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Lisztomania 69M
14094 posts
8/27/2018 10:29 am
JOHN McCAIN'S POSTHUMOUS ADMIRERS: THEY'RE ALL DEMOCRATS!


In a situation rich with irony, John McCain in death is riding a burst of popularity among Democrats in high places and low. Chuck Schumer has proposed renaming the Russell Senate Office Building for McCain; both Clintons, and Obama have offered very generous tributes, and liberal editorial rooms across the country have expressed their respects. Here at SFF, several blogs have been posted by liberals (only) supposedly in remembrance of the Senator.

I wonder where these same individuals were in November of 2008 when McCain was the GOP nominee? I know where I was -- I was voting for John McCain, and was quite disappointed when he lost. I suspect ET & Company were trying to go through the line for a 2nd time voting for Obama while simultaneously denouncing McCain as a warmonger.

I will always admire McCain for his service to the country and I consider him a hero for refusing to accept release from the Hanoi Hilton out of turn. But McCain was not a good campaigner and has his own set of flaws: he was extremely vain and at times petty. He loved being a media pet while riding his "straight talk express." His "Maverick" image seemed more important to him at times than his political ideology. And he could not resist virtue-signaling whenever a good opportunity arose. In the last days of the 2008 campaign, McCain suspended his campaign for a few days while he went to Washington to save the Republic from the financial crisis. Obama did no such thing, stating that "presidents have to be able to do 2 things at once." It is often forgotten that McCain was doing fairly well in the polls at the time. But McCain preferred to be Horatius at the bridge.

Of course it's clear what's going on this week. McCain's passing allows Democrats to use him to continue to destroy Trump's presidency. McCain himself has exacted a certain vengeance on Trump by his funeral specifications -- not only would Trump not be a eulogist, he was not even invited to attend. This is a stinging rejection, and music to the ears of zealous leftists.

Here at SFF, Dusty posts a copy-and paste entitled "John McCain" which was entirely an attack on Trump's "draft-dodging." This is always hypocritical for a Democratic partisan, given that Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and legions of other top Democrats avoided military service. ET's "John McCain, RIP" is very light on JM but very heavy on Trump's alleged churlishness in response to being massively snubbed. McCain in death has been a wonderful cudgel for them to beat down Trump.

So that's my "straight talk express." I welcome your opinion.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 10:41 am

Lots of Republicans, however respectful to McCain, are looking forward to having an actual Republican senator in that seat. (The AZ governor is Republican.)


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 11:05 am

To be clear, I am not defending Trump's oafish comments about McCain during the campaign. McCain had no reason to like Trump personally. He (McCain) probably should have let go his personal pique after the election.


TxJW2 76M

8/27/2018 11:14 am

Trying to create an argument over a deceased person is not a good thing.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 11:27 am

    Quoting TxJW2:
    Trying to create an argument over a deceased person is not a good thing.
Tell that to ET, Dusty, and Jiminy.


earthytaurus3 79F
39791 posts
8/27/2018 11:41 am


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/27/2018 11:51 am

From the Huff Po:
The president posted a brief tweet that did not praise McCain at all, writing, “My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!”
The president’s tweet differed significantly from the laudatory statements released by current and former government officials and staffers on both sides of the aisle, who all praised McCain as a war hero that devoted his life to public service.

Another headline:
Obama, Bush Asked To Speak At John McCain’s Funeral; Trump Told To Stay Away


bijou624
18159 posts
8/27/2018 11:53 am

I can only speak for myself of course, but my respect for McCain and sadness over his death has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.


kneedtwoplease 64M
1066 posts
8/27/2018 11:53 am

And then there are accounts of a 'Songbird' McCain published a long time before anyone would appear trying to create an argument over a deceased person. At best illustrates the hypocrisy of Democrats coloring him bothways to fit their timing and agenda. I too voted for McCain/Palin


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 12:35 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    "And the Huff Po, the Washington Post and Yahoo News. If Trump and McCain had been BBFs, and McCain was supportive of the Trump agenda"

    Before I totally tell you what a fool you are... I'll give you an out...

