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Nileyears 71F
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8/16/2022 11:15 am
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Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
8/16/2022 11:15 am

So many times I have heard that expression. Mostly used towards someone who was driving a vehicle that was falling apart.

Well, today someone posted a picture of a horse and buggy at one of my social sites and I had to laugh. I also commented how much hay and feed was costing me for the horses and let this person know that gas was still cheaper. I didn't include the cost of vet care, but so far, it's cheaper than auto repairs, and like those, I do a lot of that myself.

Then I started thinking about these worthless EV's. They can't seem to go more than 150 miles on a charge, there aren't enough charging stations, they can't get a full charge in an hour and then there have been videos on the batteries exploding. Not sure I want something like that, so I started thinking about an even cheaper mode of transportation. Did I forget to mention the cost of an EV? Yeah, then there's that added to the list!

So now I'm thinking of getting rid of my two horses and buying a couple miniature horses and getting a cart. They don't eat much and they are so cute! Not that I'd be going on a long road trip with that, but it might just be fun to have around and who knows what the future is going to be like.

What do you plan on doing for transportation in the future? I read that the plan is to get rid of all gas vehicles by 2030. If that is the case, most of us will be walking, riding a bike, riding a horse, or maybe even driving a buggy because those EV's are just to expensive for some of us.


B0B77021 80M
496 posts
8/16/2022 2:20 pm

They're not planning to get rid of all gas vehicles; the goal is to stop making them. There will still be many millions of gas vehicles for decades to come.


Nileyears replies on 8/16/2022 4:18 pm:
They're still selling gas vehicles, so yes, they will still be around, but have you seen the price tags on those? Why buy one though if they're being phased out? Maybe they'll fix all the bugs by that time in the EV's? Not sure I'll be around for a couple decades to see what the future holds. LOL, who knows? I just thought it would be fun to have a couple minis, and that person's meme made me think about the "What If" we no longer have gas vehicles.

myseek1 80F
1376 posts
8/16/2022 3:08 pm

One thing I know, Nile, I will never put one foot in those e-cars. I'll keep my small gasoline vehicle as long as I can. I don't see any alternative to do my shopping over here or have some kind of social life. After all, I believe that all the hype that comes with that crazy woke idea will fall apart not too far from now. Many people have "not lost their marbles" yet.
What do you think about a mule and a cart?


Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi


Nileyears replies on 8/16/2022 4:37 pm:
I'm with you on that, I have no desire to get in an EV. Now my oldest daughter's company vehicle is one of those hybrids and she said it's weird. When she stops waiting for the signal light to change the car sounds like it shuts off, LOL, she said it really doesn't, but it's taken here awhile to get used to it. I'm a good 15 miles from my grocery store and I only shop every two weeks to conserve my fuel.

I don't know about a mule, I never owned one, but my grandpa loved mules and would take one over a horse any day. I'm thinking minis because they are small and don't eat much. I owned one 30 years ago, he was so cute!

Rocketship 80F
18580 posts
8/16/2022 5:40 pm

I'm sure when the automobile was first rolled out and on the road, many also said they would never put a foot in one.

You're right Nileyears about the high cost of owning horses. Between all the costs you mentioned, there's also fencing, etc. etc..... and finding good help to look after them if you want to go away for a weekend or more.

Because of our ages, we probably won't need to fear gasoline powered vehicles disappearing.

My daughter has a hybrid and just loves it, especially since she only gasses it up two or three times a year, and because the battery charges up as it is being driven it cost very little on her electric bill.


Nileyears replies on 8/16/2022 7:20 pm:
You're probably correct about that Rocket, but that was way before my time. As a kid, I rode horses just about everywhere, so back then, it was my mode of transportation. There was a lot more open land back then also, now there's fencing all over the place, have to stick to the side of the roads.

The fencing needs repair every once in awhile, but the main cost was putting it up. My help is my daughters, and that's not very often. They are both so busy with their jobs I'm lucky to see them once a month. I don't travel much anymore.

As long as they don't ban gas powered vehicles, I think we are safe.

The hybrid would be the answer, so I don't understand the EV push. I asked myself why the EV can't be made to charge itself as you drive it instead of having to plug it in all the time. That makes more sense to me than charging stations. After all, if your battery dies and you're stranded on the side of the road, what do they bring to charge it? A diesel generator! What gives the power to the charging stations? Fossil fuels! So unless they can charge as you drive, they are still dependent on old forms of energy.

CRAZYHORSE230 78M
1702 posts
8/16/2022 6:45 pm

I DO SEE US, AMERICA, EVER CEASING THE PRODUCTION OF CARS. NOTE, THIS HAS ALL TAKEN OFF UNDER ICE CREAM AND KAKLE. AFTER TRUMP IS REELECTED.

ELECTRIC CARS IS MANY YEAR S AWAY. . i have 2 antique cars, my p/u n my 530i

as long as gas is sold., even joe can stop that , i will drive em

THE DAYS WILL END ... TIME WILL BE ETERNAL


Nileyears replies on 8/16/2022 7:39 pm:
Well, most of us already know that, besides the fact that the government will make sure tax payers pay for it all. I don't plan on buying a new vehicle for the rest of my life, the two I have will have to make do.

I'm not sure what the future has in store for us, I just want to go out enjoying whatever kind of life I have left.

