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Lisztomania 69M
13711 posts
8/12/2018 10:18 am
IS THE PRESS THE 'ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE'?


We are taught that a free press is an essential guarantor of our liberties. Donald Trump, in one his most notorious formulations has described the media as "the enemy of the people," which to the Left is heretical and even monstrous. The members of the press are in a constant state of indignation, and 70 news organizations -- from the AP to small-town newspapers, are pledged to rebuking Trump in some sort of concerted communication. I don't know about you, but that certainly reassures me that the press is utterly impartial.

But what if Trump is right? What if the media are in actuality a fifth column dedicated to the overthrow of this president? What if they are acting in concert to represent a single political faction while they promote themselves as the neutral umpires? There is every reason to believe this is the case.

The same thing happened in the Nixon administration. Nixon won re-election in 1972 in a huge landslide, but the outcome was unacceptable to a Nixon-hating press. So eventually he was hanged by an insignificant surveillance break-in which he had no knowledge of.

Today the media is seeking some similar magic bullet, chasing down a new rabbit hole every other day. Pretense to objectivity is long gone. The sky is always falling. The President is de-humanized and derided by nicknames such as the "Mango Mussolini." The free press is free only to those who are card-carrying anti-Trumpers.

Conclusion: our historic media have forfeited their birthright. They are essentially a false flag operation, posing as intrepid newsies speaking truth to power. In actuality, they have become advocates for a single political ideology, and beyond that, a single lifestyle. They are indeed enemies of the people.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 10:24 am

There is one huge difference between the Watergate era, 1972-74, and the present: the internet. Add in talk radio and Fox News, which does not feel the need to kowtow to the mainstream. The "silent majority" now has a voice.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 10:39 am

91 percent of Trump campaign coverage was negative, 96 percent of media campaign contributions went to Hillary Clinton'.

If an informed electorate is the best way to preserve the Republic, then media outlets which claim to report " the news", have an obligation to be impartial and factual. This is long gone, probably since about 2007, when the media drooled over , and advocated for , Obama. And , in this sense, the ceasing of reporting news, and crossing over 100% into advocacy, makes them an enemy of an informed electorate, and the Republic, and by extension, the people.

"The media and Democrats are so close in association and so close in their philosophical views that we might as well use one word to describe both, and that's 'Mediacrats,'" said Texas Rep. Lamar Smith, founder of the House Media Fairness Caucus.


MrsJoe 72F
11476 posts
8/12/2018 10:40 am

Sad to say, I agree with your conclusion. I do not like to watch any of the cable networks after midafternoon because they no longer give out the news, just opinions slanted towards their own agendas...... and some of the shows in the mornings are just as slanted.
When I read articles online, I see the same slants, and most of them lean very liberal, actually progressive in most cases.
At least our local news just tells us what is happening in our area....... but sometimes, when they touch on something national or political, I can see the bias of the network in what they are reading. Sad, very sad.


If you expect nothing from anyone, you won't be disappointed, but you might be pleasantly surprised.


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 11:32 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    There is one huge difference between the Watergate era, 1972-74, and the present: the internet. Add in talk radio and Fox News, which does not feel the need to kowtow to the mainstream. The "silent majority" now has a voice.
lisz , well said and so true.

my local news out lets are leaning left. I can read a local news piece and see cnn"s finger prints all over it.

as you mentioned .the Nixon era was all print news , much less talking head on nbc, cbs an abc.

the 8 years of Obama enlighten the silent majority. we thought we had taken care of the left leaners and brought the country back to near center.

enter ghw bush, enter slick Clinton, enter gwbush. then BARRY!!!.

HIS 8 YEARS OF WEAKNESS AND GROVELING. instilled into the common man, more described as rural tootheless gunowners the need to man up an take back our country.

in rode the man on the white horse. see nov 2016

the libs cant stand it.

i see arest owner in houston. has had to cancel his social networks as well as apologize for serving jeff sessions and then posting a picture.

he and his family has had death threats.

now, think of this. what would have happened if same had happened to holder or lynch.

i wont even try to describe it. THE BUZZ WORD RACISM would have been the mildest out cry.

then agin the libs and leftist have carte blanche.

they need to get use to it. AINT NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

2020 will be better for us and worse for them.

i would love too see warren, booker, miss hyphen last name, debate the MAN,

2020, 204 , ONWARD

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 11:32 am

2024

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


dusty117 69M
1017 posts
8/12/2018 12:11 pm

The simple life lesson Donald Trump was never taught or failed to learn is … when you hit people they will very likely hit you back, AND they might hit hard.

In the beginning you probably laughed and thought Trump was the one playing hardball … eh?


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 12:33 pm

Old haters in recliners,pee bags strapped firmly to their leg, remote controls pointed at large TV screens, the AC cranked.........their orange-tinged, hair-spray varnished, beloved leader yelling his repetitious lies......


bigblock46 73M
9552 posts
8/12/2018 3:21 pm

Since 1974 there has been a influx of "journalists" whose main desire in life is to be the next Carl Berstein or Bob Woodward.

The thing about the Press is they have the freedom to ask any question they want, but the thing is the responder is not duty bound to either answer or tell the questioner what he wants to hear. My advice would be if you don't think you are going to like the answer advance at your own peril.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 3:40 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Old haters in recliners,pee bags strapped firmly to their leg, remote controls pointed at large TV screens, the AC cranked.........their orange-tinged, hair-spray varnished, beloved leader yelling his repetitious lies......
Says the intolerant, US hating, Conservative hating, man hating, foreigner as she ridicules the cancer ridden sick. Very classy. I can see you in with the Antifa kiddies beating an old man over the head with your " Love conquers hate " sign , while shutting down the speech of others at your " Free Speech " rally.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 4:20 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Old haters in recliners,pee bags strapped firmly to their leg, remote controls pointed at large TV screens, the AC cranked.........their orange-tinged, hair-spray varnished, beloved leader yelling his repetitious lies......
Way to address the issues, Lulu! What a torrent of hate speech. Seriously, you should consider getting a rabies shot.

