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hiramhankwilliam 95M
3816 posts
11/10/2018 9:25 pm
WHAT A STORIED CAREER AND LIFE...

"As a Vietnam era veteran myself "

this was from leafs last post.

wow. he is now a nam vet. he has been a prosecutor ,house and senate aide as well as white house aide.

man you just cant do better than this.

he is what all amurican kids wana grow up to be like


DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3092 posts
11/10/2018 9:34 pm

now

as an added treat I will post a picture that needs no words.

dumb and dumber. or heifer and gazelle

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


MrsJoe 71F
9621 posts
11/10/2018 9:36 pm

A Vietnam ERA vet is not the same as a Vietnam vet. Nobody that was not there can ever imagine what that horror was like...... and many of those vets are still suffering from their service there. We hear so much about PTSD, but there are also many who were affected by agent orange.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3092 posts
11/10/2018 10:31 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    A Vietnam ERA vet is not the same as a Vietnam vet. Nobody that was not there can ever imagine what that horror was like...... and many of those vets are still suffering from their service there. We hear so much about PTSD, but there are also many who were affected by agent orange.
mrs joe.

well said. I saw vets from nam come in to the jail .many my age alcoholics, still dealing with the demons from nam. an the worse some dealing with drug addiction to hide the visions.

my step brother was a wwII vet. he landed at Tarawa.

he never got past what he saw. his wife said he never would talk about it.

the priest that spent many days prior to my step brothers death said mike continued to ask the question why he lived and others didn't. I haunted him.

nam vet still relive the horrible things they saw.

many hid in booze or just ended their lives.

we took better care of the leeches that don't want to work than we did of the hero's that served .

I see here in mobile a vets out reach center has opened, soon a new vets facility out west mobile.

new orleans has just opened a new vet hospital.

I hope not to late.

MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY NAM, WW2, KOREA, AND ALL OTHER WAR VETS. THEY GAVE THE MOST THEY COULD

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


boogie7102 73F
362 posts
11/11/2018 12:32 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    A Vietnam ERA vet is not the same as a Vietnam vet. Nobody that was not there can ever imagine what that horror was like...... and many of those vets are still suffering from their service there. We hear so much about PTSD, but there are also many who were affected by agent orange.
Mrs. Joe, here you are wrong. Many of the era vets helped load those planes that carried bombs from mainland Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, Guam, Thailand. Hospitals on those islands were the first major stops for the critically wounded and those that needed to go to the States for further care. Believe me, they may have been cleaned up a little but wounds of all types were seen. Ships that launched the bombers and were sitting just off Vietnam in International waters were considered era. Military personnel that were in-country for a limited time and not there for X number of months were not VN Vets as were the fighter and transport pilots that flew in daily. Everyone in the military works together and deserves respect.


Maisie2013 67F
18863 posts
11/11/2018 6:15 am

    Quoting boogie7102:
    Mrs. Joe, here you are wrong. Many of the era vets helped load those planes that carried bombs from mainland Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, Guam, Thailand. Hospitals on those islands were the first major stops for the critically wounded and those that needed to go to the States for further care. Believe me, they may have been cleaned up a little but wounds of all types were seen. Ships that launched the bombers and were sitting just off Vietnam in International waters were considered era. Military personnel that were in-country for a limited time and not there for X number of months were not VN Vets as were the fighter and transport pilots that flew in daily. Everyone in the military works together and deserves respect.
I have to go with Mrs Joe on this one. To most of us, " Viet Nam era " vet includes anyone like the people you are talking about to a guy who pushed papers at Ft Meade. Most notably Democrat Senator Blumenthal who was accused of stolen valor, by saying " Viet Nam vet", not adding the word era. He never served in combat.

My father served in the military during WW2, but he spent the war fixing typewriters in Persia and running the PX. People did not used to blur the lines between combat veterans and non-combat veterans.


Maisie2013 67F
18863 posts
11/11/2018 6:16 am

Abrams is for banning the weapons being brandished by the good brothers. Talk about clueless.


