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Lisztomania 69M
14094 posts
1/12/2019 6:06 pm
I ADMIT IT, TREASON WAS COMMITTED


Leaf and Jiminy are all atwitter by the NYT article to the effect that the FBI had opened a counterintelligence probe in the immediate aftermath of the firing of James Comey, aka the "Cardinal." The implication was that Trump was in fact a Soviet agent, despite an absolute absence of evidence to support this.

At the same time, there is a large body of evidence suggesting that elements at the top of the FBI were attempting to end Trump's presidency by an administrative putsch. This is the act of treason. An attempt to overthrow a duly elected administration is treason, pure and simple, and there is ample evidence that FBI tops guns Comey, Rosenstein, and Strzock were doing precisely that. The FBI and the DOJ generally were deeply threatened by the election of Trump. DOJ employees supported Hillary with an astonishing 97% of their campaign donations. The FBI basically became an Inquisition dedicated to burning Trump at the stake. Rosenstein was caught saying he would wear a wire to entrap Trump.

In an excellence piece appearing on the Fox News site, Newt Gingrich had this to say:


"The senior members of the Justice Department (all promoted under the Obama administration) were clearly prepared to go all-out to repudiate the verdict of the American people in the 2016 election.

Further, these were Justice Department bureaucrats who had ignored the Clinton Foundation scandals, minimized the investigation into the Clinton email and Internet scandal, and ignored former President Clinton collecting money from Russians overseas while his wife was secretary of state."

All of this was complicated by the pusillanimity of Jeff Sessions, the man who should have overseen all of this.

But for Leaf/Jiminy the accusation is the conviction. Both have had their dresses blown up over their heads by the NYT story, and are clutching their pearls.

But who in fact committed treason? Answer: the unelected pooh-bahs of the DOJ who were all clutching their pearls over the election of Trump. Let's face it: We have a Gestapo who have the power to arrest, to kick down doors of citizens and even an attorney's office, hold targets in solitary confinement, and coerce confessions by threatening them with incarceration and bankruptcy.

This is not the America I grew up in.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/12/2019 6:15 pm

Keep clutching 'em, Leaf and Jiminy.


Unsafe_Sax_54 64M
1430 posts
1/12/2019 7:07 pm

I keep wondering if Comey was involved in getting all of those FBI files to Hilly back in Bill's cigar days.

Would explain a lot.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/12/2019 7:16 pm

lisz, sadly I believe it goes deeper than coney, lynch, strzock and robenstein .

jeff sadly failed. why I have not a clue.

i suspect , hills as well as obama was involved an or complicite.

i am realistic that nothing will ever happen to any of the players.

i say that knowing jfk was killed and no one was or will ever be held responsible.

the powerful stay powersful. they own folks.

i will not be shocked nor surprised if trump loses in 2020.

THE SWAMP PROTECTS ITS CREATURES.

as i have said, there is coming a day when the quiet innocent has has enought.

anarchy will be a mild word for the action of the PATRIOTS OF OUR REPUBLIC.

2016 showed the polls were flawed. the future is froth with elements of rebellion should we feel so inclinded.

i post these words often,DEO VINDICE. i doubt many understand the real meaning.

2020 will mark the future of our nation.

one needs only read or view the mind set of the recent elected members of congress.

POKE THE BEAR AT YOUR OWN RISK.

AOC , NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT THAT MEANS

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/12/2019 7:40 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz, sadly I believe it goes deeper than coney, lynch, strzock and robenstein .

    jeff sadly failed. why I have not a clue.

    i suspect , hills as well as obama was involved an or complicite.

    i am realistic that nothing will ever happen to any of the players.

    i say that knowing jfk was killed and no one was or will ever be held responsible.

    the powerful stay powersful. they own folks.

    i will not be shocked nor surprised if trump loses in 2020.

    THE SWAMP PROTECTS ITS CREATURES.

    as i have said, there is coming a day when the quiet innocent has has enought.

    anarchy will be a mild word for the action of the PATRIOTS OF OUR REPUBLIC.