Maybe you could extend your comment and turn it in as an assignment in the creative writing class you're taking at the local community college.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 4:22 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    The simple life lesson Donald Trump was never taught or failed to learn is … when you hit people they will very likely hit you back, AND they might hit hard.

    In the beginning you probably laughed and thought Trump was the one playing hardball … eh?
Here's what you're missing, dusty: the media doesn't exist to "hit back." The exist to report the news. It's really that simple.


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/12/2018 6:16 pm

What if.. you are insane?

Isn't the definition of insanity.. when you believe that everyone else is wrong?
Here's the deal.. there can't be collusion...when there are too many of US colluding!


dusty117 69M
1017 posts
8/12/2018 6:19 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Here's what you're missing, dusty: the media doesn't exist to "hit back." The exist to report the news. It's really that simple.
Lisztomania, apparently they do 'hit back' and they hit hard. That's exactly what's happening and I'm not missing it.

You've got yourself a President who is disrespectful to the Office, mean spirited, stupid and has a big mouth ... not a good combination.

But an English major's dream

It really is that simple


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/12/2018 6:21 pm

What if you are paranoid?

Paranoid..meaning everything and everyone is out to get you..

Maybe you are insanely paranoid?
You think we are all idiots.. and can be controlled that way?

Of course you do.. because that's what you try to do.....
How is that working out for You?


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/12/2018 6:40 pm

"But what if Trump is right?"

WTF? When you are RIGHT... You shouldn't have to LIE

What if.. what you say is not true....

Well.... then you'd be an insane paranoid LIAR...

Take heart.. it's not so bad... at least you're not schizophrenic!

Oh crap.. there I go assuming again...I keep thinking you're just a "bot'... and, of course, a "bot" is not delusional... they just think we are!


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 6:49 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Lisztomania, apparently they do 'hit back' and they hit hard. That's exactly what's happening and I'm not missing it.

    You've got yourself a President who is disrespectful to the Office, mean spirited, stupid and has a big mouth ... not a good combination.

    But an English major's dream

    It really is that simple
SIMPLE SOLUTION.FIND YOU A PERSON YOU LIKE AND RUN HIM, HER OR IT AGAINST OUR PRESIDENT.

YOUR CHILDISH ACTIONS LIKE UR HEROS ONLY ASSURES POTUS TRUMP GETS

ELECTED AGAIN IN 2020. BUT THATS A GIMME.

AINT NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. LIBS HAVE NO ONE THAT CAN BEAT HIM.

CALLING US OR HIM NAMES WILL NOT STOP US FROM VOTING HIM BACK IN OFFICE.

BEST HOPE YOU ALL HAVE IS 2024, HOW EVER THAT IS MOST LIKELY A GIMME ALSO.

A PENCE HALEY TICKET WILL APPEAL TO THE SAME SILENT MAJORITY THAT POST TRUMP IN OFFICE.

A WORD OF CAUTION. BE VERY VERY CAREFUL HOW FAR YOUR KIND GOES WITH THE ASSAULTS ON TRUMPS CABINET AND ONES SUPORTING HIM.

THERE BECOMES A PLACE AND TIME FOR ALL THINGS TO END.

BY ANY MEANS NEEDED. INTERPRET THAT AS YOU CHOOSE.

MIDDLE PRONG YOU LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


dusty117 69M
1017 posts
8/12/2018 6:59 pm

Interesting comment hiramhankwilliam …

Spoken like a drunk in a bar the Saturday night before the Super Bowl.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/12/2018 7:03 pm

The press has always been the enemy.
They cost the US the war in Vietnam.
If it wasn't for the slanted reporting that gave Americans a skewed and inaccurate picture of what was happening, Westie would have got the resources he needed to achieve complete victory.


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/12/2018 7:04 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    SIMPLE SOLUTION.FIND YOU A PERSON YOU LIKE AND RUN HIM, HER OR IT AGAINST OUR PRESIDENT.

    YOUR CHILDISH ACTIONS LIKE UR HEROS ONLY ASSURES POTUS TRUMP GETS

    ELECTED AGAIN IN 2020. BUT THATS A GIMME.

    AINT NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. LIBS HAVE NO ONE THAT CAN BEAT HIM.

    CALLING US OR HIM NAMES WILL NOT STOP US FROM VOTING HIM BACK IN OFFICE.

    BEST HOPE YOU ALL HAVE IS 2024, HOW EVER THAT IS MOST LIKELY A GIMME ALSO.

    A PENCE HALEY TICKET WILL APPEAL TO THE SAME SILENT MAJORITY THAT POST TRUMP IN OFFICE.

    A WORD OF CAUTION. BE VERY VERY CAREFUL HOW FAR YOUR KIND GOES WITH THE ASSAULTS ON TRUMPS CABINET AND ONES SUPORTING HIM.

    THERE BECOMES A PLACE AND TIME FOR ALL THINGS TO END.

    BY ANY MEANS NEEDED. INTERPRET THAT AS YOU CHOOSE.

    MIDDLE PRONG YOU LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You think you can can crawl out behind the wall.. bask in the light.. and think you are going to rule the world?

The gimme is.... you are going to get squashed.... like the cockroach you are...


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/12/2018 7:05 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Here's what you're missing, dusty: the media doesn't exist to "hit back." The exist to report the news. It's really that simple.
True, but it has every right to defend itself against Mango and his lies.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 7:19 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    True, but it has every right to defend itself against Mango and his lies.
I disagree. Once they become a party to the dispute, they cease to be journalists.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 7:22 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    What if you are paranoid?

    Paranoid..meaning everything and everyone is out to get you..

    Maybe you are insanely paranoid?
    You think we are all idiots.. and can be controlled that way?

