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Lisztomania 69M
14094 posts
10/3/2018 11:24 am
ATTICUS FINCH DID NOT "BELIEVE THE WOMAN"

Is there any more iconic novel and movie about race relations in the American South than Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird? Published in 1960, a year in which black activists were trying to desegregate Southern lunch counters, Mockingbird gave us the character of Atticus Finch, an incorruptible and heroic white attorney who agrees to represent a black man falsely accused of r*pe in a small Alabama town in the depth of the Depression. Atticus is a reserved, even scholarly, man who is nonetheless capable of grabbing his rifle, ripping off his glasses a la Clark Kent, and shooting a rabid dog in the streets at a hundred paces. He is in short … Gregory Peck.

The central event of the book, its crisis, is the trial of Tom Robinson, whom Atticus represents against the r*pe accusation of a young white woman, Mayella Ewell. In today's parlance, Mayella might be called "trailer trash," but a white woman had every expectation of being believed in rural Alabama. Atticus's children hear their father called a "n*gg*rlover" by detractors in the community, but actually sneak into the courtroom by sitting in the Negro gallery.

Atticus has sworn to represent Tom to the best of his ability, and he subjects Mayella to a cross-examination which essentially destroys her case. At one dramatic point, Atticus has Tom demonstrate that he did not have the use of his left arm, which Mayella claimed he used to overpower her. In the end, Tom is convicted despite Atticus' heroic defense, and is murdered as he attempts to escape from jail.

You will see, of course, the relevance to the present situation involving Judge Kavanaugh. He stands accused without the slightest bit of evidence by a privileged white woman who simply assumes she will be believed because of her sex. And so she is by every single US Senator with a D after his/her name. There are strong indications that Christine Ford perjured herself in her testimony. Democrats, who have become the new Spanish Inquisition, are willing to overlook the manifest weakness of her case. It has descended into farce. I have never seen either party behave so badly as the Democrats at present, in such bad faith, and with so little integrity, with such dismissal of due process.

It is a sad day in the history of our Republic.


Below: Atticus locks and loads to take out a rabid dog and protect the neighborhood's children.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/3/2018 11:29 am

The inspiration for this blog is a piece by Rich Lowry of National Review.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
10/3/2018 11:43 am

Before these allegations surfaced, Senator Cory Booker (D., N.J.) insisted that Kavanaugh’s nomination was “evil.” said Jonah Goldberg. When you dehumanize someone as " evil", you can accuse them of anything, and demand those accusations be believed.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/3/2018 11:51 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Before these allegations surfaced, Senator Cory Booker (D., N.J.) insisted that Kavanaugh’s nomination was “evil.” said Jonah Goldberg. When you dehumanize someone as " evil", you can accuse them of anything, and demand those accusations be believed.
One of the good outcomes of these endless hearings is that Cory Booker has shown himself to be an ass and a fool. Here's hoping Spartacus is the Dem nominee in 2020.


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
10/3/2018 12:01 pm

"The slightest bit of evidence" is a bit askance from reality. More appropriately, there is evidence you choose not to believe. It appears as if Judge Kavanaugh is beset with an alcohol consumption problem verified by friends and acquaintances under sworn questioning. This malady has led to friends arrested in bar fights and substantiation of abhorrent behavior from a privileged Yale student. Your assumption of a dearth of evidence seems to be far from the truth in terms of behavior and the consequences of that behavior, not the least of which entails the mistreatment of women. Furthermore, comparing the victim in this case to the victim in "To Kill a Mockingbird" goes beyond apples and oranges fully into the realm of the unbelievable. The Democrats did not pour alcohol down Judge Kavanaugh's throat.