    2016 showed the polls were flawed. the future is froth with elements of rebellion should we feel so inclinded.

    i post these words often,DEO VINDICE. i doubt many understand the real meaning.

    2020 will mark the future of our nation.

    one needs only read or view the mind set of the recent elected members of congress.

    POKE THE BEAR AT YOUR OWN RISK.

    AOC , NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT THAT MEANS
"THE SWAMP PROTECTS ITS CREATURES."

How true, how true. Trump is the first GOP prez in my lifetime to try to tame their excesses. They truly believe they are and should be the ruling class.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
1/12/2019 8:18 pm

"This is not the America I grew up in. "
But perhaps it is, more than we ever realized. One name comes to mind: J. Edgar Hoover.


If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


Unsafe_Sax_54 64M
1430 posts
1/12/2019 8:28 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    "This is not the America I grew up in. "
    But perhaps it is, more than we ever realized. One name comes to mind: J. Edgar Hoover.
I was thinking LBJ offing JFK.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/12/2019 8:55 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    "THE SWAMP PROTECTS ITS CREATURES."

    How true, how true. Trump is the first GOP prez in my lifetime to try to tame their excesses. They truly believe they are and should be the ruling class.
one passing thought.

tyranny , sums up the events of the day.

we fought tyranny in1861 and lost.

this time we will win.

our nation sides with us.

the silent ones are not to be taken lightly .

once again , 2016 showed we can, 2020 will show we will. if not

pity the ones that stand in our way.

DEO VINDICE

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


starwomyn 65F
6277 posts
1/12/2019 9:17 pm

They are busy endlessly investigating each other instead of doing their jobs. Maybe Bill Clinton can give them all of Hillary's cigars. They might learn something.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
1/12/2019 9:48 pm

I heard the story yesterday. Like everything Trump and fish .. the longer it's around the more it stinks.

I believed Comey's story at time he was fired .... Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him. Coincidence? A short time later Michael Flynn is a convicted felon. Convicted of lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian Ambassador.

Funny thing … I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President" … he's fired and no explanation is needed .


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/12/2019 10:44 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    "This is not the America I grew up in. "
    But perhaps it is, more than we ever realized. One name comes to mind: J. Edgar Hoover.
Hoover was certainly an odious guy and your point is well taken.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/12/2019 10:52 pm

You're right, that was the classic coup d'état. Trump would be well-advised to avoid riding in an open car in a motorcade.


bob77O21__ 76M
8307 posts
1/12/2019 10:53 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    They are busy endlessly investigating each other instead of doing their jobs. Maybe Bill Clinton can give them all of Hillary's cigars. They might learn something.
I'm not sure they're capable of learning anything.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
1/13/2019 12:08 am

    Quoting  :

I totally agree....... did we not see it in the beginning because they were better at covering it up, we didn't have so much cable news 24/7, or we were busy with life and now we spend more time on politics?
BTW, why the new profile?


If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
1/13/2019 5:37 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    I heard the story yesterday. Like everything Trump and fish .. the longer it's around the more it stinks.

    I believed Comey's story at time he was fired .... Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him. Coincidence? A short time later Michael Flynn is a convicted felon. Convicted of lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian Ambassador.

    Funny thing … I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President" … he's fired and no explanation is needed .
The Flynn investigation was a KGB-like action. Find the man, then create a crime. Now-fired McCabe told Flynn he didn't need a lawyer. He did. Comey said he sent the agents to talk to Flynn. The agents said he didn't lie. Comey also said he wouldn't have gotten away with what they did to Flynn in another administration- one that wasn't so trusting, and so willing to believe that in the US we just dont try to trap people, but are honest.
There are two standards of law enforcement- one for Clinton cronies, and one for Trump connected individuals.
If you are honest, and really dig into it, you will see how differently each group was treated. But you are not interested in the truth. You believe the end- destroying Trump- justifies the means. Destroy any and all lives whose only crimes have been being associated with Trump.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
1/13/2019 5:45 am

I am sure our resident Trump-is-evil experts did not read the entire NYTimes article. Buried on page 87 , is the conclusion that NOTHING HAPPENED. They found NOTHING, and despite opening an unfounded investigation, there was nothing there.
This investigation should have demonstrated there is a Deep State, and they were attempting a Third World -like coup, not that Trump had done something wrong.
This should have scared the crap out of every elected person- on both sides of the aisle- to know there are people who can destroy them and their families, for no other crime than being on the wrong political side.
The Clintons and their cronies, were , and I am sure still are, very powerful. They are ruthless people who have spent their entire political careers in the pursuit of power and money, and stopped at nothing to get it. Just ask Seth Rich and Vince Foster's families.