    Of course you do.. because that's what you try to do.....
    How is that working out for You?
I see once again you have nothing to say. I offer my opinion and you are either persuaded or you are not. Frankly, I don't care which, from the likes of you.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 7:31 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    The press has always been the enemy.
    They cost the US the war in Vietnam.
    If it wasn't for the slanted reporting that gave Americans a skewed and inaccurate picture of what was happening, Westie would have got the resources he needed to achieve complete victory.
I will have to agree on that one. Cronkite was reporting what the Generals told him, until he saw for himself. For example, The Battle of Hue was reported as a few hundred Viet Cong in part of the city. Instead , thousands of Viet Cong took over the whole city and held it for a couple of months. It was brutal, horrible house to house fighting , street to street , while the media was reporting small skirmishes.
Viet Cong casualties were exaggerated , while ours were minimized.
After Cronkite started not going along with what the government said, it is reported that LBJ said " If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost America". That has been disputed, but sort of sums up the sentiment.


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 7:34 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You think you can can crawl out behind the wall.. bask in the light.. and think you are going to rule the world?

    The gimme is.... you are going to get squashed.... like the cockroach you are...
I AM NOT going to rule any thing.

PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES.

ALSO, no one will squash me. surely not a pizz ant like you.

cute comment cock roach. did you have ur mammy in mind when u used that word

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 7:37 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Interesting comment hiramhankwilliam …

    Spoken like a drunk in a bar the Saturday night before the Super Bowl.
as that the best you got. come on.name calling is child like.

please don't underestimate us trump supports. we won and we going to keep winning.

I only wish you would by chance meet me.

I can explain things better in person.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 7:40 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    The press has always been the enemy.
    They cost the US the war in Vietnam.
    If it wasn't for the slanted reporting that gave Americans a skewed and inaccurate picture of what was happening, Westie would have got the resources he needed to achieve complete victory.
Westmorland was a puzzy. he was a sad excuse as a gen.

we, the us has only has a few great gens. mac was the best

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 7:47 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Lisztomania, apparently they do 'hit back' and they hit hard. That's exactly what's happening and I'm not missing it.

    You've got yourself a President who is disrespectful to the Office, mean spirited, stupid and has a big mouth ... not a good combination.

    But an English major's dream

    It really is that simple
No it is not the media " hitting back", it they who have been on the offensive since Trump won the nomination. When the media still thought Trump had no chance, they fawned all over him, gave him lots of free press, as he was good TV. Watch the panel video when Bill Mahr asked Anne Coulter , in front of the pundit panel, who, of the 17 Republicans running, was going to win the nomination, she said " Donald Trump". Uproarious laughter ensued. Then after he won the nomination, it hit them . After that- the coverage was nasty as hell, and 95% negative.
Of course , he hit back. They ignore the economy, the jobs, the low unemployment rate, NATO agreeing to pay their fair share ( they like that term) to run segment after segment on Stormy Daniels, Paul Manafort, and other nonsense before he was President, and had nothing to do with his Presidency.
The media, with little exception, is not fair to Trump, and will twist everything he does or says into something negative. They have not, and will not , report fairly.


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 7:48 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I disagree. Once they become a party to the dispute, they cease to be journalists.
lisz, you are correct.

it is sad so called journalists don't have a Hippocratic oath or a JURIS DOCTOR to achieve then they would have professional standards to maintain.

journalism degree is dime a dozen. better stated , one level above a graduate in underwater basket weaving

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 8:16 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Way to address the issues, Lulu! What a torrent of hate speech. Seriously, you should consider getting a rabies shot.

    Maybe you could extend your comment and turn it in as an assignment in the creative writing class you're taking at the local community college.

If you posted a rational blog about actual issues instead of repeating the insane rantings of your monster president, perhaps it would deserve a cogent response........Trump's calling the media the enemy of the people is the epitome of hate-speech and you and these other puppets believing it is just so crazy, I can't even.......Only a dictator wanna-be would say that.....and repeat it over and over......only a liar who is trying to brain-wash people into believing his lies would say that......and only people who are brainwashed would fail to recognize it as such........THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE...BELIEVE ONLY ME AND MY PROPAGANDA ARM< FOX......WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU HEAR IS NOT WHAT IS ...HAPPENING.....I REPEAT.. WHAT YOU HEAR AND SEE IS NOT WHAT"S HAPPENING....THE MEDIA IS YOUR ENEMY... BELIEVE ONLY ME.. ME...ME... ME......


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 8:30 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Way to address the issues, Lulu! What a torrent of hate speech. Seriously, you should consider getting a rabies shot.

    Maybe you could extend your comment and turn it in as an assignment in the creative writing class you're taking at the local community college.

Calling the Press the Enemy of the People is the epitome of Hate Speech.......Especially coming from a president....especially when it is repeated and re enforced on a regular basis, including by his sycophants......Day by day you erode any and all respect I have had for your integrity and intellect......You have been completely absorbed by the Orange Reality Show Host up on his Bully Pulpit.......your opinions are subsumed by his monstrosity.....good luck with that.


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 8:30 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    If you posted a rational blog about actual issues instead of repeating the insane rantings of your monster president, perhaps it would deserve a cogent response........Trump's calling the media the enemy of the people is the epitome of hate-speech and you and these other puppets believing it is just so crazy, I can't even.......Only a dictator wanna-be would say that.....and repeat it over and over......only a liar who is trying to brain-wash people into believing his lies would say that......and only people who are brainwashed would fail to recognize it as such........THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE...BELIEVE ONLY ME AND MY PROPAGANDA ARM< FOX......WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU HEAR IS NOT WHAT IS ...HAPPENING.....I REPEAT.. WHAT YOU HEAR AND SEE IS NOT WHAT"S HAPPENING....THE MEDIA IS YOUR ENEMY... BELIEVE ONLY ME.. ME...ME... ME......
LULU. YOU LIKE OTHERS OF YOUR ILK REPEAT YOUR HATE FILLED DITRIBE ENDLESS.