    Tell me ...."WHAT IS TRUMP'S AGENDA?

    So you never understand.... when i say the "what" of it and the "how" of it.

    You can't be that stupid..

    When it came to "what of it" McCain was VERY supportive of Trump's agenda..but for anyone who looked beyond that... who saw the Lies...Nobody can really tell what really is .. "The What" of Trump's agenda?

    What we can see, and do know... that McCain did NOT support
    the "HOW" of Trump's agenda.

    Typically you can't see the forest through the trees... McCain did NOT support OBAMACARE!... He was against the process that was used to repeal OBAMACARE.
    Typically your reaction to McCain and to ME.. is that being AGAINST You... Is being FOR the other side.

    So let me know what you think McCain was NOT supportive of, in regards to the what.. there is NOT a single thing you can say that would be true.
    But if you want to talk about the "How".. I will agree McCain was NOT supportive of Trump.. about anything... when it came to the HOW..

    So what exactly DO YOU THINK... is Trump's AGENDA?
    Let me know .. because I don't have clue.....All I see is the HOW..and to me THE HOW has become Trump's agenda.
Jiminy, no one understands your bullsh*t. McCain was a constant thorn in Trump's side, always threatening to jump ship and often actually doing so. Quit calling people stupid because they disagree with you. Nobody gives a damn about the WHAT and the HOW.

Trump's agenda btw is perfectly clear.


MySeek2day 75F
5039 posts
8/27/2018 12:38 pm

    Quoting TxJW2:
    Trying to create an argument over a deceased person is not a good thing.
I agree....... feel exactly the same.

Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony. - M. Gandhi


bigblock46 73M
9076 posts
8/27/2018 12:41 pm

JC, You don't always say something stupid. But when you do, you just keep talking to make it worse.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/27/2018 12:44 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Jiminy, no one understands your bullsh*t. McCain was a constant thorn in Trump's side, always threatening to jump ship and often actually doing so. Quit calling people stupid because they disagree with you. Nobody gives a damn about the WHAT and the HOW.

    Trump's agenda btw is perfectly clear.
Well.. this is what we disagree about.. You think it's about ideology.. the What of it.
NOT to ME

You can't separate the what and the How... The how doesn't matter to you..

When....I don't care about the what.. and ONLY the how matters to me.

Now tell me.. How the how, doesn't matter...

Now tell us... as long as you get what you want.. it doesn't matter how you get it.


Shartaun03 76F
3111 posts
8/27/2018 1:12 pm

I am neither Democrat or Republican as I live across the border. But I gave McCain good accolades as he was a good person and as I see it tried to do good for his countryman and country.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 1:13 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Well.. this is what we disagree about.. You think it's about ideology.. the What of it.
    NOT to ME

    You can't separate the what and the How... The how doesn't matter to you..

    When....I don't care about the what.. and ONLY the how matters to me.

    Now tell me.. How the how, doesn't matter...

    Now tell us... as long as you get what you want.. it doesn't matter how you get it.
JC, your word salads always require translation into real English. You believe that for Trump, the end justifies the means, and you find McCain to be of nobler stuff. It's about clashing personalities, not ideology. Good enough, that's your view.

You ask for another instance of McCain's war on Trump's agenda? His immigration policy and support for the border wall/fence (which was nonexistent.)

It is very revealing that support for McCain in AZ had fallen quite low before his death, and was higher among Democrats than the GOP
.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
8/27/2018 1:17 pm

lisz you said it well.

I think McCain never got past losing the election and that fostered his lack of support for trump.

both trump and McCain acted like school kids over a marble match.

