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Lisztomania 69M
14025 posts
2/2/2019 3:33 pm
GOV. NORTHAM STEPS ON HIS CRANK, BACKS UP, STEPS ON IT AGAIN


Gov. Ralph Northam (D-Va) has managed to self-destruct redundantly in the last 48 hours or so. First, he seemed to endorse a "comfortable" infanticide for unwanted children AFTER they were born. A pediatrician by profession, Northam succeeded in staking out the most extreme pro-abortion position in the country. (Sorry, Hillary and Andrew Cuomo.) And he conjured up a vision of a newborn being made "comfortable" while the and Mengele-like physicians delivered a verdict of life or death.

I think Northam might have survived this, as I don't think Democrats would have abandoned him on this issue. But than he touched the new third rail of American politics -- he opened himself to a legitimate charge of racism. You've seen the picture from Northam's medical school yearbook, sure -- a white man in blackface drinking beer with a hooded Klansman. I don't think Northam can survive this. The further revelation that Northam's nickname in his undergraduate yearbook was "Coonman" didn't help much either. (I had a friend in school with the nickname "Koonman," but his last name was Koonce. He also has remarkably curly hair -- get it?)

Earlier today, Northam blundered again. In a press conference, Northam denied have been in the infamous photo after all, after having admitted to it the previous day. Many reasonable people asked themselves why he would have taken the for even a second if he thought it wasn't him in the pic.

So there's where things stand as of now. William J. Bennett published an analysis today in which he predicted that Northam would resign before the end of the Super Bowl. Bennett makes the point that Democrats have nothing to lose, as the Lieutenant Gov., who would tak Northam's place, is very accomplished black politician with the very Virginian name of Justin Fairfax. He is well-educated and well-spoken. and for Democrats this is catnip. Northam -- an older white guy with a rural Virginia accent -- can't compete.

I don't take any satisfaction in Northam's decline and fall because he has done much good in his life as an Army surgeon in Iraq and as a pediatrician. But I agree with Bill Bennett -- he's toast.


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/2/2019 3:49 pm

I still follow Virginia politics closely, as I was born, raised, and educated there. I was rooting for Republican Ed Gillespie in the governor's race in 2017. But I did like the fact that Northam was a native Virginia, and sounded like one. Virginia has had a series of carpetbagger governors like Terry McAuliffe.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3421 posts
2/2/2019 4:03 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I still follow Virginia politics closely, as I was born, raised, and educated there. I was rooting for Republican Ed Gillespie in the governor's race in 2017. But I did like the fact that Northam was a native Virginia, and sounded like one. Virginia has had a series of carpetbagger governors like Terry McAuliffe.
lisz , vacillation has doomed many . be they fall from the tree of politics , working class members and or members of this reverent site

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/2/2019 4:30 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz , vacillation has doomed many . be they fall from the tree of politics , working class members and or members of this reverent site
SFF is a microcosm of America. That's why I'm so worried about America.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3421 posts
2/2/2019 4:53 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    SFF is a microcosm of America. That's why I'm so worried about America.
oh my WISDOM PERSUNIFIDE .

Lisz , sad to admit there are members of this cesspool I wouldnt take to a hog killin.

here in the south, the highest compliment you can have for a friend or even a enemy is inviting them to a hog killin.

sorry to say, some here about don't pass the muster test.

we have had politicians open campaigns at hog killings, folks git engaged.

one of the most colorful times was back in late 50 whence a young fellow took a young lady as his bride as they daddies was klling and butchering a hog. the preacher stopped the vows as they hung the hog.

I still lookt at photos of that and get misty

that's why you don't in vite reprobates to a sacred even of hallowed grounds

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


MrsJoe 71F
10108 posts
2/2/2019 8:24 pm

I think it is wrong to go back decades and crucify someone for silly behavior when they were young using the standards of today. But, his changing story is a bit odd.
I'm sure he will make his decision to resign or not based on what is best for him and his family.
I'm more concerned about this "new" advanced thinking on abortion. It seems there are some who believe it is ok to wait until a baby is about to be born, and decide to kill it in the womb..... or drag it out and then decide whether to "allow" it to live or die.
However, some of those same people would scream for someone to be prosecuted and put in jail for putting down their own animal.


Live happier. You don't have to attend every argument to which you are invited.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/2/2019 8:25 pm

No kidding! I thought at first that he was misrepresented, then I thought he was also a very bad communicator.......Now I think he is one hot mess and better for everyone if he resigns.


starwomyn 65F
6119 posts
2/2/2019 8:52 pm

It seems like the man has lived an honorable life despite the college antics from 30 plus years ago. He absolutely should not resign over that.

