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Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1228 posts
12/9/2019 8:11 pm
Dems' 2 Articles of Impeachment


Article 1: The USA is prospering.
a) Unemployment record lows
b) Economy WAY up
c) Minority employment record highs

Article 2: We can't beat him in 2020
a) Joe Biden
b) The rest of the current field
c) We may have to let Hillary run

it: all they have is hearsay, inference and speculation.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
12/9/2019 8:13 pm

Love to hear what George Soros has to say about his minions' clown show.


bondjam33 70M
840 posts
12/9/2019 9:42 pm

    Quoting  :

Truthful? Straightforward?

What you men is you like to hear what confirms your prejudice.

How about some TRUTHFUL stuff (from Rolling Stone)?

QUOTE from Ambassador Sondland (A tRump nominee and major donor)

“I said that resumption of the U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks.”

Multiple witnesses corroborated that Sondland told Ukraine the release of aid was conditional.

Sondland also testified that he was directed by the president to insist to concerned State Department officials that there wasn’t quid pro quo.

tRump's reply " I hardly know the guy" - Honestly? Truthful?

QUOTE from Bill Taylor

Taylor didn’t mince words when he was asked directly if Ukraine receiving military assistance and Zelensky receiving an invitation to the White House were “conditioned” on Ukraine launching investigations into Biden and the 2016 election:

“The was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the President committed to pursue the investigation.”

He clarified this point in responding to multiple follow-up questions. “Yes, sir,” he said when asked again if military aid was contingent upon a commitment to pursue an investigation. “I am,” he said when asked if he was aware “quid pro quo literally means this for that.”

Taylor also confirmed that Trump himself wanted Zelensky to announce an investigation into Biden and the 2016 election publicly. “But President Trump did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” he said.

This was corroborated by other witnesses, including George Kent, the deputy assistant to the secretary of state. “POTUS wanted nothing less than President Zelenskyy to go to microphone and say investigations, Biden and Clinton,” Kent testified of an exchange between Sondland and Tim Morrision, which was then relayed to Taylor.

tRump's reply
The day after Taylor’s testimony, Trump tweeted that “Never Trumper Republicans are “human scum.” Hours later he referred to Taylor as a “Never Trumper Diplomat.” - NO REFUTATION _ just an ad hominem attack

There is a list of similar corroborating testimony from
TIM MORISSON, ALEXANDER VIDMANN, FIONA HILL, LEV PARNAS and RON JOHNSON. How many credible witnesses does it take?

PENULTIMATELY

In the words of MULVANEY (Acting Chief of Staff) in an exchange with Jonathan Karl

Karl: “So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason that he ordered you to withhold funding to Ukraine?”

Mulvaney: “’Look back to what happened in 2016,’ certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with the nation. And that is absolutely equivalent.”

Karl: “What you described is a quid pro quo. It is: Funding will not flow unless the investigation into the Democrats’ server happens as well.”

Mulvaney: “We do that all the time with foreign policy. We were holding up money at the same time for, what was it? The Northern Triangle countries. We were holding up aid at the Northern Triangle countries so that they — so that they would change their policies on immigration.”

AND FINALLY (In the words of tRump HIMSELF)

Though Trump has repeatedly directed Americans to “READ THE TRANSCRIPT” of his July 25th call with Zelensky, the partial readout of the call released by the White House in September is actually pretty damning. After Zelensky mentions that Ukraine is willing to “cooperate” regarding military aid, Trump says, “I want you to do me a favor though,” before detailing the investigations he wants carried out. The “though” is a pretty explicit indication that the aid in question is contingent upon Ukraine launching the investigations details by the president.

In other words, it was a quid pro quo.


Unsafe_Sax_54 replies on 12/10/2019 2:26 am:
From "Rolling Stone"??? So much for unbiased. But thank you for confirming my statements. You regurgitated the core of the Dems' case without providing anything like proof of quid pro quo. Only your prejudiced interpretations.

In other words, you have a severe case of TDS.

bondjam33 70M
840 posts
12/10/2019 3:49 am

Somehow I think there are two parallel universes in existence here.
The one in which the majority dwell where facts are facts and truth is truth and the one in which people like you dwell where no matter what the facts are you prefer to defame the messenger and live in an alternate reality in which any lie fed to you by the right wing or shouted loudly enough by Republicans becomes true because you desperately wish it to be so - no matter how fanciful or far from reality it might be.
It does not matter in which media the facts are printed they remain FACTS.

Please refute the FACTS presented above - you know the actual testimony of the people directly QUOTED. If you cannot do so line by line and prove that they are not factually correct then all your bluster is pure bullshit.

Did Mulvaney or did he not, confirm that a quid pro quo was sought? Did tRump or did he not release a transcript with the words quoted above clearly part of it? If these two alone are not in dispute then there is no defence. I repeat there is NO DEFENCE.


bondjam33 70M
840 posts
12/10/2019 7:14 am

    Quoting  :

WTF has this to do with what I just posted?

I REPEAT (for the hard of reading)

"Did Mulvaney or did he not, confirm that a quid pro quo was sought? Did tRump or did he not release a transcript with the words quoted above clearly part of it? If these two alone are not in dispute then there is no defence. I repeat there is NO DEFENCE."


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
12/10/2019 8:19 am

Sorry, skippy (that you be you, bond): Not a word about quid pro quo from the ringmasters of the clown show. Guess your regurgitated word salad has no nutrition.


JerseyGirl2019 67F

12/10/2019 10:46 am

Charles Didn’t Kill Diana
Now That’s BS


JerseyGirl2019 67F

12/10/2019 3:47 pm

Excuse Me -He Didn’t Have Anything To Do With
That Car Wreck -Diana Claimed Months Before She Died
He Would Attempt Something -She Was A Very Angry Confused
Woman And Hated Charles!! The Driver Was Drunk!!
Case Closed On This Issue