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MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
7/1/2019 3:43 am

A sad, tragic, and unnecessary event.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2019 8:55 am

I always try to define the issues .. so people can make up their own mind.. Because the "immigration" issue is not what it seems.. Either way I don't pass judgment on it.. but it is reflective of the kinds of people who make that choice.

From the Conservative side the issue is clear...It's in everything they think and do..
To stop illegal and in many case legal immigration...Involves , by any means necessary.. To remove INCENTIVES, and Provide DETERRENTS.

From the Liberal side....It's different.. It's not entirely about incentives and deterrents..Most Liberals are NOT for open borders.. Most liberals believe the deterrents are already sufficient. Most Liberals will talk about incentivizing the home country.. to deter immigration. Most Liberals feel taking away their "incentives".. takes away our own incentives.. America First and Making America Great Again.... can not be just what WE have.. That THEY don't..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2019 9:09 am

the irony is.. that Liberal and Conservative are really not that far apart..All that conservative need to do.. Is decide to control immigration.. instead of STOPPING IT

The "incentives" can be shown... not to be... what they are "cut out to be".. There is plenty of evidence about that.. and deterrents we currently have can be better utilized. There can be less incentives and more deterrents...
But that is NOT what Conservatives want.. They want NO incentives and deterrents impossible to overcome.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
7/1/2019 10:38 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    the irony is.. that Liberal and Conservative are really not that far apart..All that conservative need to do.. Is decide to control immigration.. instead of STOPPING IT

    The "incentives" can be shown... not to be... what they are "cut out to be".. There is plenty of evidence about that.. and deterrents we currently have can be better utilized. There can be less incentives and more deterrents...
    But that is NOT what Conservatives want.. They want NO incentives and deterrents impossible to overcome.
Actually Mr. Cricket, you are way off base here. The purpose of the wall that the conservatives favor is to control "illegal" immigration. They can come in through the ports of entry after being vetted. The problem is that when people come in here illegally, they jumping ahead of those trying to come in legally. The United States does take immigrants including refugees. Why should lawbreakers have priority over those who are law abiding?

Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2019 11:47 am

You keep telling yourself that.. until you believe it.. this issue exceeds illegal immigration, and goes right to legal immigration. You label illegals..like it makes a difference.. the idea here is immigration, not illegal immigration.. the idea here is about refugees, and asylum seekers.. shithole countries.. and family migration.. It's about people who have the SAME incentive to come here as do illegals.
Being illegal doesn't make them any less human. But them being "illegal"..
Does make YOU less human..
Or more Human, or more White, or more AMERICAN.. Depending on one's perspective.
And if you have that perspective...It makes you RACIST.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2019 1:10 pm

    Quoting  :

Alright maybe Star is not a racist...but I didn't call her one.. I said if you think that way you are Racist..

Now Star can make up her own mind... if she thinks that way or not..

So what do you think about refugees, asylum seekers.. and family migration..Does a person have more of right to come here because their family is here? Or they are in Danger, or they have gotten kicked out their country?

Now I'm not sure what Star thinks.. as she is spouting "talking points"... Illegal actually probably means something to her.
But I have no qualms about it with You.. I can simply replace the word illegal.. with the word immigrant.. and it says the same... Face it... It's not that you don't want illegals.. You don't want immigrants...Especially the ones that aren't the same color as You.... Especially ones from "shithole" countries.. Illegal or legal.. you really don't give a shit...YOU ARE A RACIST.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
7/1/2019 3:08 pm

Hank was pointing out in the article the legal requirement for asylum and the fact that many who try to get into this country do not meet that legal definition. Poverty and economics are not legitimate reasons to claim asylum.

The United States does not have the resources to take in every third world citizen because of poverty. It is more practical to empower these people while allowing them to remain in their own communities. The United States has sent billions of dollars in humanitarian aid to these countries, There are other organizations that do the same.


It is really easy to jump up and down, pointing the finger at others, calling them racist while doing absolutely nothing to help those in third world countries.

Abracadabra