YOUR HATE FOR TRUMP AND THE USA IS COMMON SYMPTOMS OF AN UNHINGED PHYSCO .

REPEAT AFTER ME: TRUMP IS NOT MY WORRY, HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT. HE IS IN AMERICA. IAM SAFE IN CANADA.

NOW DONT YOU FEEL BETTER

IF YOU ARE ON DRUGS OR BOOZE. SEEK HELP. YOU ARE OFF YOUR TROLLEY

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 8:31 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz , well said and so true.

    my local news out lets are leaning left. I can read a local news piece and see cnn"s finger prints all over it.

    as you mentioned .the Nixon era was all print news , much less talking head on nbc, cbs an abc.

    the 8 years of Obama enlighten the silent majority. we thought we had taken care of the left leaners and brought the country back to near center.

    enter ghw bush, enter slick Clinton, enter gwbush. then BARRY!!!.

    HIS 8 YEARS OF WEAKNESS AND GROVELING. instilled into the common man, more described as rural tootheless gunowners the need to man up an take back our country.

    in rode the man on the white horse. see nov 2016

    the libs cant stand it.

    i see arest owner in houston. has had to cancel his social networks as well as apologize for serving jeff sessions and then posting a picture.

    he and his family has had death threats.

    now, think of this. what would have happened if same had happened to holder or lynch.

    i wont even try to describe it. THE BUZZ WORD RACISM would have been the mildest out cry.

    then agin the libs and leftist have carte blanche.

    they need to get use to it. AINT NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

    2020 will be better for us and worse for them.

    i would love too see warren, booker, miss hyphen last name, debate the MAN,

    2020, 204 , ONWARD
Hank, I think the left is enjoying their prolonged tantrum which began on Nov. 8, 2016, so much that they have no idea how harmful it is to their cause. They just love parading around city streets with placards and black masks while chanting inanities. The left loves its street theater, as was demonstrated in DC today. Fewer than 20 Unite the Right people actually made it to DC and were opposed by thousands of raffishly dressed, virtue-signaling counter-protesters. Fun for lefty geeks of all ages!

If there is no enemy in sight, the left will invent one. Or protest the cops.


hiramhankwilliam 96M
4480 posts
8/12/2018 8:41 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Hank, I think the left is enjoying their prolonged tantrum which began on Nov. 8, 2016, so much that they have no idea how harmful it is to their cause. They just love parading around city streets with placards and black masks while chanting inanities. The left loves its street theater, as was demonstrated in DC today. Fewer than 20 Unite the Right people actually made it to DC and were opposed by thousands of raffishly dressed, virtue-signaling counter-protesters. Fun for lefty geeks of all ages!

    If there is no enemy in sight, the left will invent one. Or protest the cops.
lisz what is scarey is these leftist rebel rousers careless about who or what they hurt.

again its the ME, ME ,ME thing.

they speaketh with forked tongue.

they want to be giving the same things they are trying to deny the conservatives.

i kinda like it as long as it is kept to looking stupid and childish.

some where, in some film editing facility , there is massive coping and labeling operation.

the cost of the ads for the 2020 race may be nothing. its all out there on public domains.

just copy and post

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 8:43 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    If you posted a rational blog about actual issues instead of repeating the insane rantings of your monster president, perhaps it would deserve a cogent response........Trump's calling the media the enemy of the people is the epitome of hate-speech and you and these other puppets believing it is just so crazy, I can't even.......Only a dictator wanna-be would say that.....and repeat it over and over......only a liar who is trying to brain-wash people into believing his lies would say that......and only people who are brainwashed would fail to recognize it as such........THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE...BELIEVE ONLY ME AND MY PROPAGANDA ARM< FOX......WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU HEAR IS NOT WHAT IS ...HAPPENING.....I REPEAT.. WHAT YOU HEAR AND SEE IS NOT WHAT"S HAPPENING....THE MEDIA IS YOUR ENEMY... BELIEVE ONLY ME.. ME...ME... ME......
Hey, Lulu, just look at what you have written. This is itself a psychotic rant, and suggests a person who has flat lost her moorings.

I do not hold the opinion of the MSM that I do because Trump revealed it to me. I've known it for years, and the data backs me up. You need to take some valium and shut your cakehole. No one pays much attention to a crazy old bat.


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 8:50 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Says the intolerant, US hating, Conservative hating, man hating, foreigner as she ridicules the cancer ridden sick. Very classy. I can see you in with the Antifa kiddies beating an old man over the head with your " Love conquers hate " sign , while shutting down the speech of others at your " Free Speech " rally.
Whose ridiculing the "cancer-ridden sick"? That's all you, deary......By the way, I'm not a Foreigner anymore than you are.....we are in each other's internet space......LOL.....In your imagination I'm apparently at a rally carrying a sign at a (capitalized) free speech(in quotation marks) rally .......in a largish city .....probably an American city, since I'm a "foreigner" .......a scenario that could not be more unlikely and has never happened...and I certainly have never hit anyone over the head ....am I still wearing the "pussy hat" you dressed me in at a previous imaginary rally?.....

In my imagination you are at a Trump rally, standing with the other fat old women in their MAGA hats and Q shirts.......waving your I hear Trump sign, your sweaty face bright red as you scream obscenities at the CNN reporters on their post........I can see you now.......


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 9:10 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Hey, Lulu, just look at what you have written. This is itself a psychotic rant, and suggests a person who has flat lost her moorings.

    I do not hold the opinion of the MSM that I do because Trump revealed it to me. I've known it for years, and the data backs me up. You need to take some valium and shut your cakehole. No one pays much attention to a crazy old bat.
You are wrong, people do pay much attention to a crazy old bat.......Trump is pretty much the craziest old bat around and you and many others are paying attention to him......So, is Fox also an Enemy of the People....is Fox also Media?......Show us this data that backs up your opinion that the Press is the enemy of the people.......