Judge Kavanaugh lacks the judicial temperament to hold the highest court seat in the land and the continual attempts at substantiation for that position has begun to take on fantasies even Walt Disney couldn't fathom.
Add to all this the GOP approach to Merrick Garland's appointment and the hypocrisy becomes even more pronounced.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/3/2018 12:28 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    "The slightest bit of evidence" is a bit askance from reality. More appropriately, there is evidence you choose not to believe. It appears as if Judge Kavanaugh is beset with an alcohol consumption problem verified by friends and acquaintances under sworn questioning. This malady has led to friends arrested in bar fights and substantiation of abhorrent behavior from a privileged Yale student. Your assumption of a dearth of evidence seems to be far from the truth in terms of behavior and the consequences of that behavior, not the least of which entails the mistreatment of women. Furthermore, comparing the victim in this case to the victim in "To Kill a Mockingbird" goes beyond apples and oranges fully into the realm of the unbelievable. The Democrats did not pour alcohol down Judge Kavanaugh's throat.

    Judge Kavanaugh lacks the judicial temperament to hold the highest court seat in the land and the continual attempts at substantiation for that position has begun to take on fantasies even Walt Disney couldn't fathom.
    Add to all this the GOP approach to Merrick Garland's appointment and the hypocrisy becomes even more pronounced.
Dream on, my friend. The evidence put forth by the accuser has not only not corroborated her story, it has in some cases refuted it. Since you are a former law enforcement person, I would think you would be horrified by the departure from due process sponsored by Democrats. Could it be the power of TDS?


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/3/2018 4:58 pm

That's the weakest, silliest analogy I've ever seen......beyond even the grasping Christian preachers.You could give Dan a run for his money......


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
10/3/2018 6:54 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Dream on, my friend. The evidence put forth by the accuser has not only not corroborated her story, it has in some cases refuted it. Since you are a former law enforcement person, I would think you would be horrified by the departure from due process sponsored by Democrats. Could it be the power of TDS?
lisz, a comment. skariff was and never will be a leo. iworked in and around police agencies. he has no back ground to prove his claim.one only has to read his blogs or comments he has no law enforcement back ground.

his leanings would have kept him tied to a desk. no police would have him as s partner as liberal as he is. I could see him stopping a robber. he would have helped him excape

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
10/3/2018 6:56 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    That's the weakest, silliest analogy I've ever seen......beyond even the grasping Christian preachers.You could give Dan a run for his money......
its only weak and silly cuz its not what you agree with. you are like the activist no matter what is said or told you are against or don't believe it

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
10/3/2018 6:59 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    "The slightest bit of evidence" is a bit askance from reality. More appropriately, there is evidence you choose not to believe. It appears as if Judge Kavanaugh is beset with an alcohol consumption problem verified by friends and acquaintances under sworn questioning. This malady has led to friends arrested in bar fights and substantiation of abhorrent behavior from a privileged Yale student. Your assumption of a dearth of evidence seems to be far from the truth in terms of behavior and the consequences of that behavior, not the least of which entails the mistreatment of women. Furthermore, comparing the victim in this case to the victim in "To Kill a Mockingbird" goes beyond apples and oranges fully into the realm of the unbelievable. The Democrats did not pour alcohol down Judge Kavanaugh's throat.

    Judge Kavanaugh lacks the judicial temperament to hold the highest court seat in the land and the continual attempts at substantiation for that position has begun to take on fantasies even Walt Disney couldn't fathom.
    Add to all this the GOP approach to Merrick Garland's appointment and the hypocrisy becomes even more pronounced.
I bet u don't like judge k cuz he threw ice at a guy ina bar.

you an your kind was not going to support judge k from the start so your frothings are/is not a shock

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/3/2018 8:25 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    its only weak and silly cuz its not what you agree with. you are like the activist no matter what is said or told you are against or don't believe it
Comparing a the trial of a Black man in the American South to a privileged white man who was born on the conveyor-belt to power.......and a "trailer trash" woman to a doctor of Psychology with a large body of work that has received approval by many others in her field...........I can't see any similarities beyond their genders.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/3/2018 10:43 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    That's the weakest, silliest analogy I've ever seen......beyond even the grasping Christian preachers.You could give Dan a run for his money......
Awwwww, and you've always been a big fan of mine.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/3/2018 10:55 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Comparing a the trial of a Black man in the American South to a privileged white man who was born on the conveyor-belt to power.......and a "trailer trash" woman to a doctor of Psychology with a large body of work that has received approval by many others in her field...........I can't see any similarities beyond their genders.
Of course you can't. You have been marinating yourself in anti-male bile for a long time now.