I lost respect for McCain after his 2008election loss.

you stated it well, we need a real republican in the vacant senate seat in az.

same for rino paul ryan, rino mitch mc.

these among others.

i am sad he had to endure the horrid disease that has killed man.

i will say he served his country well.

he didnt serve his state or the mation well as a senator.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 1:31 pm

    Quoting MySeek2day:
    I agree....... feel exactly the same.
I didn't create an argument. I tried to interpret the general argument. You should be a little more consistent and attack ET for using McCain's death to bash Trump.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/27/2018 2:14 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz you said it well.

    I think McCain never got past losing the election and that fostered his lack of support for trump.

    both trump and McCain acted like school kids over a marble match.

    I lost respect for McCain after his 2008election loss.

    you stated it well, we need a real republican in the vacant senate seat in az.

    same for rino paul ryan, rino mitch mc.

    these among others.

    i am sad he had to endure the horrid disease that has killed man.

    i will say he served his country well.

    he didnt serve his state or the mation well as a senator.
What qualifies someone to be a "rino?"


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
8/27/2018 2:57 pm

google RINO. not rhino.

I am not going to fall in your trap.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


starwomyn 65F
6277 posts
8/27/2018 4:05 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    From the Huff Po:
    The president posted a brief tweet that did not praise McCain at all, writing, “My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!”
    The president’s tweet differed significantly from the laudatory statements released by current and former government officials and staffers on both sides of the aisle, who all praised McCain as a war hero that devoted his life to public service.

    Another headline:
    Obama, Bush Asked To Speak At John McCain’s Funeral; Trump Told To Stay Away
It was no secret that McCain and Trump were not a love match. Trump would have come across as hypocritical if he tweeted something gushy about McCain.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/27/2018 4:27 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    google RINO. not rhino.

    I am not going to fall in your trap.
I don't have to. Your response tells me all I need to know.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/27/2018 5:07 pm

Speaking as an outsider, obviously, it seemed to me, at the time, that McCain lost a lot of votes in the Presidential election because of who he chose as a running-mate.....I think McCain was not as predictable politically as most, which is causing this interesting dichotomy now.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
8/27/2018 5:59 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    I don't have to. Your response tells me all I need to know.
u posted the comment so I would bite and u would make same type comment you just did.

you are too predictable.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/27/2018 6:13 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    u posted the comment so I would bite and u would make same type comment you just did.

    you are too predictable.
It was a question. One that you couldn't answer.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/27/2018 6:49 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Speaking as an outsider, obviously, it seemed to me, at the time, that McCain lost a lot of votes in the Presidential election because of who he chose as a running-mate.....I think McCain was not as predictable politically as most, which is causing this interesting dichotomy now.
But probably a false dichotomy......


bigblock46 73M
9076 posts
8/27/2018 7:22 pm

I have noticed one thing today as I have read a lot of the accolades being spoken about Senator McCain. A lot of the ones doing the praising and attempting to elevate him to sainthood, are the same ones who questioned his mental stability and his ability to make wise decisions back in 2008 when he picked Alaska Governor Palin as his running mate.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 7:39 pm

What's your point in asking? You know what the acronym stands for.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 7:45 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    It was no secret that McCain and Trump were not a love match. Trump would have come across as hypocritical if he tweeted something gushy about McCain.
I agree. Both are thin-skinned guys and they got under each other's skins. McCain won the final round.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/27/2018 7:58 pm

The latest thing to bash Trump with over the death of McCain is flag controversy, The flag atop the White House had been put back to full staff Monday morning, apparently under the protocol for flags on public buildings to be flown at half-staff for 24 hours upon the death of a member of the House or Senate -- unless an official presidential proclamation extends the mourning period. A Pentagon spokeswoman said the flag at the entrance to the building was back at full staff but Pentagon officials expected that a proclamation would be forthcoming from the White House.