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 9:12 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Whose ridiculing the "cancer-ridden sick"? That's all you, deary......By the way, I'm not a Foreigner anymore than you are.....we are in each other's internet space......LOL.....In your imagination I'm apparently at a rally carrying a sign at a (capitalized) free speech(in quotation marks) rally .......in a largish city .....probably an American city, since I'm a "foreigner" .......a scenario that could not be more unlikely and has never happened...and I certainly have never hit anyone over the head ....am I still wearing the "pussy hat" you dressed me in at a previous imaginary rally?.....

    In my imagination you are at a Trump rally, standing with the other fat old women in their MAGA hats and Q shirts.......waving your I hear Trump sign, your sweaty face bright red as you scream obscenities at the CNN reporters on their post........I can see you now.......
Oh, aren't you cute. You know what I look like, and if you had followed my blogs, you would know I was not a Trump supporter until it became a choice between him and another corrupt Clinton. Now that Trump's ideas are working, I will support them.

Your characterization of Trump supporters, and those who go to the rallies , is how the elites view the middle of America. They dismiss them, demonize them, insult them, and look down on those who are those who actually made this country properous- the famers, factory workers, truck drivers, waitresses, construction workers- you know people who actually worked hard for a living. The eltites still have not gotten over the shock of learning those people exist, and that those people spoke loud and clear in 2016. America's Forgotten People woke up, and the lame stream media is not going to shut them up.

As for the cancer ridden sick- one does not have the catherter you ridiculed unless you have some sort of illness, usually cancer.

And unless you became an American citizen in the past hour, you are a foreigner, in more ways than citizneship. Any discussion of ideas, policy or posting any non-insulting comment is foreign to you.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 9:16 pm

**** elites , not sure what eltites are - probably supporters of Antifa. Either that or some ancient Mesopotamian tribe.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 9:23 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You are wrong, people do pay much attention to a crazy old bat.......Trump is pretty much the craziest old bat around and you and many others are paying attention to him......So, is Fox also an Enemy of the People....is Fox also Media?......Show us this data that backs up your opinion that the Press is the enemy of the people.......
Forget about Trump for a second. I've been reading the American media my entire life, and I read it pretty exhaustively. Its leftward tilt has always been there, but professional journalistic standards were observed. Since about 2000, these standards have gradually ceased to exist. The data has to do with the percentage of negative coverage of Trump and the percentage of journalists who made contributions to the Democratic Party. The numbers have only changed in degree since the days of Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush. You are planting your standard in a bog.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/12/2018 9:27 pm

If the news media wasn’t so out to get Trump, he wouldn’t be nearly as popular with his base. As impossible as it is for many liberals to comprehend, the extreme level of media criticism leveled at Trump, especially right after eight years, in which the press mostly waved pom-poms for Barack Obama, is making Trump more popular.

Trump has often stated, quite correctly, that the news media badly needs him around in order to keep the news industry from suffering a catastrophic collapse in ratings. Trump bashing is the only thing CNN and MSNBC have . People like Acosta, play the martyr and his syncopates pretend to be fighting to save the country, when in reality they care far more about their own celebrity and job security. Fighting with Trump keeps them in the public eye, because the other sympathetic outlets report on their martyrdom. It's not about America, the news, or accuracy in journalism, it's about them.


sparkleflit 72F
5063 posts
8/12/2018 9:39 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    True, but it has every right to defend itself against Mango and his lies.
These people who will defend their constitution endlessly and boast that it's the best in the world, when it comes to freedom of the press......uh, not so much......the press should be free, but should agree with the president.....Isn't that how all dictatorships started?


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/12/2018 9:55 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    These people who will defend their constitution endlessly and boast that it's the best in the world, when it comes to freedom of the press......uh, not so much......the press should be free, but should agree with the president.....Isn't that how all dictatorships started?
If that's how all dictatorships start, our republic is quite safe. Never have such a high percentage of journalists opposed the sitting president so brutally with total
impunity. Trump makes generic comments about the media, and insulting things about individual reporters, but the government does not interfere with them.

You must be thinking of Barack Obama, who actually did jail some reporters who wouldn't reveal their sources. Google James Rosen or Judith Miller.


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/13/2018 3:18 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I see once again you have nothing to say. I offer my opinion and you are either persuaded or you are not. Frankly, I don't care which, from the likes of you.
Is the news suppose to report Lies.. told by the president.?.

Now.. I guess one could say that lies could be a choice... and if one can turn a truth into a lie.. then of course someone can turn a lie into the truth.. but it doesn't work that way..

I could ask you what truth reported by the news is a lie... but that just won't do.. because you don't know what is the whole truth. You choose the unknown as oppose to the known.. to create the truth that is the LIE

I could discuss a particular issue of Lies told by the President... to no avail.

So let's not discuss the truth told by the news

So let me ask you this......What do you believe .. that Trump says.. that is the TRUTH?...... You get to name anything?


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/13/2018 3:31 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Forget about Trump for a second. I've been reading the American media my entire life, and I read it pretty exhaustively. Its leftward tilt has always been there, but professional journalistic standards were observed. Since about 2000, these standards have gradually ceased to exist. The data has to do with the percentage of negative coverage of Trump and the percentage of journalists who made contributions to the Democratic Party. The numbers have only changed in degree since the days of Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush. You are planting your standard in a bog.
I've been exposed to the American media most of my life.
They may be a leftward tilt by your standards, but not mine.

The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid.

The best recent example of that was the support for the invasion of Iraq.
The entire justification for it was based on lies, and the media went along anyways, no doubt not to appear unpatriotic.

It's not unpatriotic to criticise your country for doing dumb things.