The fact is that both Kavanaugh and Ford were very privileged young people in the early 80's. Did you spend every summer day when you were 15 lolling by the pool at the County Club and perfecting your diving? No, I thought not.

The fact is Christine Ford has way more privilege points in the present moment: she is a woman, a Democrat, an anti-Trump activist, and a child of the #MeToo movement. But frankly I don't believe a word she says. Zero corroboration, and too many little lies.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/3/2018 10:56 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Comparing a the trial of a Black man in the American South to a privileged white man who was born on the conveyor-belt to power.......and a "trailer trash" woman to a doctor of Psychology with a large body of work that has received approval by many others in her field...........I can't see any similarities beyond their genders.
I agree...comparing the fictional trial of a black man to a real trial would be disgusting. Comparing it to a hearing (not a trial) to prove whether a man is suitable or not for a job is completely ridiculous. There are no similarities.

maisie, liszt and their little minions draw a line right down the middle of America, all on "their" side of that line are good honest human beings. Everybody else is a lying cowardly Lefty-Liberal.


It's not even logical.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/3/2018 11:01 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz, a comment. skariff was and never will be a leo. iworked in and around police agencies. he has no back ground to prove his claim.one only has to read his blogs or comments he has no law enforcement back ground.

    his leanings would have kept him tied to a desk. no police would have him as s partner as liberal as he is. I could see him stopping a robber. he would have helped him excape
What were you? A janitor in a police precinct?


Shartaun03 76F
3111 posts
10/3/2018 11:16 pm

Listomania whn I saw your heading I was thinking you were referring to our very own AtticusFinch who used to be on SFF....LOL!


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
10/4/2018 7:29 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    I agree...comparing the fictional trial of a black man to a real trial would be disgusting. Comparing it to a hearing (not a trial) to prove whether a man is suitable or not for a job is completely ridiculous. There are no similarities.

    maisie, liszt and their little minions draw a line right down the middle of America, all on "their" side of that line are good honest human beings. Everybody else is a lying cowardly Lefty-Liberal.


    It's not even logical.
I see the more esoteric aspects of To Kill a Mockingbird are lost on you. I wager you are unfamiliar with the work.
One of the salient points is a man is falsely accused of a crime , not because of his job, his character, or his past, but because a woman accused him, in a time when the race of the accuser carried all the weight. Not unlike the current climate, where every woman is to believed, just because she said so, and like, Tom Robinson, who was not to be believed because he was black, men are not to be believed just because they are men.

Finch chose not to believe her, just because she accused, but because he wanted to know the facts.

Instead of noting the concept of the novel, you chose to pay attention to the characters in the story. You see the Fox and the Grapes, is not about fruit, nor is the Goose with the Golden Egg about poultry.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
10/4/2018 7:33 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    What were you? A janitor in a police precinct?
If I am not having a senior moment, he has said many times he was a prison guard. In other words, law enforcement in a slightly different setting, where all the criminals are assembled in one place, and not roaming the streets.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 8:30 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    That's the weakest, silliest analogy I've ever seen......beyond even the grasping Christian preachers.You could give Dan a run for his money......
Perhaps you should not treat it as an analogy then. But sometimes art can throw a powerful searchlight on actual events. We are told today that all women must be believed in matters of sexual assault or abuse. Harper Lee's novel presents a situation where this results in a profound injustice. Consider it a cautionary tale.

I am surprised I have to give you a lesson in hermeneutics and interpretive reading.