People are going to have different views on the abortion issue. Many of the states are revamping the laws because of concern over a potential supreme court ruling regarding Roe versus Wade. West Virginia has actually tightened the regulations which means that women go across the border to get the procedure done and pay for it themselves.

Despite the changes, women are not going to be seeking unfettered late term abortions unless something has gone very wrong. There is a case where a young woman died along with her fetus because she declined cancer treatment. Late term abortions can be done if the fetus is not viable or unlikely to survive birth. This is a decision between the doctor and the mother versus the mother and the government.

Abortions are like guns. Outlawing them is not going to stop people from having them
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Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/2/2019 10:25 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I think it is wrong to go back decades and crucify someone for silly behavior when they were young using the standards of today. But, his changing story is a bit odd.
    I'm sure he will make his decision to resign or not based on what is best for him and his family.
    I'm more concerned about this "new" advanced thinking on abortion. It seems there are some who believe it is ok to wait until a baby is about to be born, and decide to kill it in the womb..... or drag it out and then decide whether to "allow" it to live or die.
    However, some of those same people would scream for someone to be prosecuted and put in jail for putting down their own animal.
I agree wih your thinking. As far as the yearbook photo, I asked myself if I might have done such a foolish thing. I'm about 9 years older than Northam, so when I was 25 it was even a less enlightened age. Still, the answer came back to me -- no way, no way would I have done that. 1984 was way, way past the day when you could get by with blackface and "coon" jokes. Frankly, I had to think that Northam is not the sharpest tool in the woodshed.

You're right, the infanticide issue is more troubling. Again, Northam didn't seem to be aware of the effect or consequences of his words. Dems are not blasting him for this issue, but I bet many Dems don't want to defend this extreme position.


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/2/2019 10:29 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    No kidding! I thought at first that he was misrepresented, then I thought he was also a very bad communicator.......Now I think he is one hot mess and better for everyone if he resigns.
Hey, we agree! Mirabile dictu!


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/2/2019 10:39 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    It seems like the man has lived an honorable life despite the college antics from 30 plus years ago. He absolutely should not resign over that.

    People are going to have different views on the abortion issue. Many of the states are revamping the laws because of concern over a potential supreme court ruling regarding Roe versus Wade. West Virginia has actually tightened the regulations which means that women go across the border to get the procedure done and pay for it themselves.

    Despite the changes, women are not going to be seeking unfettered late term abortions unless something has gone very wrong. There is a case where a young woman died along with her fetus because she declined cancer treatment. Late term abortions can be done if the fetus is not viable or unlikely to survive birth. This is a decision between the doctor and the mother versus the mother and the government.

    Abortions are like guns. Outlawing them is not going to stop people from having them.
Good points. Northam has clearly lived a useful life, a life of service. Many would be inclined to give him a pass for a bonehead decision in grad school But the Dems will not. Democrats cannot possibly resist the instinct to virtue-signal about race. It is their stock in trade. All the leading Democrats in Virginia have now urged him to resign. I think he has a matter of days before the pressure becomes unbearable.


bijou649 69F
241 posts
2/3/2019 7:03 am

Liszt, I'm having a very different reaction to this situation, and it has nothing to do with what political party the governor is involved with. In the photo of the African American next to the KKK member, it looked to me like a photo of the two characters as friends having fun together. Regardless of how the Klan hates African Americans, when I saw the pic it showed that any two people on earth could put aside their fear and hate and become friends. Maybe the African American character has proven to the KKK member that hate based on skin colour is wrong, and that's why they're going to the party together.

Then I heard so many people saying it was also racist and wrong for the governor to dress up as Michael Jackson and put some black on his face for a dance contest. To me it was a loving tribute to the magic of Michael Jackson. I painted a portrait of Michael Jackson, not because I'm racist but because I loved him.


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/3/2019 8:38 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    Liszt, I'm having a very different reaction to this situation, and it has nothing to do with what political party the governor is involved with. In the photo of the African American next to the KKK member, it looked to me like a photo of the two characters as friends having fun together. Regardless of how the Klan hates African Americans, when I saw the pic it showed that any two people on earth could put aside their fear and hate and become friends. Maybe the African American character has proven to the KKK member that hate based on skin colour is wrong, and that's why they're going to the party together.