E.g. I am a veteran of the RCAF. This never stopped me from saying that Canada's combat role in Afghanistan was pointless and damaging to Canadian soldiers.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/13/2018 3:32 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I disagree. Once they become a party to the dispute, they cease to be journalists.
Unless, of course, they work for Fox or the National Review.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/13/2018 3:34 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I will have to agree on that one. Cronkite was reporting what the Generals told him, until he saw for himself. For example, The Battle of Hue was reported as a few hundred Viet Cong in part of the city. Instead , thousands of Viet Cong took over the whole city and held it for a couple of months. It was brutal, horrible house to house fighting , street to street , while the media was reporting small skirmishes.
    Viet Cong casualties were exaggerated , while ours were minimized.
    After Cronkite started not going along with what the government said, it is reported that LBJ said " If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost America". That has been disputed, but sort of sums up the sentiment.
Has it escaped you that I was not serious, just parroting the right wing party line?


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/13/2018 7:50 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Is the news suppose to report Lies.. told by the president.?.

    Now.. I guess one could say that lies could be a choice... and if one can turn a truth into a lie.. then of course someone can turn a lie into the truth.. but it doesn't work that way..

    I could ask you what truth reported by the news is a lie... but that just won't do.. because you don't know what is the whole truth. You choose the unknown as oppose to the known.. to create the truth that is the LIE

    I could discuss a particular issue of Lies told by the President... to no avail.

    So let's not discuss the truth told by the news

    So let me ask you this......What do you believe .. that Trump says.. that is the TRUTH?...... You get to name anything?
Jiminy, in your chaotic head, you might be advised to stick with the primary meaning of words like Lie and Truth and not try to create paradoxes or metaphors which you can't pull off. You are not a modern Demosthenes searching for an honest man, you are not Nietzsche exposing the foibles of the age with brilliant aphorisms. You're just a senior guy in Kansas with logorrhea.

Yes, the press should report the President even if he is lying. Obama sure told some whoppers and they were usually reported. Trump has a salesman's approach to persuading others using hyperbole and exaggeration and sometimes the truth gets stretched to the breaking point. It's the job of pundits and editorialists to hold his feet to the fire, but not the job of the beat reporter.

You might consider the possibility that Hillary and Barry also shaded the truth constantly, but lied more cleverly in lawyerly fashion. Trump, who is more of a care salesman/carnival barker and is much more transparent in his deceptions.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/13/2018 7:55 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Has it escaped you that I was not serious, just parroting the right wing party line?
Except that isn't the " right wing party line", it is history, well documented in any account of how the media turned public opinion against the war, in biographies of LBJ , in Gallup polls at the time, and in most histories of the coverage of the war. You mock yourself with your lack of understanding of the influence of the big networks and newspapers before the internet.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/13/2018 8:00 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    I've been exposed to the American media most of my life.
    They may be a leftward tilt by your standards, but not mine.

    The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid.

    The best recent example of that was the support for the invasion of Iraq.
    The entire justification for it was based on lies, and the media went along anyways, no doubt not to appear unpatriotic.

    It's not unpatriotic to criticise your country for doing dumb things.

    E.g. I am a veteran of the RCAF. This never stopped me from saying that Canada's combat role in Afghanistan was pointless and damaging to Canadian soldiers.
You write:
"The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid." Did you fall asleep during the last 6 years of the Vietnam War and throughout the entire invasion of Iraq? Deploring these wars was standard from our chattering classes and media and it affected the outcomes of both wars. What you say is preposterous. You are simply unable to view the US with insight because you hate it so much.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/13/2018 8:07 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Unless, of course, they work for Fox or the National Review.
This is just silly. National Review is 100% a journal of opinion. They don't report hard news, they comment on it. And they do so with great literacy and style. Their range is broad and includes the arts. Give it a try.

Fox News has hard news coverage and also opinion shows. In the hard news, Fox must be judged by the same standard as CNN, MSNBC, et al.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/13/2018 8:18 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    I've been exposed to the American media most of my life.
    They may be a leftward tilt by your standards, but not mine.

    The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid.

    The best recent example of that was the support for the invasion of Iraq.
    The entire justification for it was based on lies, and the media went along anyways, no doubt not to appear unpatriotic.

    It's not unpatriotic to criticise your country for doing dumb things.

    E.g. I am a veteran of the RCAF. This never stopped me from saying that Canada's combat role in Afghanistan was pointless and damaging to Canadian soldiers.
"They may be a leftward tilt by your standards, but not mine."

Well, excuuuse us, but are we obliged to follow a miserly, cantankerous, socialist Canuck as our lodestar?


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/13/2018 8:18 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Unless, of course, they work for Fox or the National Review.
Or CNN, or MSNBC, which has long ago crossed the line of reporting and into advocacy.
Whenever a reporter who has not been kidnapped by terrorists, shot by an assailant, or won a big prize becomes an actor in their own story, they have lost the fight to convince the public they are fair.
Rather made it about himself in the famous 1974 exchange with Nixon.
“Mr. President, Dan Rather, CBS News.” The audience had been applauding all of Nixon’s answers up to this point. There was a little applause when Dan introduced himself, but the applause was drowned out by the boos. Some Nixon boosters perceived Rather as an enemy. The president listened to the applause and the boos for a few second and asked, “Are you running for something?” Rather then said " No. Mr President, are you? "

Contentious relationships with the press are noting new. Grover Cleveland didn’t even allow newsmen in the White House, leaving them instead to stand outside in the snow and the rain to conduct all of their interviews. Franklin D. Roosevelt rhetorically and vocally assigned reporters whom he didn’t like to his so-called “Dunce Club,”. He also awarded them the Nazi Iron Cross if he didn't like their questions.

Perhaps we should heed the these words when we see the media trying to take down an elected President:
"Printing presses shall be free except as to false facts published maliciously either to injure the reputation of another --Thomas Jefferson: Notes for a Constitution, 1794.


Rich1937 82M
6414 posts
8/13/2018 10:08 am

]Lulu and Rent et al, might consider looking inwards at Canada's condition. A failing economy, a toy-boy Prime Minister who bumbles international relationships with everyone and vacations at will. Trudeau loves Muslims and treats them with more deference for them than Canadians. And a mayor in BC who thinks she can change the history of Canada by tearing down a statue of a man comparable to Geo Washington. Saudi Arabia hos thrown out Canada's Ambassador because of Trudeau's big mouth and cut off oil shipments to Canada. Why does Canada have to import oil when they are sitting a large portion of the worlds supply?
Seems to me that concentrating on your own problems and give up bandying words on blogs here.