Trump issued the proclamation, stating that it would remain at half staff until McCain's interment this weekend at his alma mater, the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.
But , what the hell, why bother to learn what the protocol is, when you can use the death of a American Hero to bash Trump. It isn't about McCain, remember.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 8:10 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Speaking as an outsider, obviously, it seemed to me, at the time, that McCain lost a lot of votes in the Presidential election because of who he chose as a running-mate.....I think McCain was not as predictable politically as most, which is causing this interesting dichotomy now.
Most concluded that Palin's influence on the ticket was a wash. At the outset she created quite a splash and energized the red-meat Republicans. The press was quick to point out her deficiencies in foreign policy and the workings of the economy. I recall in an interview she was asked who was her favorite Founding Father. She seemed to have real trouble coming up with an answer and eventually spluttered out George Washington.

She enjoyed a recovery in the VP debate when she held her own with Biden, actually winning the debate in many eys.

In the end, the story was about Barack Obama and the press's love affair with him.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/27/2018 9:20 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz you said it well.

    I think McCain never got past losing the election and that fostered his lack of support for trump.

    both trump and McCain acted like school kids over a marble match.

    I lost respect for McCain after his 2008election loss.

    you stated it well, we need a real republican in the vacant senate seat in az.

    same for rino paul ryan, rino mitch mc.

    these among others.

    i am sad he had to endure the horrid disease that has killed man.

    i will say he served his country well.

    he didnt serve his state or the mation well as a senator.
I think you sum it up well, hank. McCain showed that he wasn't much of a retail politician in 2008. And since then, he has been too quick to score points with the media with maverick stances. Since both Flake and McCain will not be on the 2018 ballot, there is a good chance that there will be 2 actual Republicans representing Arizona.

I think that we can all still admire McCain's undoubted patriotism and ethos of service to the country.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/27/2018 9:21 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    What's your point in asking? You know what the acronym stands for.
I didn't realize a simple question would become such a Yuuuuuuuuuuuuge deal. I wanted Hank's take on it since that's the slang he used. Maybe his answer would've been different from someone else's. Maybe I should've asked him what he means by a "real Republican." Would that be easier for him to answer?


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/28/2018 3:22 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    JC, your word salads always require translation into real English. You believe that for Trump, the end justifies the means, and you find McCain to be of nobler stuff. It's about clashing personalities, not ideology. Good enough, that's your view.

    You ask for another instance of McCain's war on Trump's agenda? His immigration policy and support for the border wall/fence (which was nonexistent.)

    It is very revealing that support for McCain in AZ had fallen quite low before his death, and was higher among Democrats than the GOP.
There's a difference between the "ends justify the means ".. and the "means to an end"

Almost everybody weighs the value of the ends and how much that
devalues the means to achieve it.

Trump's thinks in terms of a "means to an end"...the end makes no difference..His "means' do not change.


MySeek2day 75F
5039 posts
8/28/2018 4:39 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I didn't create an argument. I tried to interpret the general argument. You should be a little more consistent and attack ET for using McCain's death to bash Trump.
I decide what to read and when to comment.

Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony. - M. Gandhi


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/28/2018 6:06 am

It would appear Howie Kurtz , who makes his living commenting on all things media, has read your blog.

"It's a case study in the disparity between the way the media treat politicians they like, personally and ideologically, and those they dislike. McCain, who once jokingly called the press "my base," provided enormous access and was the most frequent Sunday show guest ever.
And so, like so much else in today's society, everyone must be judged by where he or she stands on Trump or his policies. To judge this wounded warrior through the lens of Trumpism is unfair, and suggests to me that too many in the media feel compelled to make everything about this president."


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/28/2018 6:12 am

All Democrats?
When did Bush II switch parties?


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/28/2018 7:06 am

A few more goodies from the slobbering -over -McCain press. They didn't like him when he couldn't serve their purpose. Now, since they can use him to bash Trump , he is great. How about a trip down memory lane?

Following the September 26, 2008 presidential debate MSNBC’s Hardball host Chris Matthews spewed: “Let’s start with John McCain. Do you think he was too troll-like tonight? You know, too much of a troll?...Do people really want to put up with four years of that? Of sitting there angrily, grumpily, like a codger? "

When McCain was in favor of the first Gulf War in 1991 he was actually compared to a Nazi. During a February 8, 1991, Time Washington bureau meeting, that was aired on C-SPAN, senior correspondent Hays Gorey spat: “McCain has got this ad hoc group of superpatriots that he’s organizing.” His colleague Jerome Cramer added: “They wear brown shirts and march around.”

