder if you can understand anything about the commonality of Humans on the Earth, or if reality just exists in Stars and Stripes land and then just falls into empty space..........


Rentier2 74M
296 posts
2/14/2019 9:26 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    SIZE 3]I don't see my comment as any more of a "caustic attack" than your comment is on AOC's ideas.

    Your comment ,on YaYa's horrifically cynical blog.....you know, the one with the fantastically demented illustration that I suppose is meant to depict the devil......says "Have long understood that we are living in the "last days" as predicted, and conditions in our society keeps emphasizing it very strongly. This article just condenses it very pointedly. "

    That comment harkens me back to a couple of years ago when you were both very taken with the Sci-Fi series about End Times and Tribulation, discussing the fictional books.......very badly written books......as if they were actual reality.....

    So when you call ideas that are designed to deal with the actual realities of the Earth pie in the sky and unrealistic, I cant................


An acquaintance of mine was convinced the End Times were just around the corner.

But he died a couple of months ago, so I guess he will miss them.


Fossil_Fetcher 71M
9470 posts
2/15/2019 4:55 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You think some magical overlord is soon going to end life on Earth and will beam you up into Paradise for eternity because it says so in some Science Fiction novels and you think the ideas about our future based on actual evidence is the pie in the sky .......
Some "Magical Overlord" will one day transport BELIEVERS. No worry, Lulu, you will not be bothered. But I wonder why there is such a preponderance of non-believers from the Canadian side of the SFF house. I think Heaven may be a better pace without you.

Fossil

PS) I have forgotten. Were you Laurel or Hardy in the old days? I can't remember which was which.

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Non ego te hic placere


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/15/2019 7:16 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Both you and Hanky have this strange notion that information takes up actual physical space in our minds...... Here's a little fact for you....it doesn't. There are no political borders in my mind. You are obviously a nationalist like your president.......you are in favour of not only physical walls, but figurative ones. Build that Wall ...Build that Wall.....you have been hornswogglled.......Do you seriously think that the USA can successfully isolate itself from it's neighbours? From the rest of the World?

    Are you aware of the water-cycle.....that water evaporates into clouds that are pushed by the wind across political borders and falls as rain into rivers that empty into oceans, that the pull of the moon and the waves mingles the waters of the World into one soup?...........

    You tell me what I should think about, what I should care about.......you worry about what a 29 year old who has been a congresswoman for a month thinks about......a woman who has very little power in your government, yet you don't express any concern for the irrational, demented man who has all the power........and you try to censor me because you have some hair-brained notion that information takes up room in my mind and my mind should have a wall at the border.........I wonder if you can understand anything about the commonality of Humans on the Earth, or if reality just exists in Stars and Stripes land and then just falls into empty space..........
You ignoramus, the wall is to keep out people who want to enter the United States ILLEGALLY. What it there about that word that you don't understand. The dictionary defines the word ILLEGALLY as: a way that is contrary to or forbidden by law. I still want to know why you don't attack China or India for the amount of pollutants they release per year.


MrsJoe 71F
10257 posts
2/15/2019 9:52 am

Now she is cheering the fact that there will not be 25,000 new jobs in NYC. I would bet there are more than 25,000 people who wish she was the one losing her job.

For me to be upset by your criticism, I must first value your opinion.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/15/2019 11:16 am

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Some "Magical Overlord" will one day transport BELIEVERS. No worry, Lulu, you will not be bothered. But I wonder why there is such a preponderance of non-believers from the Canadian side of the SFF house. I think Heaven may be a better pace without you.

    Fossil

    PS) I have forgotten. Were you Laurel or Hardy in the old days? I can't remember which was which.

    πŸ˜‚πŸ˜ΉπŸ€£πŸ˜‹πŸ˜‚


The USA has a preponderance of people who believe the Sci-Fi novel they call "Bible" is factually true.......the rest of us are of a more practical mindset.


Fossil_Fetcher 71M
9470 posts
2/15/2019 11:43 am

Since you are NOT seeking any sort of Spiritual Redemption when you leave this life, I hope your next life will be one filled with promise. You see, you haven't figured out yet that the hope for salvation is what inspires many of the people on the planet, not just Christians, but also other faiths which believe in a life after this one. The "rest of us" is a much smaller group on a planet of seven and a half billion people. Of those, most will go to their graves wondering if they made a mistake. The good news is that even then you can seek the Kingdom of Heaven - I hope you do. Maybe you will - what do you have to lose ?


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Fossil



Non ego te hic placere


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/15/2019 12:02 pm

    Quoting Rentier2:
    An acquaintance of mine was convinced the End Times were just around the corner.

    But he died a couple of months ago, so I guess he will miss them.
Well, exactly, Christiianity was founded in an era of apocalyptic expectations among the Jews of Palestine and they have carried this idea forward to the present day...........The history of the religion is rife with predictions of the End Times. They just keep moving it forward as the previous date goes by............It's a basic tenet of their belief system.....a system whose most revered symbol is torture......The whole structure is based on convincing people that they are the elites.....chosen for everlasting happiness by the overlord as a reward for their fealty and obedience to his fantasies.......