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


Maisie2013 68F
19152 posts
8/13/2018 11:58 am

Just flipped on CNN. Here is what was being said:
The screen shot was Trump's visit to an army base, where he is going to sign the Defense Bill. The voice in the studio was saying " Trump knows Mueller has something on him, so he is working to delegitimized the investigation ". Huh? You think if they " had something" it would come out by now??????

But the narrative didn't stop there. They switched back to what was going on at the army base. The troops were showing off some artillery for the President, and even THAT was something to trash the President over. The woman on the screen pointed out this was a demonstration for the cameras ( And ? ) She then said Trump has not been to the front lines to visit the troops there. She said troops are being shot at and killed in Afghanistan. So let me get this straight- CNN wants Trump to visit an active fire zone????? Do these clueless have any idea who much it costs for a President to visit an area like that, let alone the danger ?

All one has to do is watch either CNN or MSNBC for 10 minutes, and you will see how they are selling the American people a bill of fake goods.


bigblock46 73M
9552 posts
8/13/2018 2:10 pm

"Trump knows Mueller has something on him, so he is working to delegitimized the investigation ".

If there were anything on Trump, Adam Schiff would have leaked it by know. Schiff would be turning cartwheels and anyone with a molecule of brains knows that.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/13/2018 3:39 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    ]Lulu and Rent et al, might consider looking inwards at Canada's condition. A failing economy, a toy-boy Prime Minister who bumbles international relationships with everyone and vacations at will. Trudeau loves Muslims and treats them with more deference for them than Canadians. And a mayor in BC who thinks she can change the history of Canada by tearing down a statue of a man comparable to Geo Washington. Saudi Arabia hos thrown out Canada's Ambassador because of Trudeau's big mouth and cut off oil shipments to Canada. Why does Canada have to import oil when they are sitting a large portion of the worlds supply?
    Seems to me that concentrating on your own problems and give up bandying words on blogs here.

Rich, many of us south of the border have been asking the same question. Why must Lulu & Co. obsess over Trump when they have problems at home? The Left cannot resist demonizing their opposition. It's much more fun for them than accepting responsibility.


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/14/2018 3:19 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Jiminy, in your chaotic head, you might be advised to stick with the primary meaning of words like Lie and Truth and not try to create paradoxes or metaphors which you can't pull off. You are not a modern Demosthenes searching for an honest man, you are not Nietzsche exposing the foibles of the age with brilliant aphorisms. You're just a senior guy in Kansas with logorrhea.

    Yes, the press should report the President even if he is lying. Obama sure told some whoppers and they were usually reported. Trump has a salesman's approach to persuading others using hyperbole and exaggeration and sometimes the truth gets stretched to the breaking point. It's the job of pundits and editorialists to hold his feet to the fire, but not the job of the beat reporter.

    You might consider the possibility that Hillary and Barry also shaded the truth constantly, but lied more cleverly in lawyerly fashion. Trump, who is more of a care salesman/carnival barker and is much more transparent in his deceptions.
well it seems to you... that Trump just lies badly...everyone else is much better at it. At least you are admitting he doesn't tell the truth. many who support him thinks he does.. that he doesn't lie..no matter the evidence to the contrary. Trump believes that too..

I don't see the comparison.. I don't think there is such a thing as lying badly..

What I see.. is some lies hides behind a person principles of telling the truth.. disguised,, but falling within that person's parameters.. of what is the truth.. Anyway. that's what I see you do.
Trump to me is totally different... his lies serve his purpose without principles.
Everything he says is a lie...Everything he says is predicated on the principle.. you got to prove it's lie.. before it is a lie. Trump equates lies with the truth..as I previously stated... the truth is impossible to absolutely know.. Trump believes the savior of his Lies is that... a Lie is also impossible to know..

If Trump believes there is no principles in telling the truth.. then. for him there is no principles in telling a lie.. He just doesn't know the difference..

We can talk about all the "other stuff".. but when comes down to it for me..
there is only one thing.. that makes Trump unfit..

The man has No principles...If he doesn't have the principle of knowing the value of the truth.. then you must conclude.... he is void of principles.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/14/2018 8:55 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    well it seems to you... that Trump just lies badly...everyone else is much better at it. At least you are admitting he doesn't tell the truth. many who support him thinks he does.. that he doesn't lie..no matter the evidence to the contrary. Trump believes that too..

    I don't see the comparison.. I don't think there is such a thing as lying badly..

    What I see.. is some lies hides behind a person principles of telling the truth.. disguised,, but falling within that person's parameters.. of what is the truth.. Anyway. that's what I see you do.
    Trump to me is totally different... his lies serve his purpose without principles.
    Everything he says is a lie...Everything he says is predicated on the principle.. you got to prove it's lie.. before it is a lie. Trump equates lies with the truth..as I previously stated... the truth is impossible to absolutely know.. Trump believes the savior of his Lies is that... a Lie is also impossible to know..

    If Trump believes there is no principles in telling the truth.. then. for him there is no principles in telling a lie.. He just doesn't know the difference..

    We can talk about all the "other stuff".. but when comes down to it for me..
    there is only one thing.. that makes Trump unfit..

    The man has No principles...If he doesn't have the principle of knowing the value of the truth.. then you must conclude.... he is void of principles.
Both Hillary and Obama were and are capable of bald-faced lies. Obama, in particular, was adept at sounding eminently reasonable while snookering his followers and the public. How many lies did Hillary tell about her server and her e-mails? How many more about her influence-peddling via the Clinton Foundation? All were told in a dead-pan and lawyerly fgashion.