When McCain had serious questions about Obama administration officials, MSNBC.com Executive Editor Richard Wolffe played the race card. “It’s outrageous that there is this witch hunt going on on the right about these people of color, let’s face it, around this President: Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, now Susan Rice; before it was Van Jones. “There is no other way to look at this....”
In 2008 The Atlantic hired lefty photographer Jill Greenberg to shoot McCain for is October issue. Goldberg took some disturbing pictures of McCain, that she hoped would be featured in the magazine — including one that was doctored to show him with blood dripping from his mouth. She proudly displayed those pictures on her website.

They couldn't even leave his service alone, which now is propelling him on to Sainthood- not so in 2008:
Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi, in June 2008, penned an anti-McCain screed “Full Metal McCain Haunted by the ghosts of Vietnam, the one-time maverick has transformed himself into just another liberal-bashing fearmonger.”


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/28/2018 9:40 am

    Quoting MySeek2day:
    I decide what to read and when to comment.
Yes, your majesty, of course you will. Just as I will choose when I become resentful of your constant criticism of me.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/28/2018 9:50 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    All Democrats?
    When did Bush II switch parties?
That's a good question, though I know you didn't intend it to be. I would say the entire Bush family headed for the exits when it became clear that Trump had secured the nomination. The Bush family's patrician pride was deeply offended by the crass upstart's mockery of Crown Prince Jeb, whom Trump designated "Low-Energy Jeb." Bush Sr let it be known that he and Babs voted for Clinton. G W wrote somebody in. Neither Bush attended the convention.

I am an admirer of the Bushes generally, but they have ceased to be a part of the GOP.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/28/2018 9:56 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    I didn't realize a simple question would become such a Yuuuuuuuuuuuuge deal. I wanted Hank's take on it since that's the slang he used. Maybe his answer would've been different from someone else's. Maybe I should've asked him what he means by a "real Republican." Would that be easier for him to answer?
Think of a RINO as a officeholder with an R after his name who enjoys sleeping with the enemy from time to time, and enjoys the resultant press clippings. There is no equivalent in the Democratic Party -- no DINOS -- in part because the media would treat apostates harshly if they left the reservation.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/28/2018 12:00 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Think of a RINO as a officeholder with an R after his name who enjoys sleeping with the enemy from time to time, and enjoys the resultant press clippings. There is no equivalent in the Democratic Party -- no DINOS -- in part because the media would treat apostates harshly if they left the reservation.
It's amusing that you're so clueless, you're completely oblivious to the fact that you just described Donald Trump. Talk about out of touch with reality.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/28/2018 12:11 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    It's amusing that you're so clueless, you're completely oblivious to the fact that you just described Donald Trump. Talk about out of touch with reality.
Yeah, the Democrats are falling all over themselves courting Trump to their side. The tax cut bill, somehow passed without one single Democrat vote. Go figure.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/28/2018 1:20 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    It's amusing that you're so clueless, you're completely oblivious to the fact that you just described Donald Trump. Talk about out of touch with reality.
There is no Democratic enemy who will sleep with Trump. Perhaps you don't understand "sleeping with the enemy" is a figure of speech. I don't accuse you of being oblivious but you are a bit slow, bless your heart.


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
8/28/2018 5:31 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    I didn't realize a simple question would become such a Yuuuuuuuuuuuuge deal. I wanted Hank's take on it since that's the slang he used. Maybe his answer would've been different from someone else's. Maybe I should've asked him what he means by a "real Republican." Would that be easier for him to answer?
A question like this probably has an ulterior motive as indicated by the things you write. Since you pretend to know everything I'm certain that you know Republican In Name Only; You can take it from here.
BTW Charles Krauthammer, once a liberal before he wised up, said of Donald Trump that he was neither a Democrat or a Republican but rather a pragmatist
.