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/15/2019 12:06 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Some "Magical Overlord" will one day transport BELIEVERS. No worry, Lulu, you will not be bothered. But I wonder why there is such a preponderance of non-believers from the Canadian side of the SFF house. I think Heaven may be a better pace without you.

    Fossil

    PS) I have forgotten. Were you Laurel or Hardy in the old days? I can't remember which was which.

    πŸ˜‚πŸ˜ΉπŸ€£πŸ˜‹πŸ˜‚


Your "Believers" are the ultimate Elitists........


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/15/2019 1:17 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Well, exactly, Christiianity was founded in an era of apocalyptic expectations among the Jews of Palestine and they have carried this idea forward to the present day...........The history of the religion is rife with predictions of the End Times. They just keep moving it forward as the previous date goes by............It's a basic tenet of their belief system.....a system whose most revered symbol is torture......The whole structure is based on convincing people that they are the elites.....chosen for everlasting happiness by the overlord as a reward for their fealty and obedience to his fantasies.......
Lulu perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us as how your condemnation of Christianity has anything to do with the topic of this blog. Which I shall remind you is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez far out Green New Deal.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/15/2019 2:48 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Lulu perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us as how your condemnation of Christianity has anything to do with the topic of this blog. Which I shall remind you is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez far out Green New Deal.
Sorry Bigblock, but I'm not interested in doing your thinking for you...If you can't see the connection by reading the comments, there's not much I can do to help you .....


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/15/2019 4:27 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Sorry Bigblock, but I'm not interested in doing your thinking for you...If you can't see the connection by reading the comments, there's not much I can do to help you .....
Taking the Cowards way out again I see.


Lisztomania 69M
10420 posts
2/15/2019 4:56 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Sorry Bigblock, but I'm not interested in doing your thinking for you...If you can't see the connection by reading the comments, there's not much I can do to help you .....
You are the one doing the Magical Thinking. You seem naively to believe that if the USA (only the USA) lower its carbon emissions by some arbitrary number based on dubious computer models calculated by zealots or alchemists, then all will be sweetness and light for eternity. What a tard.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/15/2019 5:22 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    You are the one doing the Magical Thinking. You seem naively to believe that if the USA (only the USA) lower its carbon emissions by some arbitrary number based on dubious computer models calculated by zealots or alchemists, then all will be sweetness and light for eternity. What a tard.
Nowhere have I said anything even close to that..... No one but the Christians are thinking in terms of eternity........Dismissing the Science on this only reveals the depths of your own ignorance.......We're all in this together Liszt, as I said above........We're all in this together.


Lisztomania 69M
10420 posts
2/16/2019 3:28 am

I see my point was too subtle for you. What I'm saying is that you and your co-religionists have turned climate into a crusade, a eucharist, a religious event.

I approach it in a non-religious way, with empirical questions: is it true? is it exaggerated? is it worth wrecking our economy? is it fundamentally intended to transform our government into a theocracy let by environmental imams?


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/16/2019 7:02 am

".Dismissing the Science on this only reveals the depths of your own ignorance..."

What science are you talking about or are you basing everything on goofy projections by notable scientists such as Al Gore or the latest expert Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Possibly the worst enemy for New York since John Gotti, according to both Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/16/2019 7:40 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    ".Dismissing the Science on this only reveals the depths of your own ignorance..."

    What science are you talking about or are you basing everything on goofy projections by notable scientists such as Al Gore or the latest expert Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Possibly the worst enemy for New York since John Gotti, according to both Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio.
, You don't even know what a Scientist is, do you?.....They are the reason you're still alive.


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/16/2019 7:55 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    , You don't even know what a Scientist is, do you?.....They are the reason you're still alive.
Doctors not Scientist you moron. You still have not offered any evidence.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/16/2019 12:05 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Doctors not Scientist you moron. You still have not offered any evidence.
Who designed the drugs, the machines.....the scientific theories modern medicine is based on? Who did the research ?


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/16/2019 12:28 pm

You still have not offered any evidence backing your claims.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/16/2019 1:35 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    You still have not offered any evidence backing your claims.
I don't understand what you expect......that I post the findings and projections of Climate Scientists from around the world?........Perhaps copy and paste articles from Scientific journals?........I have been paying attention for years........You, on the other hand are so out of the loop that you still bring up Al Gore whenever you think of Climate Science......You go ahead and believe what you will, it won't make much difference.j


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/16/2019 1:48 pm

you are the one who run off her fat mouth about all the evidence supporting your claims of man-made climate change. i merely asked you to prove it. which you seem reluctant to do. Perhaps you don't have the evidence. Maybe its like this one:Arctic ice cap grows same year Al Gore predicted it would disappear. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez prediction about The world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/16/2019 9:38 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    you are the one who run off her fat mouth about all the evidence supporting your claims of man-made climate change. i merely asked you to prove it. which you seem reluctant to do. Perhaps you don't have the evidence. Maybe its like this one:Arctic ice cap grows same year Al Gore predicted it would disappear. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez prediction about The world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.
You're the one who posted this blog claiming the Science that the Green New Deal is based on is wrong, yet you haven't posted any evidence to that effect......yet you expect me to post evidence in support of it.......Same claiming with Liszt......pretending that science is a religion.......what a couple of dullards.