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
1/13/2019 7:43 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    They are busy endlessly investigating each other instead of doing their jobs. Maybe Bill Clinton can give them all of Hillary's cigars. They might learn something.
What are their jobs?

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
1/13/2019 8:49 am

That would be, in session, working with their opponents, to write legislation, discuss and vote on what the people said they wanted in 2016, and 2018.
Instead Democrats are in Puerto Rico, partying it up with lobbyists in $ 500 a night suites.
Trump has been working since Dec 22, while Democrats are MIA.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 8:57 am

    Quoting  :

Sadly, I have to agree. The DC Swamp has been around for a long time.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
1/13/2019 9:05 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Sadly, I have to agree. The DC Swamp has been around for a long time.
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"......... we need term limits. Perhaps that would help drain the swamp faster than one lone man who only has 8 years to do it.

If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
1/13/2019 9:05 am

So we have it.. the conspiracy theorist..

I don't know what specifically the counter intelligence investigation knows..

I know what it doesn't mean....As to open one REQUIRES EVIDENCE.. To maintain one REQUIRES evidence

The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION..

This has changed it.......

It now goes the other way around..

THE EVIDENCE is Trump's Collusion... and the inference is to his people....that's what it takes to open a counter intelligence investigation.. All those people Mueller has indicted.. every single one them...Has got caught, not because of their collusion.. but because, of Trump and Russia.. They don't prove Trump's guilt.. Trump's guilt proves their guilt of collusion.. Those indicted, except for maybe Manafort, did the deed....but didn't have the intent.. Trump and Russia were moving the pawns.

This is NOT a conspiracy.....The evidence of Trump collusion and obstruction.. will no longer be indirect..We think that collusion and obstruction are separate.. Collusion with Russia to get elected. An obstruction to protect Trump's election and his people

But this changes..... When the obstruction becomes the collusion..Collusion to get elected NO LONGER MATTERS.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 10:38 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So we have it.. the conspiracy theorist..

    I don't know what specifically the counter intelligence investigation knows..

    I know what it doesn't mean....As to open one REQUIRES EVIDENCE.. To maintain one REQUIRES evidence

    The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION..

    This has changed it.......

    It now goes the other way around..

    THE EVIDENCE is Trump's Collusion... and the inference is to his people....that's what it takes to open a counter intelligence investigation.. All those people Mueller has indicted.. every single one them...Has got caught, not because of their collusion.. but because, of Trump and Russia.. They don't prove Trump's guilt.. Trump's guilt proves their guilt of collusion.. Those indicted, except for maybe Manafort, did the deed....but didn't have the intent.. Trump and Russia were moving the pawns.

    This is NOT a conspiracy.....The evidence of Trump collusion and obstruction.. will no longer be indirect..We think that collusion and obstruction are separate.. Collusion with Russia to get elected. An obstruction to protect Trump's election and his people

    But this changes..... When the obstruction becomes the collusion..Collusion to get elected NO LONGER MATTERS.
Jiminy, don't strain your brain by thinking too much. You just get more confused.

Surely you know that that counterintelligence probe of Trump was closed in just a few days and the whole Russia matter was subsumed into Mueller's investigation. IF Mueller has been sitting on evidence that Trump has been Putin's puppet for the last 20 months, he has done the country an incredible disservice by suppressing this evidence -- as he wastes time kicking in Manafort's door SS-style in the nighttime to bust him for unrelated financial crimes.

I defy anyone to make sense of this paragraph:

"The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION.."

WTF?