I fail to see what Christian preachers have to do with discussion.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 8:47 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    I agree...comparing the fictional trial of a black man to a real trial would be disgusting. Comparing it to a hearing (not a trial) to prove whether a man is suitable or not for a job is completely ridiculous. There are no similarities.

    maisie, liszt and their little minions draw a line right down the middle of America, all on "their" side of that line are good honest human beings. Everybody else is a lying cowardly Lefty-Liberal.


    It's not even logical.
The fact that your mind is not powerful enough to understand that Harper Lee's work deals with the same issues as the Senate Judiciary Committee has been tussling with does not invalidate the point.

Your second paragraph ("maisie, liszt and their little minions.....") is simply a crock. You should be ashamed to write such drivel.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 8:49 am

    Quoting Shartaun03:
    Listomania whn I saw your heading I was thinking you were referring to our very own AtticusFinch who used to be on SFF....LOL!
Gosh, Shar, AtticusFinch must have been slightly before my time. Nice handle, though.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 8:53 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    If I am not having a senior moment, he has said many times he was a prison guard. In other words, law enforcement in a slightly different setting, where all the criminals are assembled in one place, and not roaming the streets.
Yes, Hank has talked about his job as a corrections officer numerous times. Katie can't resist a cheap shot, but she not very clever about making them.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/4/2018 9:45 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Perhaps you should not treat it as an analogy then. But sometimes art can throw a powerful searchlight on actual events. We are told today that all women must be believed in matters of sexual assault or abuse. Harper Lee's novel presents a situation where this results in a profound injustice. Consider it a cautionary tale.

    I am surprised I have to give you a lesson in hermeneutics and interpretive reading.

    I fail to see what Christian preachers have to do with discussion.
You are apparently not familiar with Christian preachers.......Analogy is their food group. They find a passage in the Bible and come up with a real-life contemporary situation that is analogous.......because, you know, the Bible was a long time ago.......That's why modern Christianity, has so little to do with what is actually written in the Bible......The thousands of generations of analogous "teachings".........I have come across some doozies....they contributed heavily to my discarding the religion in my teens.......Rubella offers one up every week.......every one of them in that format.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/4/2018 10:04 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I see the more esoteric aspects of To Kill a Mockingbird are lost on you. I wager you are unfamiliar with the work.
    One of the salient points is a man is falsely accused of a crime , not because of his job, his character, or his past, but because a woman accused him, in a time when the race of the accuser carried all the weight. Not unlike the current climate, where every woman is to believed, just because she said so, and like, Tom Robinson, who was not to be believed because he was black, men are not to be believed just because they are men.

    Finch chose not to believe her, just because she accused, but because he wanted to know the facts.

    Instead of noting the concept of the novel, you chose to pay attention to the characters in the story. You see the Fox and the Grapes, is not about fruit, nor is the Goose with the Golden Egg about poultry.
The "esoteric" aspects of the novel......I had to laugh at that......In all the writing you have done on this site I have NEVER seen even a smidgen of esoterica....LOL....

Every woman is not believed......every woman is listened to with an open mind and heart. Judge Kavenaugh was a belligerent jerk through the whole proceeding, whining and barking in turns, skirting perjury, rude and belligerent to the senators who questioned him.......to sit on the highest court in the land for a generation......a man who was born on the conveyor belt to power and feels he has a god given right........Meritocracy is a joke and Kavenaugh is the punchline.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/4/2018 10:06 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I see the more esoteric aspects of To Kill a Mockingbird are lost on you. I wager you are unfamiliar with the work.
    One of the salient points is a man is falsely accused of a crime , not because of his job, his character, or his past, but because a woman accused him, in a time when the race of the accuser carried all the weight. Not unlike the current climate, where every woman is to believed, just because she said so, and like, Tom Robinson, who was not to be believed because he was black, men are not to be believed just because they are men.

    Finch chose not to believe her, just because she accused, but because he wanted to know the facts.

