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Lisztomania 69M
14094 posts
7/31/2018 7:47 pm
NO, JIMINY, I DON'T USE THE PHRASE 'WHITE AMERICA'


In your recent blog on the subject, you declare:

We don't say " Yellow China", or " Brown India", or "Arian Germany" for US that would be redundant.. But we do say...... White America."

I would argue to that no such entity exists … there no discrete (separate and distinct) group called "White America" because America is a motley group of ethnicities. Who would find this term useful? Maybe these people:

1) white supremacists, such as neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan

2) black activists, such as Black Lives Matter and the various Antifa groups.

3) the white rapper, Eminem, who wrote a with this title which seems to be anti-"white America."

4) You, JC, according to your blog.

You could make reference to "white Americans," which would indicate a demographic group, but in a neutral way. Ditto for "black Americans" and any other ethnic group.

But "White America"? Simply divisive, and even implicitly racist.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/31/2018 7:51 pm

Our "national conversation on race" is a travesty. Why? Because only one set of answers is acceptable. Whites who engage in such a dialog, say at Starbucks, must express guilt and contrition. This is not a conversation.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/31/2018 7:58 pm

Southern cities are less segregated than northern cities by and large. I live on a predominantly white street, but my next-door neighbor is a black, a professional older guy who does fund-raising for UT-Chattanooga. I drive a couple of blocks east and I am on Brainerd Road, which is majority-minority. There is no "White Chattanooga."


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
7/31/2018 9:48 pm

lisz, you speak volumes. as does your lady. sad thing is any one expressing the thoughts you posted is labeled a racist, Nazi , white supremist , klan member or facist .

any white expressing any view other than one of guilt an apologist is labeled.

the racebaiters and or the liberal leftist have carte blanche to say or do as they wish.

all under the guise of equailty. what is , simple put, i want it my way or else.

they are losing. the wind is blowing in adirection that doesnt bode well for nancy and her winged monkeys.

i see huge turn out in support of trumps plans.

maxi will lose. nancy maybe.

history tends to remind us of the faults of the past 2016 comes to mind

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
8/1/2018 5:34 am

I have never used the phrase, never even thought of America that way, but I've heard the expression coming from race baiters.

If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/1/2018 6:29 am

The funny thing about a two word noun....is the redundancy of having to say them both.....Like a liberal saying a Nazi Racist....When one so strongly connotes the other. you can just leave one of them out...
My blog intended to create that redundancy... not create the word..."White America".
That word is not used commonly.....because it has no need to be said.
Except by those..Nazi, racist, white Americans. who's only wish is to be divisive..

The distinction arises from our common use of "Black American", "Hispanic American", "Muslim American" and "Asian American"... We defined those terms as segments of American.....there is no need to say "White American", or "Caucasian American".....Only those who are "other Americans" need to define who they are..

Again the irony and the proof.. is not only in "White America" believing that "White America" .. would be redundant and not having to say it.
But those "others".... do NOT define themselves as separate from each other......but separate from..'White America".


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/1/2018 7:03 am

This is not NEW.. It's old as America itself.....but it needs to change..
It's been changing...some people haven't noticed it...and some refuses to.

We are all old enough here.. that we should remember this...To me it's clear as day..
The day for me..... it started changing..

We filled out forms and applications... And when it came to ethnicity..I could go right by it... I had no ethnicity.. I was American...

Then maybe forty years ago... someone decided to put in a checkbox for race/ ethnicity.
of..... WHITE/CAUCASIAN!
That kind of surprised me... I always thought.. I was American...!


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/1/2018 10:23 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The funny thing about a two word noun....is the redundancy of having to say them both.....Like a liberal saying a Nazi Racist....When one so strongly connotes the other. you can just leave one of them out...
    My blog intended to create that redundancy... not create the word..."White America".
    That word is not used commonly.....because it has no need to be said.
    Except by those..Nazi, racist, white Americans. who's only wish is to be divisive..

    The distinction arises from our common use of "Black American", "Hispanic American", "Muslim American" and "Asian American"... We defined those terms as segments of American.....there is no need to say "White American", or "Caucasian American".....Only those who are "other Americans" need to define who they are..