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/13/2019 12:52 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Jiminy, don't strain your brain by thinking too much. You just get more confused.

    Surely you know that that counterintelligence probe of Trump was closed in just a few days and the whole Russia matter was subsumed into Mueller's investigation. IF Mueller has been sitting on evidence that Trump has been Putin's puppet for the last 20 months, he has done the country an incredible disservice by suppressing this evidence -- as he wastes time kicking in Manafort's door SS-style in the nighttime to bust him for unrelated financial crimes.

    I defy anyone to make sense of this paragraph:

    "The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION.."

    WTF?
lisz, good luck deciphering any thing jc posts.

what is really scary , he says he works for irs.

there are no words to express how messed up the irs is, and jc being a part of it.

dayum, here in DIXIE , we like to call that a clusterf**k

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
1/13/2019 1:05 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Jiminy, don't strain your brain by thinking too much. You just get more confused.

    Surely you know that that counterintelligence probe of Trump was closed in just a few days and the whole Russia matter was subsumed into Mueller's investigation. IF Mueller has been sitting on evidence that Trump has been Putin's puppet for the last 20 months, he has done the country an incredible disservice by suppressing this evidence -- as he wastes time kicking in Manafort's door SS-style in the nighttime to bust him for unrelated financial crimes.

    I defy anyone to make sense of this paragraph:

    "The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION.."

    WTF?
The indictment of Trump's People.. is suppose to INFER Trump's involvement.
It certainly doesn't do that completely and leaves the door open. For Trump to say NO Collusion.

But the investigation is not based on that... Trump's collusion infers his Peoples involvement.. It's his people that can say, for themselves, there was NO Collusion ..
They weren't colluding with Russians.. Trump was..All except Manafort.. who actually was. At his point , and what Friday night tells us..about the investigation.... is that Trump and Manafort are the only two, we know at this point, that are going to be indicted for conspiring with Russians.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 2:21 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The indictment of Trump's People.. is suppose to INFER Trump's involvement.
    It certainly doesn't do that completely and leaves the door open. For Trump to say NO Collusion.

    But the investigation is not based on that... Trump's collusion infers his Peoples involvement.. It's his people that can say, for themselves, there was NO Collusion ..
    They weren't colluding with Russians.. Trump was..All except Manafort.. who actually was. At his point , and what Friday night tells us..about the investigation.... is that Trump and Manafort are the only two, we know at this point, that are going to be indicted for conspiring with Russians.
You're talking through the wazoo. You can't state flatly that Trump will be indicted, no matter how much you wish it.

Also try to learn the difference between "infer" and "imply."


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 2:35 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz, good luck deciphering any thing jc posts.

    what is really scary , he says he works for irs.

    there are no words to express how messed up the irs is, and jc being a part of it.

    dayum, here in DIXIE , we like to call that a clusterf**k
He and Leaf make quite a team -- sort of like Laurel & Hardy.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 3:02 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    I heard the story yesterday. Like everything Trump and fish .. the longer it's around the more it stinks.

    I believed Comey's story at time he was fired .... Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him. Coincidence? A short time later Michael Flynn is a convicted felon. Convicted of lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian Ambassador.

    Funny thing … I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President" … he's fired and no explanation is needed .
Dusty, it's clear that you follow the news closely, which is good, but you never get it quite right. Take for example this statement:

" Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him."

This is just not how it happened. Trump asked Comey if he could go easy on Flynn. Comey recalls his words as follows:

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

This is entirely different from what you stated. I can't see where this is even improper, much less illegal. It is certainly not obstruction of justice. You go on to crow that Flynn was a convicted felon. This is a cheap shot, as his felony was a process crime, something caused by the investigation itself, therefore a form of entrapment. And it was sickening that Rosenstein said he didn't need legal counsel. Just a couple of our boys coming over to shoot the sh*t with you, Mike.

And then this statement:

" I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President"

And your point is? It's absolutely true. You think Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch didn't serve at the pleasure of Obama? If Obama had removed either, no special counsel would have been sought.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
1/13/2019 6:44 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    He and Leaf make quite a team -- sort of like Laurel & Hardy.
You and Hiram make quite a team too.....sort of like a sinister Bert and Ernie.....


