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Rentier1

7/12/2016 8:30 am

I have no argument with these stats.
I have personally witnesses enough incidents, especially in Alberta, to know that prejudice against Canadian aboriginals is alive and well.

However, it would be shed more light on the situation if one looks below the surface of these numbers.

Item: those who live off reserve generally live better
Item: conditions vary widely even on reserves. Some are far better run.
There are two reserves in Chilliwack abuting each other. One is clearly in better
shape than the other.
The four Cree nations on the reserve south of Edmonton have received untold
millions in oil royalties over the decades, and yet the housing their is awful.
Item: There is more diversity among Canada's native groups than among Slavs, but
no would say Russians and Czechs were the same, so it's unwise to see them
as all the same.


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
7/12/2016 9:16 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Nileyears , SFF isn't just an American site...it's also an international one...it's very easy to forget that. In fact, there are some Americans here, who constantly put down anyone who is not American.
    In my years here, I have been insulted hundreds of times, and every time by a small core of people.
    It seems to me that if they want to b*tch about their country, their government, or their own people, they might be better to do so on an "Americans only" site. That way they could ensure that we, the international members they call anti-American, can't comment.

    Added to this is the odd perception that America is none of our business...that we have no right to say anything and that we are all just ungrateful "colonials".
    Well, that's a very short-sighted view, (not to say xenophobic). When America bills itself as "The leader of the world" and what happens there affects the rest of the world...how can we not be affected? America does not exist in a vacuum.

    As to racism, that exists...we all know it...and it exists everywhere, without exemption. Countries are not racist people are. Because your country has so large a population it stands to reason that there may be more racism than elsewhere. But racism is solely down to individual choice...it can hit anywhere...it is deep seated and insidious and even religious people can be prey to it. I knew Catholic priests and nuns who were racist.

    We will never see a racism free world...but what we can do, is teach the upcoming generations what racism is and how to avoid it. I've been doing that all my adult life. I believe that's vital.
Katie, I know this site is an international one, but for people to feel it justifiable to insult another by attacking them and their country, when their own country is guilty of doing the same, it's just wrong! I have kept my mouth shut for a long time, or as the saying goes, I have bit my tongue and kept quiet, not wanting to get involved with the racist comments, avoiding them at all costs, but the last insult made me realize keeping my mouth shut wasn't the solution. ( I know this is in type, just go along with me here ) I'm not saying people from other countries can't, or should not comment, but is it necessary to be hateful and uncaring of someone's feelings? Sure, we most likely will never meet, and we exist only in cyber land, but to some people, this is their world, it might be their only world if they are unable to get out and do things like the rest of us, and when others are hateful, it could hurt them. Do we ever consider that, or should we mindlessly continue to insult people we don't know? I wasn't raised to hate people of different races, my mother was beyond her years in wisdom, she taught us to love people for their difference, but that doesn't mean I like everyone I meet, or that they are going to like me, that's just how it is.


Rentier1

7/12/2016 9:21 am

    Quoting shuel2002:
    I have to admit, Rae, this blog rubbed me the wrong way. Like Rocket and Bijou, I don't feel like we look to knock the USA. When something happens anywhere in the world and a blog is written about it, we comment as human beings not as Canadians. I have never put up a post knocking any country. I am disappointed by this post. I know you enough to know it wasn't your intention to offend.
I will happily knock any nation when it is wrong in my view,
Israel on Palestinians
Canada on sending soldiers to Afghanistan
Britain on the EU
Poland on its swing to the right


Rentier1

7/12/2016 9:23 am

    Quoting  :

Hardly everything.
I have never written a bad word about US national parks.


Rentier1

7/12/2016 2:50 pm

Dandee is annoyed with me because I said xians are delusional.

As far as castigation goes, I suspect he would be fine with me castigsting Portlanders for being loonie lefties.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
7/13/2016 5:04 am

Yes Nileyears, I agree with you on the whole. I wasn't brought up to hate anyone either, certainly not for their religion, culture or colour. . but, as an atheist, a Brit and a liberaI I have been constantly ridiculed and personally insulted by the same few people in SFF who seem to hate everyone who disagrees with them. And it is only a few. They think Europeans (and others) are simple minded cowards who owe America gratitude for saving them... and they say so...frequently and in no uncertain terms. After so many years, this gets old, that's why I speak my mind nowadays.

I have never, in my life, found that sort of nasty behaviour anywhere but here in SFF. Nor have I seen the level of racism which the same people display.

And yet, they say they are "good Christians" and I am a stupid atheist sinner with no feelings and no beliefs. Now that really makes me laugh, because I have always spoken with feeling, empathy and compassion, simply because that is me.

