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hiramhankwilliam 95M
4172 posts
2/9/2019 8:10 pm
LULU


we know you are an atheist . more or less you don't believe THE LIVING CHRIST LIVES.

we get that.

as a sinner I oftern wonder how any one can deny that OUR LORD IS REAL.

I have read your words describing OUR LORD as an invisible guy in the sky.

we see that and hear what you say.

my question to you is, when did you stop believing???

we are not birthed atheist . we are raised to believe. this is not about forms of religion.

THIS IS ABOUT WHEN AND WHY YOU STOPPED BELIEVING IN OUR SAVIOR .

I doubt your parents raised u as a none believer .

did you raise your children to deny . did you teach your grands there was no GOD??

share with us. as I have said, you possess much wisdom and knowledge.

when did you lose faith??

your knowledge of the BIBLE tells me you explored the SCRIPTURES.

YOU KNOW THE BIBLE BETTER THAN ME.

what happened to deprive you of the love OF OUR LORD.

as a Christian I seek out b oth belivers as well as non believers .

a few words can create thought and maybe convert.

PLEASE SHARE WITH US.

I WILL NOT RESPOND AND NOT COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAY. I ASK OTHER STHE SAME.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3421 posts
2/9/2019 8:10 pm



DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


sewg1941 77F
594 posts
2/10/2019 2:24 am

Hello ... I normally would not respond to any blog that was religious in nature but you seem sincere in your quest for knowledge.

I would not normally respond to a blog that was directed at one person, but then I have always walked where angels fear to tread and LuLu is a kindred spirit.

Because I have struggled my whole life with religion I hoped you wouldn't mind if I respond to something written here.

'We are not birthed atheist' ... your words, and I have to add that 'we are not birthed christian' either. Any religion is passed to us from our parents and we grow in it... or not.

Most of us at a certain age begin to question everything about life and living and through life experience we decide for ourselves what we believe and don't believe. We look around us and see leaders of 'faith' on TV hawking for money without care that they may be taking food away from a pensioner. We see and read about the lavish lifestyles that they enjoy by taking from the poor. They prey on the weak, the lonely and misfits of this world.

We read and read some more and then we think with every brain cell we've been given and come to the only conclusion that we can come to given the information we've absorbed over a lifetime.

I think all of us would like to believe that there is someone watching over us who is going to care for us in an afterlife... but ... I know that I for one am not expecting to be taken care of. Life is life... and the fact is that at some point we will die. I personally would like to believe in reincarnation and live many lives but I'm not counting on it.

No we are not born atheist but we aren't born christian either ... we are just born and life is a crap shoot.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3421 posts
2/10/2019 2:48 am

thank you for your cooments and I understand how you feel.
DR BILLY GRAHAM said it best.. life cannot be a smooth hwy. if it was we woul never enjpy the smooth hwys . life is made up of rurt in the road, pot holes,uneven roads and roads that never end.

this ispart of life. no one is promised a bed of roses or a hand of all face cards.

if you expect this you set your self up for major dissapointment .

at my age i have endured many heart aches . i have fell prey to many sob stories. even some from my own children.

all that said, LIFE IS NOT A CRAP SHOOT.

life is made up of how we deal with things.

keep in mind each of us control how we deal and or react to lifes problems.

yes we make mistakes. we are human. we act om human insticts.

we are born in sin. it is up tp each of us to decide how we deal with life.

CHRISTIANS dont live life asa perfect time. we live to love OUR LORD HE alone determins our life.

life IS not like a poker game, YOU DONT ALWAYS GET FACE CARDS.

you play the hand dealt to you..

i ask you to seek out OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. HE LOVES US ALL

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3421 posts
2/10/2019 3:00 am

    Quoting sewg1941:
    Hello ... I normally would not respond to any blog that was religious in nature but you seem sincere in your quest for knowledge.

    I would not normally respond to a blog that was directed at one person, but then I have always walked where angels fear to tread and LuLu is a kindred spirit.

    Because I have struggled my whole life with religion I hoped you wouldn't mind if I respond to something written here.

    'We are not birthed atheist' ... your words, and I have to add that 'we are not birthed christian' either. Any religion is passed to us from our parents and we grow in it... or not.