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/13/2019 8:17 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram make quite a team too.....sort of like a sinister Bert and Ernie.....
well my lovely... you and Carolina panther reminds me of beavis and butthead.

which are you . the butt or the head

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 8:36 pm

    Quoting  :

The problem is there is absolutely no evidence to support this. The crimes that Manafort was charged with predated his association with the Trump campaign by several year.

So many anti-Trumpers cling to the hope that Trump will be convicted of graft of some sort. Why would he risk it? The best case for old-time graft is against the Clintons. And also collusion with Russia (the uranium sale.)


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/13/2019 8:44 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram make quite a team too.....sort of like a sinister Bert and Ernie.....
You and Panther are also quite a team. Shall we say Scylla and Charybdis? You can be Scylla.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
1/13/2019 11:30 pm

Good try there, Bert and Ernie, but you really should try to find out what the word "team" means........


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
1/14/2019 7:02 am

    Quoting  :

Uh- because Trump didn't know a damn thing about the inner workings of Manafort's finances. You run a quick background check, maybe, or you just hire people you know . The charges against Manafort had nothing to do with the Trump campaign, and you know it.
You and the rest of clueless suffering from TDS , are trying to connect to Trump everyone who ever knew a person , who had a relative , whose 6th cousin, knew a guy who lived next door to a person suspected in the 1950's of being Russian spy.
AH HA!!!!!!! This PROVES Trump is working for the Russians.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
1/14/2019 7:52 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Uh- because Trump didn't know a damn thing about the inner workings of Manafort's finances. You run a quick background check, maybe, or you just hire people you know . The charges against Manafort had nothing to do with the Trump campaign, and you know it.
    You and the rest of clueless suffering from TDS , are trying to connect to Trump everyone who ever knew a person , who had a relative , whose 6th cousin, knew a guy who lived next door to a person suspected in the 1950's of being Russian spy.
    AH HA!!!!!!! This PROVES Trump is working for the Russians.
You keep getting it bassackwards...

Trump is not being tied to Manafort.. Manafort is being tied to Trump.

Of all these people investigated... Only Manafort is a Co-conspirator with the Russians.. Every other person investigated.. was investigated for being duped. That's why they roll, and Manafort doesn't....

Manafort is the only one, up to this point.. that doesn't prove Trump guilt of conspiracy with Russia..But only proves his own. Manafort's guilt doesn't prove Trump's guilt .. But Trump's guilt proves Manafort guilt..
Manafort. is only one .. that can't make a deal... because he goes down with Trump. He cant' be saved. Unless Trump comes out clean
There is no way a background check of Manafort wouldn't see his ties to Russia
So either Trumps is an idiot. or he accepted Manafort. in spite of what EVERYBODY knew.. Trump's arrogance about that was amazing..
But you know Trump's a "winner".. and Trump was going to make damn sure...He would not be a "loser"..... if he lost the election.. He needed a WIN/WIN situation
So.....if one considers his advantages and ties to Russia.. if he lost..
It only becomes a problem, covering up and covering his ass-ets.. If he WINS.
But, Trump's idea of what it is to be President.. made that idea of a "covering" a simple one to achieve..Little did he know.. that in OUR government... Nothing is simple..


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
1/14/2019 8:19 am

I talked about the counter intelligence investigation.. NOT being a Choice.. It wasn't even a choice in the Obama administration.. The significant evidence was being dismissed without further evidence

This makes that point CLEAR..
No other person, with any power, beside a Presidential candidate and President.. would NOT have been counter intelligence investigated by CHOICE... If Manafort was connected to them.. The intelligence agencies didn't look into Manafort, didn't pry and investigated Manafort to get this information.. It was clear as day.. from day one.
The connection was always there.. but not the CRIME....
When the intelligence agencies had NO CHOICE but to investigated the CRIME.. Then Manafort got investigated. They weren't investigating Manafort's crime.. because Manafort didn't commit a crime ...without the President.....they were investigating the President's CRIME.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 10:59 am

    Quoting  :

I am not your research assistant, but I can correct one error out of my head: Daddy Bush was never SecDef. I suspect the rest of your account is equally inaccurate.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 11:05 am

    Quoting  :

A pardon can be granted on Trump's last day in office, if need be. Quit gloating prematurely.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 11:24 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You keep getting it bassackwards...