I do not believe in stereotyping whole groups of people, to me, we are all one race just trying to get by in life as best we can. Doesn't matter what we believe as long as it doesn't cause us to treat others as inferior.

I try not to insult, but we Scots are known for our directness of speech...and sometimes we need to be very direct. I think lot's of people do not understand that, but we are not a cowardly Nation.


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
7/13/2016 11:24 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Yes Nileyears, I agree with you on the whole. I wasn't brought up to hate anyone either, certainly not for their religion, culture or colour. . but, as an atheist, a Brit and a liberaI I have been constantly ridiculed and personally insulted by the same few people in SFF who seem to hate everyone who disagrees with them. And it is only a few. They think Europeans (and others) are simple minded cowards who owe America gratitude for saving them... and they say so...frequently and in no uncertain terms. After so many years, this gets old, that's why I speak my mind nowadays.

    I have never, in my life, found that sort of nasty behaviour anywhere but here in SFF. Nor have I seen the level of racism which the same people display.

    And yet, they say they are "good Christians" and I am a stupid atheist sinner with no feelings and no beliefs. Now that really makes me laugh, because I have always spoken with feeling, empathy and compassion, simply because that is me.

    I do not believe in stereotyping whole groups of people, to me, we are all one race just trying to get by in life as best we can. Doesn't matter what we believe as long as it doesn't cause us to treat others as inferior.

    I try not to insult, but we Scots are known for our directness of speech...and sometimes we need to be very direct. I think lot's of people do not understand that, but we are not a cowardly Nation.
You know what Katie, I'm starting to see this hatred everywhere I go lately, FB and a place I like to play online games, people are starting fights. I'm starting to think people have lost their minds! Come into SFF any day of the week and people are fighting, it's gotten to be the norm around here, common sight, though it used to annoy me, now I read the blogs and the comments to see who to stay away from, and those people are the ones who threaten any kind of violence on another person, or a threat of any kind. That, I cannot deal with, nor tolerate! I've already blocked two of them, not because they threatened me, but because they threatened someone else. Life is too short for that!

I don't care what people believe in, or what they don't believe in, but I will defend a friend if they are attacked for their beliefs. I'm guessing I've missed those blogs you speak of and I would never say any country is cowardly, heck, Scotland is still on my bucket list of things to do before I die, along with Ireland, and no way do I want to make enemies there before I get there!


Rentier1

7/16/2016 8:31 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    After years of telling Canadians to mind their own damned business about America's problems, I am not about to offer any advice to them. Whatever happens to Canada is Canada's fault and of no interest to me. Therefor, I truly don't care about their fate.

    Fossil


I don't care about your fate either except insofar as it affects mine.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
7/17/2016 12:46 pm

Nileyeats, as a Canadian who has had friends throughout the Aboriginal tribes in Canada, I can assure you that Rocket is right on insofar as the media is concerned ("the media is one of the biggest purveyors of doom, gloom, and hype"). We have come a long way in this country and fortunately some of the problems for our First Nations are being solved, however, it's their chiefs who unfortunately control their money. What in fact this means is that their people rarely benefit from the purse strings. These people do not pay tax while everyone else (on the reservation) does and many of them remain on welfare. A very sad situation indeed!


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
7/17/2016 9:01 pm

    Quoting frenchsalsa2:
    Nileyeats, as a Canadian who has had friends throughout the Aboriginal tribes in Canada, I can assure you that Rocket is right on insofar as the media is concerned ("the media is one of the biggest purveyors of doom, gloom, and hype"). We have come a long way in this country and fortunately some of the problems for our First Nations are being solved, however, it's their chiefs who unfortunately control their money. What in fact this means is that their people rarely benefit from the purse strings. These people do not pay tax while everyone else (on the reservation) does and many of them remain on welfare. A very sad situation indeed!
The same thing happens here with the Native Indians in the US. Some tribes have casinos on their reservations, which are supposed to help their tribes out, yet the money never makes it to the people and most still live in poverty. Greed seems to be everywhere these days. No kidding about the news medias, they are bad news.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
7/18/2016 10:09 am

    Quoting Shartaun03:
    I am with Rocket on her comments. I do not castigate the Americans here on the blogs about the racism in the USA. I watch the Canadian news on TV all the time and our news has a good portion of what is happening south of the border. You should take care of what is happening in your own front yard before criticizing what is happening in your neighbors. Plus I have tons of relatives scattered across the USA and I have a good relationship with most of them.
Shartaun, I can relate.... great comments!