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/17/2019 12:29 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You're the one who posted this blog claiming the Science that the Green New Deal is based on is wrong, yet you haven't posted any evidence to that effect......yet you expect me to post evidence in support of it.......Same claiming with Liszt......pretending that science is a religion.......what a couple of dullards.
The content of the blog explained what she wants to do. Then Mrs Joe took the time to explain it further as well as her efforts to keep Amazon from building in New York. I have asked why you seem only to pick on the United States when China as does India pollutes more than we do. The only thing you have accomplished with your constant blather is the attempted denigrating of those with a belief system far greater than yours.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/17/2019 10:11 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    The content of the blog explained what she wants to do. Then Mrs Joe took the time to explain it further as well as her efforts to keep Amazon from building in New York. I have asked why you seem only to pick on the United States when China as does India pollutes more than we do. The only thing you have accomplished with your constant blather is the attempted denigrating of those with a belief system far greater than yours.
I was denigrating the belief system, not the people who believe it.......as you denigrate mine..........to declare your belief system "far greater" than another only demonstrates your ignorance and naivete'...........You call your own beliefs about reality a "system"........It is a system that has been deliberately developed and built on over centuries........aspects of your system have even been developed to indoctrinate others into the system, to the point of ravaging the indigenous peoples all over the world in their own ancestral lands, causing death, suffering and upheaval.......forcing their system on people and lands through war and death and suffering.......You were plugged into that system at birth and never had the gumption to question it.

I am not part of any system......My being is free......You were indoctrinated with the promise of everlasting life......the ultimate greed. You allowed the enslavement of your being in life for a chimera.........you fell for it.......and look at what it has brought you to.........Fealty to gold-plated monster .......


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/17/2019 1:30 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I was denigrating the belief system, not the people who believe it.......as you denigrate mine..........to declare your belief system "far greater" than another only demonstrates your ignorance and naivete'...........You call your own beliefs about reality a "system"........It is a system that has been deliberately developed and built on over centuries........aspects of your system have even been developed to indoctrinate others into the system, to the point of ravaging the indigenous peoples all over the world in their own ancestral lands, causing death, suffering and upheaval.......forcing their system on people and lands through war and death and suffering.......You were plugged into that system at birth and never had the gumption to question it.

    I am not part of any system......My being is free......You were indoctrinated with the promise of everlasting life......the ultimate greed. You allowed the enslavement of your being in life for a chimera.........you fell for it.......and look at what it has brought you to.........Fealty to gold-plated monster .......
I was denigrating the belief system, not the people who believe it, a total bold faced lie. The first response you made you attacked Mrs Joe. You ridiculed her, you ridiculed the very idea that their very well could be a power that will beam a person up into paradise. Plus your total denigrating of a preponderance of people who believe the Bible is real.


sparkleflit 71F
4062 posts
2/18/2019 12:56 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I was denigrating the belief system, not the people who believe it, a total bold faced lie. The first response you made you attacked Mrs Joe. You ridiculed her, you ridiculed the very idea that their very well could be a power that will beam a person up into paradise. Plus your total denigrating of a preponderance of people who believe the Bible is real.
My comment to Mrs. Joe was referring to a series of Science Fiction books about the End Times that she and Ya Ya and others on this site took literally......

No one is saying the bible isn't "real".........I have one taking space on my shelf- . What I dispute is that those mythical rantings of illiterate desert dwellers in the Middle East 20 centuries ago are not and never were meant to be interpreted as factual.......They fell into the same genre as the Special Effects packed Super Hero Movies of Good guys VS Bad Guys of today.......It's MYTHOLOGY.........Go watch Campbell's programs on Myth..........Humans have created MYTHS since the DAWN OF TIME......There is a fundamental difference between Myth and factual reality.........


bigblock46 73M
8463 posts
2/18/2019 7:19 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    My comment to Mrs. Joe was referring to a series of Science Fiction books about the End Times that she and Ya Ya and others on this site took literally......

    No one is saying the bible isn't "real".........I have one taking space on my shelf- . What I dispute is that those mythical rantings of illiterate desert dwellers in the Middle East 20 centuries ago are not and never were meant to be interpreted as factual.......They fell into the same genre as the Special Effects packed Super Hero Movies of Good guys VS Bad Guys of today.......It's MYTHOLOGY.........Go watch Campbell's programs on Myth..........Humans have created MYTHS since the DAWN OF TIME......There is a fundamental difference between Myth and factual reality.........
Trying to walk back your comments.