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/28/2018 6:18 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    A few more goodies from the slobbering -over -McCain press. They didn't like him when he couldn't serve their purpose. Now, since they can use him to bash Trump , he is great. How about a trip down memory lane?

    Following the September 26, 2008 presidential debate MSNBC’s Hardball host Chris Matthews spewed: “Let’s start with John McCain. Do you think he was too troll-like tonight? You know, too much of a troll?...Do people really want to put up with four years of that? Of sitting there angrily, grumpily, like a codger? "

    When McCain was in favor of the first Gulf War in 1991 he was actually compared to a Nazi. During a February 8, 1991, Time Washington bureau meeting, that was aired on C-SPAN, senior correspondent Hays Gorey spat: “McCain has got this ad hoc group of superpatriots that he’s organizing.” His colleague Jerome Cramer added: “They wear brown shirts and march around.”

    When McCain had serious questions about Obama administration officials, MSNBC.com Executive Editor Richard Wolffe played the race card. “It’s outrageous that there is this witch hunt going on on the right about these people of color, let’s face it, around this President: Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, now Susan Rice; before it was Van Jones. “There is no other way to look at this....”
    In 2008 The Atlantic hired lefty photographer Jill Greenberg to shoot McCain for is October issue. Goldberg took some disturbing pictures of McCain, that she hoped would be featured in the magazine — including one that was doctored to show him with blood dripping from his mouth. She proudly displayed those pictures on her website.

    They couldn't even leave his service alone, which now is propelling him on to Sainthood- not so in 2008:
    Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi, in June 2008, penned an anti-McCain screed “Full Metal McCain Haunted by the ghosts of Vietnam, the one-time maverick has transformed himself into just another liberal-bashing fearmonger.”
Your pedantry is excruciating......


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/28/2018 6:32 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Your pedantry is excruciating......
Don't read it. You have a hard time digesting facts which don't confirm your biases.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/28/2018 8:01 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Your pedantry is excruciating......
Sorry about that- facts are important to me , and I do not like to make statements without supporting statements. I understand the favorite narrative these days is just to make statements without any evidence to back it up. The example is well set at CNN and MSNBC and the Big 3 networks for unsubstantiated " news " - from anonymous sources, of course. .


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
8/28/2018 10:22 pm

Your pedantry is excruciating......

Found a mew word huh? Just had to show Maisie how smart you are


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/29/2018 3:25 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Sorry about that- facts are important to me , and I do not like to make statements without supporting statements. I understand the favorite narrative these days is just to make statements without any evidence to back it up. The example is well set at CNN and MSNBC and the Big 3 networks for unsubstantiated " news " - from anonymous sources, of course. .
Almost all the news does pretty much the same thing..
State the FACTS.. the give an opinionated conclusion about those facts.

Most people understand this.. and can agree of disagree with the opinion.

BUT NOT YOU.. and "FAKE NEWS"

Disagreeing with the opinion is not good enough....You got to use that disagreement to dispute the facts.
"Sorry about that- facts are important to me" Like who you trying to kid?
So what alternate FACT universe do you live in? Where... if the facts do not conformed to your opinionated conclusion..then just change the facts.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/29/2018 6:29 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Almost all the news does pretty much the same thing..
    State the FACTS.. the give an opinionated conclusion about those facts.

    Most people understand this.. and can agree of disagree with the opinion.

    BUT NOT YOU.. and "FAKE NEWS"

    Disagreeing with the opinion is not good enough....You got to use that disagreement to dispute the facts.
    "Sorry about that- facts are important to me" Like who you trying to kid?
    So what alternate FACT universe do you live in? Where... if the facts do not conformed to your opinionated conclusion..then just change the facts.
I know difficult it is for you to understand what I write, so read slooooow. When I state that so-and-so has X opinion, I want to correctly quote what they said. That way, it is not my opinion of what they said, but what they actually said.