    Trump is not being tied to Manafort.. Manafort is being tied to Trump.

    Of all these people investigated... Only Manafort is a Co-conspirator with the Russians.. Every other person investigated.. was investigated for being duped. That's why they roll, and Manafort doesn't....

    Manafort is the only one, up to this point.. that doesn't prove Trump guilt of conspiracy with Russia..But only proves his own. Manafort's guilt doesn't prove Trump's guilt .. But Trump's guilt proves Manafort guilt..
    Manafort. is only one .. that can't make a deal... because he goes down with Trump. He cant' be saved. Unless Trump comes out clean
    There is no way a background check of Manafort wouldn't see his ties to Russia
    So either Trumps is an idiot. or he accepted Manafort. in spite of what EVERYBODY knew.. Trump's arrogance about that was amazing..
    But you know Trump's a "winner".. and Trump was going to make damn sure...He would not be a "loser"..... if he lost the election.. He needed a WIN/WIN situation
    So.....if one considers his advantages and ties to Russia.. if he lost..
    It only becomes a problem, covering up and covering his ass-ets.. If he WINS.
    But, Trump's idea of what it is to be President.. made that idea of a "covering" a simple one to achieve..Little did he know.. that in OUR government... Nothing is simple..
JC, you seem to forget that "ties" to Russia were not seen as sinister in the post-Cold War era prior to Trump's election. Don't you remember when Obama was caught on a hot mic colluding with Russian president Medneyev? Don't you remember Obama's debate putdown of Mitt Romney when he suggested Russia was our most dangerous enemy? I'll remind you: "Mitt, the 80's called and they want their foreign policy back" YuckYuck. Don't you remember Bill Clinton accepting a $500,000 speaking fee while his wife was Sec of State?

The historical hypocrisy of Trump-haters like you is astonishing.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 11:28 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Good try there, Bert and Ernie, but you really should try to find out what the word "team" means........
If you are saying that you are by nature unable to work in concert with anyone, I would be inclined to believe you, you ornery old cuss. But CP is definitely on your team, and I see no daylight between your positions and hers.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/14/2019 1:06 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Good try there, Bert and Ernie, but you really should try to find out what the word "team" means........
my lovely morsel, I , as many others here know what teams means.

now I might add that a team can be 2 or more seeking the same mutual conclusion.

an yes, a threesome is a team.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
1/14/2019 1:15 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    If you are saying that you are by nature unable to work in concert with anyone, I would be inclined to believe you, you ornery old cuss. But CP is definitely on your team, and I see no daylight between your positions and hers.
lisz,

please , if I might CONFESS . I just threw up in my mouth.

the visual of lulu and cp in "any position" would caused immediate and most likely permanent E .D

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
1/14/2019 1:42 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    JC, you seem to forget that "ties" to Russia were not seen as sinister in the post-Cold War era prior to Trump's election. Don't you remember when Obama was caught on a hot mic colluding with Russian president Medneyev? Don't you remember Obama's debate putdown of Mitt Romney when he suggested Russia was our most dangerous enemy? I'll remind you: "Mitt, the 80's called and they want their foreign policy back" YuckYuck. Don't you remember Bill Clinton accepting a $500,000 speaking fee while his wife was Sec of State?

    The historical hypocrisy of Trump-haters like you is astonishing.
You just never see the in between.

There is a difference in defending.. and in supporting

If you want to make Russia the ENEMY.. Id' say your foolish to think that way.

If you want to Make Russia Our Friend... I 'd say your even more foolish to think that way.

Because I disagree with you... doesn't mean I agree with everyone else that disagrees with you.... The subject determines the disagreement not the whole idea.. disagreement is also not a support of the right solution.. it's a disagreement because you have the wrong answer.. it says nothing about what is the right.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 4:56 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You just never see the in between.