    Most of us at a certain age begin to question everything about life and living and through life experience we decide for ourselves what we believe and don't believe. We look around us and see leaders of 'faith' on TV hawking for money without care that they may be taking food away from a pensioner. We see and read about the lavish lifestyles that they enjoy by taking from the poor. They prey on the weak, the lonely and misfits of this world.

    We read and read some more and then we think with every brain cell we've been given and come to the only conclusion that we can come to given the information we've absorbed over a lifetime.

    I think all of us would like to believe that there is someone watching over us who is going to care for us in an afterlife... but ... I know that I for one am not expecting to be taken care of. Life is life... and the fact is that at some point we will die. I personally would like to believe in reincarnation and live many lives but I'm not counting on it.

    No we are not born atheist but we aren't born christian either ... we are just born and life is a crap shoot.
there is n close doors to undersanding our life. we are mortals an we have mortal weakness

please never close the door to salvation .

there is many time each CHRISTIAN wonder about thinngs.

FAITH is the key . trust in OUR LORD AND SAVIOR life will not b perfect but enternity will be

GOD BLESS YOU

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


sewg1941 77F
594 posts
2/10/2019 3:34 am

'we are born in sin'. it is up tp each of us to decide how we deal with life.

In my opinion there is nothing more innocent than a new born life... there is no sin attached... and that is where the christian faith loses me.

I was so very lucky in that I was allowed to witness the birth of my third granddaughter ... it had a very profound effect on me. I had given birth twice but neither time was I captivated as I was witnessing my son's daughter being born.

I'm not saying that you are wrong Hiram, what you believe is right for you but we are all different and have to find our own way.

I do believe some of the stories in the bible but not all, and not as written. There were too many individuals, and too many revisions by ordinary men and women who were fallible, to ever consider the bible a work of non-fiction. I believe it to be a wonderful teaching tool - a guide to living life in a good and honourable manner, but not as factual history. I believe the bible is facts and fiction woven together. A 'good' book but not a history book as such!


Maisie2013 67F
19134 posts
2/10/2019 6:27 am

As for the Bible. The events depicted, not all of them, but especially in the Old Testament , have corroboration in the histories of many other civilizations. Even the Mayans have a cataclysm story like the Flood. Scientists have confirmed that the earth did experience such an event. Many battles, Jericho, for example, is also told by the losing side. The Bible is Jewish history, with religion mixed in as explanations for much of it. No secret that a people would write their own history with their own spin.
Every civilization has a creation story, also.

As for religion- I am not one for organized religion, but we are spiritual people. We are more than a pile of minerals and 98% water. How you deal with that part of your humanity is personal choice. Humans are social creatures, and naturally band together and will create societies based on common beliefs. We also want to believe we are more than what we see.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/10/2019 1:25 pm

Of course babies are born atheist.......good grief.....


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/10/2019 1:45 pm

Look, you are obviously excruciatingly naive , uneducated and unexplored.....you sound like you have never been curious about the Human Condition beyond your own doorstep.

You hold up this label of "Atheist" over my head and apply your prejudices and demand that I justify it to you in the simplistic terms of your limited experience......I suggest that if you have finally developed some curiosity about what other Humans experience beyond your doorstep, you do some reading........go to your local library......they have a whole section on Philosophy and Religion.


Rentier2 74M
249 posts
2/10/2019 3:13 pm

I was raised RC.
I stopped believing that JC was my saviour around the time I learned to think critically.

The data for the existence of such a person is slim.

The Mormans have better evidence for their beliefs than main line Christians, and nobody with any sense thinks Joseph Smith got his hands on golden tablets.


starwomyn 65F
6119 posts
2/10/2019 3:35 pm

I define myself as more spiritual than religious. I don't even try to define God but I see evidence of divine intervention in my life all the time. It is through coincidences, being in the right place at the right time or watching how a scenario clicks into place.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/10/2019 5:03 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    As for the Bible. The events depicted, not all of them, but especially in the Old Testament , have corroboration in the histories of many other civilizations. Even the Mayans have a cataclysm story like the Flood. Scientists have confirmed that the earth did experience such an event. Many battles, Jericho, for example, is also told by the losing side. The Bible is Jewish history, with religion mixed in as explanations for much of it. No secret that a people would write their own history with their own spin.
    Every civilization has a creation story, also.