The items I quoted , about how the now McCain -loving media used to say nasty things about him, came from the transcripts of the broadcasts, the photos are still available on line, and everything else can be easily corroborated. This was my point- statements to show the media didn't always love him. A rather easy concept .
I know straightforward sentences, with facts to back up them up is hard for you . We understand your comprehension problems. Has it been a life long condition?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/29/2018 9:04 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Almost all the news does pretty much the same thing..
    State the FACTS.. the give an opinionated conclusion about those facts.

    Most people understand this.. and can agree of disagree with the opinion.

    BUT NOT YOU.. and "FAKE NEWS"

    Disagreeing with the opinion is not good enough....You got to use that disagreement to dispute the facts.
    "Sorry about that- facts are important to me" Like who you trying to kid?
    So what alternate FACT universe do you live in? Where... if the facts do not conformed to your opinionated conclusion..then just change the facts.
I see you have no understanding of traditional journalism, which made a clear distinction between hard-news reporting and editorializing. It was a very useful distinction. If you read an AP story in the good old days, it was just the factual news. In a totally different category were bylined editorials expressing the opinions of the writer. The substitution of opinion for fact has created the category "fake news."

I'm not surprised you don't get this because you can't see reality between your jumbled thoughts and the outer empirical world.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/29/2018 9:10 am

    Quoting Rich1937:
    A question like this probably has an ulterior motive as indicated by the things you write. Since you pretend to know everything I'm certain that you know Republican In Name Only; You can take it from here.
    BTW Charles Krauthammer, once a liberal before he wised up, said of Donald Trump that he was neither a Democrat or a Republican but rather a pragmatist
    .
"Ulterior motive" is the right term. There is very little that CP writes which has no ulterior motive. It could be generalized as the need to hurt or destroy someone she has chose to dislike.


Lisztomania replies on 8/29/2018 9:11 am:
has chosen

sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/29/2018 11:28 am

    Quoting Rich1937:
    Your pedantry is excruciating......

    Found a mew word huh? Just had to show Maisie how smart you are

LOL.....You see an unfamiliar word and assume the person using it is showing off........All you did was put your own ignorance on display.....


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/29/2018 11:31 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Sorry about that- facts are important to me , and I do not like to make statements without supporting statements. I understand the favorite narrative these days is just to make statements without any evidence to back it up. The example is well set at CNN and MSNBC and the Big 3 networks for unsubstantiated " news " - from anonymous sources, of course. .
Yeah, for sure Maisie, I can always tell factual reporting because of the use of words and phrases like "spewed" "spat", "played the race card", propelled him on to sainthood"......Always indicative of fact-based, unbiased reporting.....


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/29/2018 12:44 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yeah, for sure Maisie, I can always tell factual reporting because of the use of words and phrases like "spewed" "spat", "played the race card", propelled him on to sainthood"......Always indicative of fact-based, unbiased reporting.....

A blog is almost by definition an editorial. I'm sure you understand that. Sometimes you really reach to find something to criticize.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/29/2018 5:12 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    A blog is almost by definition an editorial. I'm sure you understand that. Sometimes you really reach to find something to criticize.
Pot-Kettle......


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/29/2018 6:07 pm

Not applicable here.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/31/2018 8:41 am

Sure it is......you tell me that "sometimes you really reach to find something to criticise"...........while doing the exact same thing....pot/kettle.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/31/2018 3:55 pm

    Quoting  :

McCain was no paragon. I don't think his first wife would concur.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/31/2018 11:36 pm

    Quoting kneedtwoplease:
    And then there are accounts of a 'Songbird' McCain published a long time before anyone would appear trying to create an argument over a deceased person. At best illustrates the hypocrisy of Democrats coloring him bothways to fit their timing and agenda. I too voted for McCain/Palin
I am familiar with the stories about "songbird" McCain. There are quite a few vids on youtube about this. Some seem to come from knowledgeable sources.

I decided to accept the standard version of McCain's military history.