    There is a difference in defending.. and in supporting

    If you want to make Russia the ENEMY.. Id' say your foolish to think that way.

    If you want to Make Russia Our Friend... I 'd say your even more foolish to think that way.

    Because I disagree with you... doesn't mean I agree with everyone else that disagrees with you.... The subject determines the disagreement not the whole idea.. disagreement is also not a support of the right solution.. it's a disagreement because you have the wrong answer.. it says nothing about what is the right.
Did I say I wanted to make Russia the enemy? No. But that was not my point. I was pointing out the Democrats' hypocritical conversion to Joe McCarthy/Red Scare hysterics. Do you see that?


dusty117 69M
917 posts
1/14/2019 9:53 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Dusty, it's clear that you follow the news closely, which is good, but you never get it quite right. Take for example this statement:

    " Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him."

    This is just not how it happened. Trump asked Comey if he could go easy on Flynn. Comey recalls his words as follows:

    “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

    This is entirely different from what you stated. I can't see where this is even improper, much less illegal. It is certainly not obstruction of justice. You go on to crow that Flynn was a convicted felon. This is a cheap shot, as his felony was a process crime, something caused by the investigation itself, therefore a form of entrapment. And it was sickening that Rosenstein said he didn't need legal counsel. Just a couple of our boys coming over to shoot the sh*t with you, Mike.

    And then this statement:

    " I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President"

    And your point is? It's absolutely true. You think Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch didn't serve at the pleasure of Obama? If Obama had removed either, no special counsel would have been sought.
Lisztomania, Fox News is really doing you a disservice. There's way more to the story than Trump simply saying “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

Sean Hannity number one in the Trump propaganda machine sells e-cigarettes on AM Radio.

BTW we got a couple million people incarcerated in the US and they're all crowing something like cheap shot … they told me I didn't need a lawyer … they busted in KGB style. That's the America I grew up in.

Legal counsel might have advised Flynn not to commit a felony. Oh darn ...


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/14/2019 10:57 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Lisztomania, Fox News is really doing you a disservice. There's way more to the story than Trump simply saying “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

    Sean Hannity number one in the Trump propaganda machine sells e-cigarettes on AM Radio.

    BTW we got a couple million people incarcerated in the US and they're all crowing something like cheap shot … they told me I didn't need a lawyer … they busted in KGB style. That's the America I grew up in.

    Legal counsel might have advised Flynn not to commit a felony. Oh darn ...
That quote came from Comey's book, not from Fox News. This is the standard tactic by unsophisticated lefties these days -- Try to invalidate your adversary's opinion by saying he/she is brainwashed by Fox News. How shallow, how facile. The true propaganda organs on cable news are CNN and MSNBC.

Your other points are not worth addressing. Who cares if Hannity is selling e-cigs on his radio show? I assume you mean the e-smoke people buy ads on his show. I don't care if he sells moonshine or rubbers.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
1/14/2019 11:37 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    That quote came from Comey's book, not from Fox News. This is the standard tactic by unsophisticated lefties these days -- Try to invalidate your adversary's opinion by saying he/she is brainwashed by Fox News. How shallow, how facile. The true propaganda organs on cable news are CNN and MSNBC.

    Your other points are not worth addressing. Who cares if Hannity is selling e-cigs on his radio show? I assume you mean the e-smoke people buy ads on his show. I don't care if he sells moonshine or rubbers.
Nope, you have assumed wrong. It's not the e-smoke people buying ads on the Hannity show, Hannity PERSONALLY does the selling ... using the same sleazy voice and marketing skills he uses to sell Donald Trump. Selling rubbers would be a step up for Hannity.

If you have Comey's book, I suggest you read it .. get the story straight.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/15/2019 10:29 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Nope, you have assumed wrong. It's not the e-smoke people buying ads on the Hannity show, Hannity PERSONALLY does the selling ... using the same sleazy voice and marketing skills he uses to sell Donald Trump. Selling rubbers would be a step up for Hannity.