Trump, by contrast, reminds us of the care salesman who proclaims "this is the best car you will ever own." You know to take it with a grain of salt. I don't present this as an admirable characteristic at all, but who is more dangerous?


jiminycricket1 69M
11021 posts
8/14/2018 5:42 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Both Hillary and Obama were and are capable of bald-faced lies. Obama, in particular, was adept at sounding eminently reasonable while snookering his followers and the public. How many lies did Hillary tell about her server and her e-mails? How many more about her influence-peddling via the Clinton Foundation? All were told in a dead-pan and lawyerly fgashion.

    Trump, by contrast, reminds us of the care salesman who proclaims "this is the best car you will ever own." You know to take it with a grain of salt. I don't present this as an admirable characteristic at all, but who is more dangerous?
Well it depends on whether or not you're looking for a car!

In regards to Hillary and Obama....I have a big leadway in turning a truth to lie..
In Hillary's and Obama's case..... I give you that leadway....Although, I can disagree to a certain extent ... not as to what they say being a truth.. but what they say doesn't conform, to my idea of a lie... there is plenty of leadway between the two..

But Trump is a Lie.. that cannot be Turned into a truth.. with any leadway whatsoever.
In someone's mind a truth can become lie...
But in no sane person.... can a lie become the truth.
Trump obviously lies.. that he and some of his followers want to turn into a truth.
Trump could tell the truth.. and those against him could say it's a lie.... but we are NOT talking about that.

Ask Trump if he lies.. he will say he never lies......
The irony of that answer is that he always lies... so he's going to answer you with a lie..


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/14/2018 5:49 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    "They may be a leftward tilt by your standards, but not mine."

    Well, excuuuse us, but are we obliged to follow a miserly, cantankerous, socialist Canuck as our lodestar?

No, of course not/

But might comment on my example.
Or is that too difficult?


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/14/2018 5:51 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    ]Lulu and Rent et al, might consider looking inwards at Canada's condition. A failing economy, a toy-boy Prime Minister who bumbles international relationships with everyone and vacations at will. Trudeau loves Muslims and treats them with more deference for them than Canadians. And a mayor in BC who thinks she can change the history of Canada by tearing down a statue of a man comparable to Geo Washington. Saudi Arabia hos thrown out Canada's Ambassador because of Trudeau's big mouth and cut off oil shipments to Canada. Why does Canada have to import oil when they are sitting a large portion of the worlds supply?
    Seems to me that concentrating on your own problems and give up bandying words on blogs here.

Failing economy?

Can't say I noticed since the bottom number of my investment portfolio seems to be getting bigger.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/14/2018 5:53 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Rich, many of us south of the border have been asking the same question. Why must Lulu & Co. obsess over Trump when they have problems at home? The Left cannot resist demonizing their opposition. It's much more fun for them than accepting responsibility.
We obsess over Mango because you Yanks are setting the example for us.
I'd be happy to obsess over Canadian issues such as the selling of Tim Horton's to foreigners, but nobody cares about our pain.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/14/2018 5:56 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Except that isn't the " right wing party line", it is history, well documented in any account of how the media turned public opinion against the war, in biographies of LBJ , in Gallup polls at the time, and in most histories of the coverage of the war. You mock yourself with your lack of understanding of the influence of the big networks and newspapers before the internet.
What turned the public against the war was drafting middle class kids.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/14/2018 6:00 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    You write:
    "The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid." Did you fall asleep during the last 6 years of the Vietnam War and throughout the entire invasion of Iraq? Deploring these wars was standard from our chattering classes and media and it affected the outcomes of both wars. What you say is preposterous. You are simply unable to view the US with insight because you hate it so much.
No, I was not asleep.
I was watching CBS, NBC, and ABC.


Lisztomania 69M
10497 posts
8/14/2018 7:48 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    No, of course not/

    But might comment on my example.
    Or is that too difficult?
You stated that the US media supported the Iraq War. I can't agree with that at all. Perhaps there was a flush of patriotism BRIEFLY when the initial invasion of Iraq was so successful from a military standpoint. (Remember "shock and awe"?) After that all the MSM became disenchanted with the war. Remember Cindy Sheehan? She was the Gold Star mother who camped outside Bush's ranch to protest the War. The media covered her sympathetically for the remainder of Bush's presidency. The sympathy ended after 2008 when it turn out she criticized Obama and claimed the killing of Osama was a government hoax. While Bush was still president the media paid no attention to Bush's surge, which was successful. I don't see how you could possibly have drawn the conclusion that our media was cheerleading for the war.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/15/2018 5:10 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    You stated that the US media supported the Iraq War. I can't agree with that at all. Perhaps there was a flush of patriotism BRIEFLY when the initial invasion of Iraq was so successful from a military standpoint. (Remember "shock and awe"?) After that all the MSM became disenchanted with the war. Remember Cindy Sheehan? She was the Gold Star mother who camped outside Bush's ranch to protest the War. The media covered her sympathetically for the remainder of Bush's presidency. The sympathy ended after 2008 when it turn out she criticized Obama and claimed the killing of Osama was a government hoax. While Bush was still president the media paid no attention to Bush's surge, which was successful. I don't see how you could possibly have drawn the conclusion that our media was cheerleading for the war.
Briefly is enough given the lies used to justify it.
Invading Iraq for 911 made as much sense as attacking Spain for Pearl Harbor.


Rentier1
8640 posts
8/15/2018 5:14 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    You write:
    "The US media almost always supports US foreign policy even when it is obviously doing something really stupid." Did you fall asleep during the last 6 years of the Vietnam War and throughout the entire invasion of Iraq? Deploring these wars was standard from our chattering classes and media and it affected the outcomes of both wars. What you say is preposterous. You are simply unable to view the US with insight because you hate it so much.
I hate America in the same sense that Noam Chomsky hates America.
He has called it the world's no. 1 terrorist state.
I find it difficult to disagree with him on that one.

Doesn't mean I hate Americans.