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MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
9/19/2019 1:36 pm

I remember when I was a kid in school, we recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, facing the flag with our hands over our hearts. In our school, we had some Amish children, whose faith beliefs did not allow it, so those students either sat or left the room.
They exercised their rights, as we did, and nobody made a big deal out of it. Now, it seems that so many want to make a big stink out of everything.
My son had a high school coach who prayed with the team before every game..... and one who didn't. Nobody made a big fuss over the one who did, or over the one who didn't. Much ado about nothing, in my opinion.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
9/19/2019 10:10 pm

I remember the local High School forming prayer circles after the 9/11 incident. A few atheists tried to make an issue out of it but they got shut down quickly.

Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
9/19/2019 10:13 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yup, Alabama is thoroughly brain-washed by Christianity.......I see you folks are working on getting Christian Sharia instituted by your State Govmint.....LOL
It's not called Christian Sharia, it's called exercising the Constitutional First Amendment Right to Freedom of Religion.

Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
9/20/2019 1:41 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I call it Christian Sharia because Alabama has laws that are based on the religious beliefs of one group......forcing everyone to obey the rules of their religion. I thought Mrs. Joe's example a perfect illustration of the mind-set. She sees ostracizing some of the children so those who believe like her can practice their religion in public an example of equality.....LOL
Nobody was ostracized at all. We all played together, studied together, ate together and were friends. Some just didn't participate in the pledge of allegiance, that's all. Nobody is forced to do things that they find objectionable, but nobody should be forced to not do something just because somebody else doesn't.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
9/20/2019 4:22 pm

Quote Lulu, "You said that those kids whose religion prevented them from participating would leave the room.......that is the definition of ostracized........Most people consider being ostracized as objectionable........"Nobody should be forced to not do something just because somebody else doesn't".........That's a ridiculous statement......So you're willing to throw out the constitution and the system of law?......No one should be forced to not repe just because somebody else doesn't......No one should be forced to not have an abortion just because somebody else doesn't. Nobody should be forced not to marry their same-sex lover just because somebody else doesn't........Shall I go on? "

No, not really, because you are comparing apples to hamburgers..... Nothing was even said about crimes like repe ...... and the laws address the other issues you mention.
Let me clarify something.......... the children whose religion did not allow the pledge to the flag, were free to chose to do whatever they wanted..... to sit, to leave the room or whatever they wanted. They were not forced to do anything and they were not ostracized. They were just our friends and classmates who had different religious views.
There were things our school did that we did not approve of for our children...... so our children did not participate. They never felt left out or ostracized by their friends and classmates.
The idea that everyone must conform to the whole is part of the problem in our society today.
We are individuals and should be allowed to have and practice our beliefs, whether religious or not. But that does not include breaking the law.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
9/20/2019 4:25 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I call it Christian Sharia because Alabama has laws that are based on the religious beliefs of one group......forcing everyone to obey the rules of their religion. I thought Mrs. Joe's example a perfect illustration of the mind-set. She sees ostracizing some of the children so those who believe like her can practice their religion in public an example of equality.....LOL
So, let me ask you......... what would be your solution to a class saying the pledge, but part of the class having religious objections to doing so?

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
9/20/2019 11:46 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    For starters, what does God have to do with allegiance to the country anyways?......They could just leave God out of it.....Or, as many states have chosen, stop requiring kids to recite the pledge.....that way no one is left out. I have nieces and nephews who were brought up in the Jehovah Witness church and they were told by their parents to not participate in some school activities, like birthdays, Christmas, Halloween........They weren't punished, they went to the library or another classroom. The other children didn't make fun of them openly, they were all friends and played together, but several of them left the JWs and told me many stories of how awful it was for them.......The world has changed since we went to school, we understand things differently.
The original pledge of allegiance did not have the phrase "under God." This was added at a later date. Students have the option of doing the pledge with Under God or omitting it when reciting it with the entire class. No one is really going to know the difference. They also have the option of not doing it at all. I remember being bullied as a youngster because of my hearing disability. I learned to ignore it. I remember it being a nightmare but I did manage to make the honor roll in H.S. When my son experienced the same because he is also hearing impaired, I contacted GLAD (a deaf organization) and they presented an educational program to the class. Bullying is talked about more than it was in my younger years.

Abracadabra