    Instead of noting the concept of the novel, you chose to pay attention to the characters in the story. You see the Fox and the Grapes, is not about fruit, nor is the Goose with the Golden Egg about poultry.
Sorry...you'd lose your "wager". I've read it many times... and I saw the subtleties that you and liszt have obviously missed...

You see, the whole point of "innocent until proven guilty" is that when the accusation is made, it must be taken as honest until it can be investigated and proved or disproved... whether it is believed or not . And that is true whatever the accusation is. That is what investigation and trial is for.
As for Finch "choosing" not to believe her...that was his job in defending Tom Robinson. But, he did act on conscience. The book is classed a great literature... but we should never forget that it was written in a very controversial time in America. A time that you have said that never happened.

This was not a trial, did you forget that? You chose to see Ms Ford as guilty as soon as the news of the accusation was known. Just as you have done with all of trump's accusers. There is no way you can possibly know the truth of any of it, but you think your pronouncements are infallible.

In the end...there is a difference between reality and fiction. And you seem unable to tell the difference.

I have a suggestion.... read "Confessions of A Justified Sinner" by James Hogg.
Although, sadly, you probably won't understand it.



Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/4/2018 10:10 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    If I am not having a senior moment, he has said many times he was a prison guard. In other words, law enforcement in a slightly different setting, where all the criminals are assembled in one place, and not roaming the streets.
I must have missed that...but then my comment to him was no worse than any of the comments you and he have made to and about those of us you hate.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/4/2018 10:16 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    The fact that your mind is not powerful enough to understand that Harper Lee's work deals with the same issues as the Senate Judiciary Committee has been tussling with does not invalidate the point.

    Your second paragraph ("maisie, liszt and their little minions.....") is simply a crock. You should be ashamed to write such drivel.
I forgot that it's only acceptable for you and your minions to write drivel...as long as they agree with you.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
10/4/2018 11:09 am

I watched the hearing.

I watched as Kavanaugh cried non stop for nearly an hour about irreparable damage done to himself, his wife, his kids and his career by Fords fictitious accusations ... AND say no to what could help repair the damage to his reputation ... the FBI investigation.

Then some Republicans came out saying it's all just 'theater and Ford's a prop. I guess everyone knew it was theater except Kavanaugh? Because in the interest of good theater Kavanaugh could have cried … HELL YES I WANT THE FBI INVESTIGATION!


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 3:30 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    I watched the hearing.

    I watched as Kavanaugh cried non stop for nearly an hour about irreparable damage done to himself, his wife, his kids and his career by Fords fictitious accusations ... AND say no to what could help repair the damage to his reputation ... the FBI investigation.

    Then some Republicans came out saying it's all just 'theater and Ford's a prop. I guess everyone knew it was theater except Kavanaugh? Because in the interest of good theater Kavanaugh could have cried … HELL YES I WANT THE FBI INVESTIGATION!
And you got it. So what's the bitch now?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 3:49 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Sorry...you'd lose your "wager". I've read it many times... and I saw the subtleties that you and liszt have obviously missed...

    You see, the whole point of "innocent until proven guilty" is that when the accusation is made, it must be taken as honest until it can be investigated and proved or disproved... whether it is believed or not . And that is true whatever the accusation is. That is what investigation and trial is for.
    As for Finch "choosing" not to believe her...that was his job in defending Tom Robinson. But, he did act on conscience. The book is classed a great literature... but we should never forget that it was written in a very controversial time in America. A time that you have said that never happened.

    This was not a trial, did you forget that? You chose to see Ms Ford as guilty as soon as the news of the accusation was known. Just as you have done with all of trump's accusers. There is no way you can possibly know the truth of any of it, but you think your pronouncements are infallible.

    In the end...there is a difference between reality and fiction. And you seem unable to tell the difference.

    I have a suggestion.... read "Confessions of A Justified Sinner" by James Hogg.
    Although, sadly, you probably won't understand it.