    As for religion- I am not one for organized religion, but we are spiritual people. We are more than a pile of minerals and 98% water. How you deal with that part of your humanity is personal choice. Humans are social creatures, and naturally band together and will create societies based on common beliefs. We also want to believe we are more than what we see.
Thank you for acknowledging that people can be spiritual and not believe in a God.........


Rentier2 74M
249 posts
2/11/2019 7:42 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Thank you for acknowledging that people can be spiritual and not believe in a God.........
And there are also people like me who are not spiritual and don't believe in God.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/11/2019 10:48 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    And there are also people like me who are not spiritual and don't believe in God.
Yeah....I really, really dislike the word "Spiritual" but I'm at a loss as to how to communicate my thinking to people as naive and unexamined as Hank....


sewg1941 77F
594 posts
2/12/2019 1:52 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yeah....I really, really dislike the word "Spiritual" but I'm at a loss as to how to communicate my thinking to people as naive and unexamined as Hank....
Personally I like the word 'enlightened'...


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/12/2019 1:11 pm

    Quoting sewg1941:
    Personally I like the word 'enlightened'...
find that word even more problematic......Like the word "spiritual" it means so many different things to different people........It was the buzz-word of the seekers after Eastern Religion in the sixties and into the New Age spiritual movement, that saw people lining their nests with whatever shiny object drew their attention in the moment.........There were the many gurus and masters and Spiritual teachers that were put forward by celebrities......mish-mashes of magical thinking , quantum Physics, yoga and mind-expanding plants..............claiming enlightenment.........and then moving on to the next shiny spiritual object.

An old acquaintance and her husband....Yoga teachers who call themselves "Healers"......calling themselves experts after taking weekend workshops.......it's all just theatre.......of the absurd......One time they told me they were now Enlightened......I asked them how they knew that........They told me they had been to a see a famous guru from India who was holding sessions in LA.................They had been in a huge hall with thousands of others and just being in the "presence" of this woman ......contained within the same 4 walls as the guru, had enlightened them.........and enlightenment had also brought them the ability to tell if others were enlightened......they said that they just walked out of that building and out on the streets of LA and could tell who was enlightened and who wasn't..........They continue to think they are enlightened, but are unable to describe enlightenment, or define it......I call BS on all of it.


sewg1941 77F
594 posts
2/13/2019 2:28 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    find that word even more problematic......Like the word "spiritual" it means so many different things to different people........It was the buzz-word of the seekers after Eastern Religion in the sixties and into the New Age spiritual movement, that saw people lining their nests with whatever shiny object drew their attention in the moment.........There were the many gurus and masters and Spiritual teachers that were put forward by celebrities......mish-mashes of magical thinking , quantum Physics, yoga and mind-expanding plants..............claiming enlightenment.........and then moving on to the next shiny spiritual object.

    An old acquaintance and her husband....Yoga teachers who call themselves "Healers"......calling themselves experts after taking weekend workshops.......it's all just theatre.......of the absurd......One time they told me they were now Enlightened......I asked them how they knew that........They told me they had been to a see a famous guru from India who was holding sessions in LA.................They had been in a huge hall with thousands of others and just being in the "presence" of this woman ......contained within the same 4 walls as the guru, had enlightened them.........and enlightenment had also brought them the ability to tell if others were enlightened......they said that they just walked out of that building and out on the streets of LA and could tell who was enlightened and who wasn't..........They continue to think they are enlightened, but are unable to describe enlightenment, or define it......I call BS on all of it.
I don't put the word 'enlightened' in that context... lol My meaning is more along the lines of logically looking into 'whatever' and deciding over time if it has merit or not. I've had a couple of very interesting but weird things happen in my life and I can't dismiss them but I can't embrace them either. I guess my meaning of the word is more along the lines of 'I've had some experience with whatever and, while I'm not an expert, I'm not a total novice. So.. I'm enlightened to a degree, but I don't profess to be an expert on anything...lol