    Then I heard so many people saying it was also racist and wrong for the governor to dress up as Michael Jackson and put some black on his face for a dance contest. To me it was a loving tribute to the magic of Michael Jackson. I painted a portrait of Michael Jackson, not because I'm racist but because I loved him.
That's a very original take on the photo. The Klansman is not putting a noose around the black guy's neck, he is partying with him.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/3/2019 9:02 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    Liszt, I'm having a very different reaction to this situation, and it has nothing to do with what political party the governor is involved with. In the photo of the African American next to the KKK member, it looked to me like a photo of the two characters as friends having fun together. Regardless of how the Klan hates African Americans, when I saw the pic it showed that any two people on earth could put aside their fear and hate and become friends. Maybe the African American character has proven to the KKK member that hate based on skin colour is wrong, and that's why they're going to the party together.

    Then I heard so many people saying it was also racist and wrong for the governor to dress up as Michael Jackson and put some black on his face for a dance contest. To me it was a loving tribute to the magic of Michael Jackson. I painted a portrait of Michael Jackson, not because I'm racist but because I loved him.
You can dress up as Micheal Jackson as a tribute without painting your face black......for one thing, MJ did not have a black face.........and neither do most African Americans.....there are many aspects of Humans that can be emphasized in a costume that doesn't include black-face........Apparently you don't understand the history of Black-Face and Minstral Shows and how they insulted and demeaned the African Americans.........Even if you don't, the Governor of a Southern state should........


MrsJoe 71F
10108 posts
2/3/2019 9:05 am

Interesting thoughts. I agree about the MJ incident, but African Americans have a different take on any white person putting on black face for any reason, tribute or not. That is likely the objection to the black face and KKK costumes also. It is seen as ridicule poked at folks with real black skin.

Live happier. You don't have to attend every argument to which you are invited.


starwomyn 65F
6119 posts
2/3/2019 9:17 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You can dress up as Micheal Jackson as a tribute without painting your face black......for one thing, MJ did not have a black face.........and neither do most African Americans.....there are many aspects of Humans that can be emphasized in a costume that doesn't include black-face........Apparently you don't understand the history of Black-Face and Minstral Shows and how they insulted and demeaned the African Americans.........Even if you don't, the Governor of a Southern state should........
Northam was not the Governor of a Southern State when he went to a costume party at a college party 30 plus years ago. He eventually graduated, became a doctor, an Army surgeon in Iraq and a pediatrician. Right or wrong, attitudes were a whole lot different 30 plus years ago versus what they are today. The life he led after graduating from Med School is far more important than antics at a Frat party decades ago. If he is doing an okay job as a Governor, he should stay. People voted him in and they can vote him out after he finishes his terms.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/3/2019 9:37 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    It seems like the man has lived an honorable life despite the college antics from 30 plus years ago. He absolutely should not resign over that.

    People are going to have different views on the abortion issue. Many of the states are revamping the laws because of concern over a potential supreme court ruling regarding Roe versus Wade. West Virginia has actually tightened the regulations which means that women go across the border to get the procedure done and pay for it themselves.

    Despite the changes, women are not going to be seeking unfettered late term abortions unless something has gone very wrong. There is a case where a young woman died along with her fetus because she declined cancer treatment. Late term abortions can be done if the fetus is not viable or unlikely to survive birth. This is a decision between the doctor and the mother versus the mother and the government.

    Abortions are like guns. Outlawing them is not going to stop people from having them.
I agree with you on the abortion thing......I spent 6 months in the ICU of a large city children's hospital with my baby daughter....The nurses were over-extended and I asked if I could help. I started by just cuddling the babies,then feeding them, then feeding the ones with feeding tubes and other special needs. I got to know a lot about sick babies in general.

Medical practice has changed rapidly, especially our ability to keep people alive with life-support technology. We got so good at it that a situation developed that we never had before. We can now sustain indefinitely, the life of someone in a vegetative state. The ethics had always been to keep Humans alive as long as possible.

As our knowledge and technology improved, the medical community began asking questions about the ethics of extending life as long as possible........under all circumstances. Changes were and are continually being made....Society moves slowly in these areas.....there have been many court cases.

I have worked with children who are vegetative, or almost, who have severe seizures every few minutes.....babies whose heads are so big they will never lift them......children who can't eat or breathe on their own and some who are in severe pain all the time.....The ethics of the recent past required that these children who are destined to live short, non lives should be kept alive as long as possible........This is changing.....Sometimes the severity of the baby's condition isn't detected until close to or after birth. This is what Northam was talking about........He's a doctor who has delivered thousands of babies and is very familiar with the situation.