    If you have Comey's book, I suggest you read it .. get the story straight.
It wouldn't have occurred to me to call Hannity's voice "sleazy," but mocking of physical characteristics is very common on the Left these days. I have never listened to Hannity's radio show. No, I don't own Comey's book, nor will I. I can't stand the sanctimonious giraffe. (There -- I mocked a physical characteristic. hah.) As far you telling anyone to get the story straight -- that's rich, my friend.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
1/15/2019 11:59 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Nope, you have assumed wrong. It's not the e-smoke people buying ads on the Hannity show, Hannity PERSONALLY does the selling ... using the same sleazy voice and marketing skills he uses to sell Donald Trump. Selling rubbers would be a step up for Hannity.

    If you have Comey's book, I suggest you read it .. get the story straight.
Looks like you are a big fan of right wing radio. Who knew? Do you really think you are getting " news" from opinion radio? Or maybe you can't tell the difference. You talk about Rush and Hannity, neither of whom I have ever heard on the radio. I am too busy jammin' to the 60's channel on XM to turn on such drivel.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
1/15/2019 3:50 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Looks like you are a big fan of right wing radio. Who knew? Do you really think you are getting " news" from opinion radio? Or maybe you can't tell the difference. You talk about Rush and Hannity, neither of whom I have ever heard on the radio. I am too busy jammin' to the 60's channel on XM to turn on such drivel.
I don't have XM on the car radio, but I listen to the local stations that play the oldies.... or if not available, country. Talk radio is almost worse than talk TV.
During the day, I turn our Dish network TV to the sixties channel too after I catch up on the news and weather forecast.
I wonder why someone who leans to the left would even listen to an ultra right commentator?


If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


bob77O21__ 76M
8307 posts
1/15/2019 5:36 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    He and Leaf make quite a team -- sort of like Laurel & Hardy.
They're more like Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/15/2019 7:59 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I don't have XM on the car radio, but I listen to the local stations that play the oldies.... or if not available, country. Talk radio is almost worse than talk TV.
    During the day, I turn our Dish network TV to the sixties channel too after I catch up on the news and weather forecast.
    I wonder why someone who leans to the left would even listen to an ultra right commentator?
Go figure. I am usually listening to Met Opera when in the car, never radio call-in shows. I do listen to regular Fox News sometimes.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/15/2019 8:03 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    They're more like Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.
Or perhaps the Bobbsey Twins. Leaf would have to be Flossie Bobbsey.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/15/2019 8:16 pm

    Quoting  :

Get a grip, Tex. Over 3000 American corporations do business in Russia, including heavy hitters like Exxon, Mobil, and 3M, but also Burger King, Crate & Barrel, Avon cosmetics etc etc. Most high-powered international businessmen have some stake of some sort in Russia, Soo what??????? Have you lost your mind?


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
1/15/2019 8:45 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    The problem is there is absolutely no evidence to support this. The crimes that Manafort was charged with predated his association with the Trump campaign by several year.

    So many anti-Trumpers cling to the hope that Trump will be convicted of graft of some sort. Why would he risk it? The best case for old-time graft is against the Clintons. And also collusion with Russia (the uranium sale.)
I have consistently taken the position I don't know what Mueller knows thus making my opinion based on both speculation and hope. Your statement, "... there is absolutely no evidence to support this." indicates you possess some knowledge only Mueller and his task force know. I can say with a high degree of confidence, you don't.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/16/2019 3:58 pm

    Quoting  :

Come on, Tex, this boils down to you catching a bad case of TDS. You don't know whether money laundering involving Trump is true or not. You therefore presume guilt. That's not the way this country works.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
1/16/2019 11:15 pm

    Quoting  :

Rant on, Tex -- no reasonable words or refutations will reach your brain. As far as I'm concerned, both Hillary and Barack were much better liars than Trump, who mainly just exaggerates. I( don't know which thousands of people you're referring to, but Trump isn't hurting me. I'm getting a bigger tax refund, and a bigger SS check, and I am very happy to have 2 fine new justices on SCOTUS, ISUS running like a scalded dog, economy booming, wages rising, Iran taking a beating, etc etc etc.