CRAZYHORSE230 78M
1702 posts
8/16/2022 6:48 pm

    Quoting CRAZYHORSE230:
    I DO SEE US, AMERICA, EVER CEASING THE PRODUCTION OF CARS. NOTE, THIS HAS ALL TAKEN OFF UNDER ICE CREAM AND KAKLE. AFTER TRUMP IS REELECTED.

    ELECTRIC CARS IS MANY YEAR S AWAY. . i have 2 antique cars, my p/u n my 530i

    as long as gas is sold., even joe can stop that , i will drive em
sorry for confused comment. i meant after trump is elected to where he shoud be , ev wil lbe gone

THE DAYS WILL END ... TIME WILL BE ETERNAL


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/16/2022 7:09 pm

Well that may sound good.. but when it's comes down to it......
YOU CAN'T EAT GAS!


dusty17 73M
498 posts
8/16/2022 10:45 pm

If you're driving an electric car and BUYING the electricity to drive it from a power company, you have completely missed the boat.

If you don't have a solar power charging station at home or have access to one you need to get a Hybrid .......

Hybrid cars run on big batteries that get charged exactly same way cars have been "self-charging" batteries for the last hundred years .... with generators/alternators ... free


Nileyears replies on 8/17/2022 6:18 am:
I think the hybrid would be the better choice also. The EV just never made any sense to me. Works more like a battery operated flashlight.

Rentier2 79M
950 posts
8/17/2022 7:48 am

    Quoting dusty17:
    If you're driving an electric car and BUYING the electricity to drive it from a power company, you have completely missed the boat.

    If you don't have a solar power charging station at home or have access to one you need to get a Hybrid .......

    Hybrid cars run on big batteries that get charged exactly same way cars have been "self-charging" batteries for the last hundred years .... with generators/alternators ... free
Hybrids are a transitional vehicle.
Full EVs are getting better all the time.
There are several now that recharge using solar panels.


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
8/17/2022 8:34 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    Hybrids are a transitional vehicle.
    Full EVs are getting better all the time.
    There are several now that recharge using solar panels.
What good will the solar panels be if there is no sunlight to charge them? We do have cloudy and rainy days, it's not always blue skies and sunshine. They should be made to charge as you are driving. Think about one of those crank radios and the wheels are the crank on the car. If that can be done, wouldn't it make better sense?


TwilightSpirit 56F
1248 posts
8/17/2022 8:55 am

I wonder about EV's in my area. Charging stations are few and far between, and its an hour and a half to the cheap grocery store. The bright side is everything is in walking distance, unless you need the hospital because you broke your leg.


Nileyears replies on 8/17/2022 4:28 pm:
I have no idea where the closest charging station is to me, I've never seen one. Maybe because I'm not looking?

You do have ambulance service, right? Still, be safe and don't break a leg!

TxJW027 81M

8/17/2022 2:20 pm

I have not seen how much it coasts to recharge the ev batteries at home or elsewhere.

Gas was $3.15 per gallon in Waco, Texas two days ago.

How many miles per cost of charge vs how many miles per gallon of gas at $3,15 would help me compare. LOL

A generator can be and may soon be mounted on the stationary axle of an EV to help in charging itself. Each vehicle would then have 2.

I could build the mounting apparatus, but I do not know the max output of available generators at this time but they can surely be improved now that there is a need. Perhaps 2 or 3 years away. never underestimate technology development.

In fact my son and I have talked about that exact thing. He was in engineering at Peterbuilt trucks capable of designing it.

We used to do cad cam cae for inventors to aide them in obtaining patents.

Ev s may soon be a near equal alternative to gas & diesel powered vehicles.
If that happens the competition will lower the cost for both.
Party On! LOL


Nileyears replies on 8/17/2022 4:49 pm:
$3.15 is a lot cheaper than $3.90 a gallon. I was just north of Del Rio a couple weekends ago and the price of gas down there was pretty high. San Saba price was cheaper and the prices got cheaper as I was driving north. Still not as cheap as Waco here, I paid $3.25 a couple days ago. Still higher prices than a year ago.

Instead of doing all that work to mount a generator to an EV, why not just own a hybrid? Also, why not invent a way for the EV to charge itself? There would be no need for charging stations at home, or elsewhere. I'm pretty sure someone has come up with that idea, but then it takes the money out of some big corporation's pockets and the politicians they have in their pockets.

TxJW027 81M

8/17/2022 9:30 pm

The two generators mounted at both ends of the axle ------geared to the wheel on respective end would charge the EV battery while driving. If the generator output was great enough the gasoline engine in the hybrid would be eliminated.


Nileyears replies on 8/19/2022 5:28 am:
That's a great idea Tx, but why wasn't something like that done before the EV's hit the market? You and I both know the technology is already out there and has been around for decades.

Rentier2 79M
950 posts
8/20/2022 8:42 am

    Quoting Nileyears:
    What good will the solar panels be if there is no sunlight to charge them? We do have cloudy and rainy days, it's not always blue skies and sunshine. They should be made to charge as you are driving. Think about one of those crank radios and the wheels are the crank on the car. If that can be done, wouldn't it make better sense?
Solar is one option. They also use regenerative braking.
There is company in Munich that builds solar charged cars.
There it can go around 70 km a week simply on the solar charge.
Alberta, where I live, gets a lot of sunshine so it would do even better here.