His mistake is in not understanding his constuent's lack of knowledge and experience and how much they are triggered by the idea of abortion. The black-face incident also shows his inability to understand his position and his constituents.......like Liszt says.....he keeps stepping on it. Maybe he would better serve the people as an educator.
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Maisie2013 67F
19134 posts
2/3/2019 9:42 am

Interesting comments. Brings up the question - when is imitation flattery , and when is it ridicule? And when is it just plain funny? Do all the comedic impressionist and imitators have an nefarious agenda? Or are they just playing ?
I noticed comedians falling all over themselves to imitate Trump, but few would take on Obama . Fear?
HW loved Dana Carvey doing him . He called it Mr Rogers trying to do John Wayne.
I would say before we all got so damn touchy , it was just being funny.

A little PS- In about the 4th grade , my son came home with an award for the best Halloween costume. I wasn't aware he was even going to participate. He had purloined an old bathrobe of mine, a shower cap, a pair of my reading glasses and a coffee cup. His teacher said he walked around zombie like , moaning " coffee, coffee" . When asked , he said he was imitating his Mom in the morning. Cheeky fellow, indeed.


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/3/2019 9:49 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You can dress up as Micheal Jackson as a tribute without painting your face black......for one thing, MJ did not have a black face.........and neither do most African Americans.....there are many aspects of Humans that can be emphasized in a costume that doesn't include black-face........Apparently you don't understand the history of Black-Face and Minstral Shows and how they insulted and demeaned the African Americans.........Even if you don't, the Governor of a Southern state should........
The minstrel show did indeed involve mockery of "lazy" and "shiftless" (but happy and harmless) blacks. But I wanted to add this musico-historical point: it was almost entirely a northern phenomenon -- even when the group was given a name like the Virginia Minstrels. That was the name of Dan Emmett's ensemble, and Emmett was an Ohioan. He also composed "Dixie," but he was a Yankee sympathizer through and through. Another very prominent group, Christy's Minstrels, was based in Buffalo NY.

People forget that the entire county was "racist" by modern definitions throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.


sparkleflit 71F
3921 posts
2/3/2019 9:53 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Northam was not the Governor of a Southern State when he went to a costume party at a college party 30 plus years ago. He eventually graduated, became a doctor, an Army surgeon in Iraq and a pediatrician. Right or wrong, attitudes were a whole lot different 30 plus years ago versus what they are today. The life he led after graduating from Med School is far more important than antics at a Frat party decades ago. If he is doing an okay job as a Governor, he should stay. People voted him in and they can vote him out after he finishes his terms.
He apologized for the photo ...a long and elaborate apology..., Then, next day, he said it wasn't him ..I'm not saying he's a bad person or doesn't deserve to keep his post., I just think he's made a mess and lost the trust of his constituents.......maybe he could regain it....


Lisztomania 69M
10413 posts
2/3/2019 10:50 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    He apologized for the photo ...a long and elaborate apology..., Then, next day, he said it wasn't him ..I'm not saying he's a bad person or doesn't deserve to keep his post., I just think he's made a mess and lost the trust of his constituents.......maybe he could regain it....
He has certainly lost all his political support. Whether the proverbial man in the street is up in arms, I don't know. But he has managed to antagonize left and right and his series of stumbles call into question his basic competence. I don't think he can survive.


bijou649 69F
241 posts
2/3/2019 11:11 am

Well I guess we all see things from our own perspective. The governor could have imitated someone else in that dance contest, but I think he loved Michael Jackson's Moonwalk so he imitated him. He could have gone into the contest with a white face but maybe to honour M.J., the African American who previewed the Moonwalk on t.v., the governor put a little black on his face. I don't see that as racist at all. I used to be a dance teacher, and once I taught a group how to do the Moonwalk. It's easier than it looks. The Moonwalk is a dance that I saw in an old black and white movie, and danced by two African American men. M.J. didn't invent the dance. About a week before he performed it on t.v. he paid a young African American break dancer $100. to teach him how to do it.


bijou649 69F
241 posts
2/3/2019 11:13 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    That's a very original take on the photo. The Klansman is not putting a noose around the black guy's neck, he is partying with him.
Exactly. They've become friends.


kneedtwoplease 63M
949 posts
2/3/2019 5:56 pm

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