MrsJoe 71F
9621 posts
11/11/2018 6:40 am

    Quoting boogie7102:
    Mrs. Joe, here you are wrong. Many of the era vets helped load those planes that carried bombs from mainland Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, Guam, Thailand. Hospitals on those islands were the first major stops for the critically wounded and those that needed to go to the States for further care. Believe me, they may have been cleaned up a little but wounds of all types were seen. Ships that launched the bombers and were sitting just off Vietnam in International waters were considered era. Military personnel that were in-country for a limited time and not there for X number of months were not VN Vets as were the fighter and transport pilots that flew in daily. Everyone in the military works together and deserves respect.
Thank you, Boogie. I was basing my statement on something my brother inlaw told me, when I used the term "Vietnam era vet". We actually sold caps that said "era" on them. He works with veteran groups and told us that either you were in 'Nam or you weren't, and they were going to do away with the term Vietnam era vet. So either you were a Vietnam vet, or a vet, but not an "era".
I do respect all vets for their service, whether in war or peace time.


Rentier2 74M
170 posts
11/11/2018 8:38 am

I'm a Vietnam era veteran.


MrsJoe 71F
9621 posts
11/11/2018 10:35 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    I'm a Vietnam era veteran.
Then, on the day that we recognize our veterans, let me thank you for your service in a country that is our ally.


boogie7102 73F
362 posts
11/11/2018 11:32 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Thank you, Boogie. I was basing my statement on something my brother inlaw told me, when I used the term "Vietnam era vet". We actually sold caps that said "era" on them. He works with veteran groups and told us that either you were in 'Nam or you weren't, and they were going to do away with the term Vietnam era vet. So either you were a Vietnam vet, or a vet, but not an "era".
    I do respect all vets for their service, whether in war or peace time.
It gets to be a complicated technical point. I think it was 90 consecrative days on the ground in VN. There were so many that were temporary duty there that would be sent back to close by bases after 60 days then sent back for another TDY a week later for 60 days. Military personnel stationed in Thailand were all considered VN Vets but those on other very near by bases were not. I may be wrong about the time of 90 days but the rules were complicated. Maybe Fossil can explain a little more. I also respect everyone that served and worked together to bring everyone home. Have a great day Mr and Mrs Joe.


Rentier2 74M
170 posts
11/12/2018 5:49 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Then, on the day that we recognize our veterans, let me thank you for your service in a country that is our ally.
I have always regarded that as a stupid sentiment.
What service?
Killing people in places we shouldn't be?


MrsJoe 71F
9621 posts
11/12/2018 6:07 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    I have always regarded that as a stupid sentiment.
    What service?
    Killing people in places we shouldn't be?
No, not at all. Service to your country....... taking time away from your "normal" life and family and being willing to defend it if necessary. It isn't necessarily WHAT you did, but what you were willing to do for your country.


MrsJoe 71F
9621 posts
11/12/2018 6:15 am

    Quoting boogie7102:
    It gets to be a complicated technical point. I think it was 90 consecrative days on the ground in VN. There were so many that were temporary duty there that would be sent back to close by bases after 60 days then sent back for another TDY a week later for 60 days. Military personnel stationed in Thailand were all considered VN Vets but those on other very near by bases were not. I may be wrong about the time of 90 days but the rules were complicated. Maybe Fossil can explain a little more. I also respect everyone that served and worked together to bring everyone home. Have a great day Mr and Mrs Joe.
Thanks. I didn't realize there was such technical bulloney involved. I just figured if a vet was in 'Nam at all, then he/she was a 'Nam vet.


Rentier2 74M
170 posts
11/13/2018 6:57 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    No, not at all. Service to your country....... taking time away from your "normal" life and family and being willing to defend it if necessary. It isn't necessarily WHAT you did, but what you were willing to do for your country.
Yup.
Taking time from your normal life and family to go thousands of miles away to kill people in places you were sent for no good reason.