Spare me your condescension. I am not responsible for all the horrible things men have done to you. You and Lulu have a good cry together.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 3:58 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You are apparently not familiar with Christian preachers.......Analogy is their food group. They find a passage in the Bible and come up with a real-life contemporary situation that is analogous.......because, you know, the Bible was a long time ago.......That's why modern Christianity, has so little to do with what is actually written in the Bible......The thousands of generations of analogous "teachings".........I have come across some doozies....they contributed heavily to my discarding the religion in my teens.......Rubella offers one up every week.......every one of them in that format.
Marbella subscribes to something call "Our Daily Bread" (I think). Sic the Mounties on her.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/4/2018 4:22 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    I agree...comparing the fictional trial of a black man to a real trial would be disgusting. Comparing it to a hearing (not a trial) to prove whether a man is suitable or not for a job is completely ridiculous. There are no similarities.

    maisie, liszt and their little minions draw a line right down the middle of America, all on "their" side of that line are good honest human beings. Everybody else is a lying cowardly Lefty-Liberal.


    It's not even logical.
Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I have never used that phrase. Quote me directly if you wish. I don't consider you a liar because you obviously believe the idiocies you spout. I do regard you as stunningly self-righteous, humorless, incapable of self-criticism, and thick as a plank. And you may quote me.

And do try to remember that Maisie and I are 2 different people. I am responsible for my words, she for hers.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/4/2018 11:49 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Spare me your condescension. I am not responsible for all the horrible things men have done to you. You and Lulu have a good cry together.
Actually...I was condescending to maisie... not you... in the same way she condescended to me. Maybe it's you who needs to remember that you and she are two different people.

Your assumption of who and what I am, is totally fictional, based solely on your hatred, it has no basis in credulity...so tell me why I should give it any attention?
Apart from laughing at your nasty little attempts to demean me...and anyone else you judge to be lesser beings than yourself.

You are about as significant and responsible as a gnat...and as bad tempered.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
10/5/2018 6:43 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Sorry...you'd lose your "wager". I've read it many times... and I saw the subtleties that you and liszt have obviously missed...

    You see, the whole point of "innocent until proven guilty" is that when the accusation is made, it must be taken as honest until it can be investigated and proved or disproved... whether it is believed or not . And that is true whatever the accusation is. That is what investigation and trial is for.
    As for Finch "choosing" not to believe her...that was his job in defending Tom Robinson. But, he did act on conscience. The book is classed a great literature... but we should never forget that it was written in a very controversial time in America. A time that you have said that never happened.

    This was not a trial, did you forget that? You chose to see Ms Ford as guilty as soon as the news of the accusation was known. Just as you have done with all of trump's accusers. There is no way you can possibly know the truth of any of it, but you think your pronouncements are infallible.

    In the end...there is a difference between reality and fiction. And you seem unable to tell the difference.

    I have a suggestion.... read "Confessions of A Justified Sinner" by James Hogg.
    Although, sadly, you probably won't understand it.



How would you know when I thought her not credible? When did I ever said segregation didn't exist? Or denied we had open racist laws?
Please quote the blog and what I said.

I thought her not credible when her story kept changing, when there was no one to back up what she said, and when she deliberately misled and lied to the committee. The sad thing is, I think she is a troubled person, easily manipulated, and the Democrats and her anti-Trump lawyers, recommended to her by the Democrats know that. And they used her.
Chuck Schumer said, the day before Kavanaugh's name was announced, the Democrats would do anything they could to oppose any Trump nominee to the court. So when this person comes and then more people come out of the woodwork at the 11th hour, we are not supposed to be suspicious?

You claim you want accusations to be taken seriously , then proven or disproven. This is what happened. She was taken seriously. Then her story fell apart. What else is significant is Cory Booker said Ford told " her truth"
Where the hell is THE truth?


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
10/5/2018 6:51 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Actually...I was condescending to maisie... not you... in the same way she condescended to me. Maybe it's you who needs to remember that you and she are two different people.

    Your assumption of who and what I am, is totally fictional, based solely on your hatred, it has no basis in credulity...so tell me why I should give it any attention?
    Apart from laughing at your nasty little attempts to demean me...and anyone else you judge to be lesser beings than yourself.

    You are about as significant and responsible as a gnat...and as bad tempered.


You demean yourself by your nastiness, which you create, even when people agree with you.

And it is interesting that the Left ALWAYS escalates disagreement to " hate ". Disagree with me? You must hate me. No, I just dont agree. Think a group's message is wrong? You are engaging in " hate speech ". Why do they do this? Because if you delegitimize the person as a " hater " , you dont have to defend your own feckless position. It's a very old tactic, and a very transparent one. Every new ,radical generation tries it. They usually stop when they grow up a little and the group behind them is even worse, and they become the " haters ".


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/5/2018 9:28 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Actually...I was condescending to maisie... not you... in the same way she condescended to me. Maybe it's you who needs to remember that you and she are two different people.

    Your assumption of who and what I am, is totally fictional, based solely on your hatred, it has no basis in credulity...so tell me why I should give it any attention?
    Apart from laughing at your nasty little attempts to demean me...and anyone else you judge to be lesser beings than yourself.

    You are about as significant and responsible as a gnat...and as bad tempered.


My conception of you is based solely on your words. Words, however, are powerful things. Everyone -- but you -- sees that you are quick to castigate in personal terms people you are at odds with, even if the issue doesn't concern you.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/5/2018 9:50 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    My conception of you is based solely on your words. Words, however, are powerful things. Everyone -- but you -- sees that you are quick to castigate in personal terms people you are at odds with, even if the issue doesn't concern you.
Strange...that's exactly what I use to analyse your words and attitude. You obviously see yourselves as saints.

I still see you two as nasty little buzzing gnats that need swatting.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/5/2018 3:15 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    You demean yourself by your nastiness, which you create, even when people agree with you.

    And it is interesting that the Left ALWAYS escalates disagreement to " hate ". Disagree with me? You must hate me. No, I just dont agree. Think a group's message is wrong? You are engaging in " hate speech ". Why do they do this? Because if you delegitimize the person as a " hater " , you dont have to defend your own feckless position. It's a very old tactic, and a very transparent one. Every new ,radical generation tries it. They usually stop when they grow up a little and the group behind them is even worse, and they become the " haters ".
That's rich, considering all the times you and hubby and the other Repubs call other haters ....constantly......you should really have your memory checked out.......


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/5/2018 4:55 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    That's rich, considering all the times you and hubby and the other Repubs call other haters ....constantly......you should really have your memory checked out.......
I'm sorry, WooWoo, but we all see your game. You are the ringleader of the man-hating club, and everyone knows it except you and your hit squad. Which consists of you, CP, katie, Maggie, and sewg, with support from bijou. You have zero credibility.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/6/2018 1:29 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I'm sorry, WooWoo, but we all see your game. You are the ringleader of the man-hating club, and everyone knows it except you and your hit squad. Which consists of you, CP, katie, Maggie, and sewg, with support from bijou. You have zero credibility.
Awe, poor little Liszt is a victim ....Liszt never says anything nasty, but those mean old biddies are always so nasty to him.....he's going to take his credibility out to the garden and eat worms.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
10/6/2018 7:57 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Awe, poor little Liszt is a victim ....Liszt never says anything nasty, but those mean old biddies are always so nasty to him.....he's going to take his credibility out to the garden and eat worms.
Maybe there was something to Freud's "penis envy" theory after all.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
10/6/2018 9:59 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Maybe there was something to Freud's "penis envy" theory after all.
Whose penis do you envy liszt?


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
10/6/2018 5:41 pm

Oh, I know, I know, it's probably Trump's toadstool........Liszt admires a big head.