    Again the irony and the proof.. is not only in "White America" believing that "White America" .. would be redundant and not having to say it.
    But those "others".... do NOT define themselves as separate from each other......but separate from..'White America".
I think I begin to understand you, but can't fully agree with you. I believe you are talking about the concept of "otherness," encountered in literature and sociology, which has been used in reference to race, but also to gender, religion, and class. To suggest that blacks are the "other" as opposed to whites had validity at one time. Ralph Ellison's The Invisible Man of the early 50's would be a novelized expression of the concept.

But the emphasis on the "otherness" of blacks has little relevance today. To consider "White America" to be a redundancy today is simply wrong and even harmful.

Lulu calls me a racist on a regular basis. (Her refrain from the other day, to Maisie, "your old man is a racist" sounds a lot like your mother wears combat boots.) But I assure you when I think about America as a whole, let's say when traveling abroad, I do not envision a New England village or Fargo, ND. The term "White America" is of use today only for race-baiters, as mrsjoe said.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/1/2018 11:27 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I think I begin to understand you, but can't fully agree with you. I believe you are talking about the concept of "otherness," encountered in literature and sociology, which has been used in reference to race, but also to gender, religion, and class. To suggest that blacks are the "other" as opposed to whites had validity at one time. Ralph Ellison's The Invisible Man of the early 50's would be a novelized expression of the concept.

    But the emphasis on the "otherness" of blacks has little relevance today. To consider "White America" to be a redundancy today is simply wrong and even harmful.

    Lulu calls me a racist on a regular basis. (Her refrain from the other day, to Maisie, "your old man is a racist" sounds a lot like your mother wears combat boots.) But I assure you when I think about America as a whole, let's say when traveling abroad, I do not envision a New England village or Fargo, ND. The term "White America" is of use today only for race-baiters, as mrsjoe said.
Thank you.. for adding to my point .. instead of trying to subtract from it..
Yes it is about the "other".. the other America, the other races, the other nationalities, the other gender, the other class, the other political ideology.......It all about the "other"........and what "other" Americans means to you.... what ""other" connotes to YOU

I agree people who say.."White America" are race-baiters..they aren't creating it... They are throwing into people faces...
Because people who think it and don't say it......aren't throwing it in the other faces.....aren't trying to screw someone else, but are complicit in the screwing..
They may not be race-baiters.. but are just baiting the race-baiters.. they are complicit by allowing their desire for "master" baiting.????


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/1/2018 4:30 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I think I begin to understand you, but can't fully agree with you. I believe you are talking about the concept of "otherness," encountered in literature and sociology, which has been used in reference to race, but also to gender, religion, and class. To suggest that blacks are the "other" as opposed to whites had validity at one time. Ralph Ellison's The Invisible Man of the early 50's would be a novelized expression of the concept.

    But the emphasis on the "otherness" of blacks has little relevance today. To consider "White America" to be a redundancy today is simply wrong and even harmful.

    Lulu calls me a racist on a regular basis. (Her refrain from the other day, to Maisie, "your old man is a racist" sounds a lot like your mother wears combat boots.) But I assure you when I think about America as a whole, let's say when traveling abroad, I do not envision a New England village or Fargo, ND. The term "White America" is of use today only for race-baiters, as mrsjoe said.
Do you understand that placing words between quotation marks means that those are the actual words said?........I did not say that, I said that you participate in Hiram's racist and sexist language.......I have never called you a racist, I have said you sometimes use racist language.....know the difference.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/1/2018 4:58 pm

And Liszt. I'm sorry that referring to you as "your old man" when talking to Maisie hurt your feelings. Where I live, referring to a spouse as my/your old man or old lady is common and considered affectionate.......differences in culture on the Canadian West Coast versus the American South- East are inevitable. I won't use it again.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/1/2018 6:44 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Do you understand that placing words between quotation marks means that those are the actual words said?........I did not say that, I said that you participate in Hiram's racist and sexist language.......I have never called you a racist, I have said you sometimes use racist language.....know the difference.
LOL, you used the expression twice. No, it didn't really bother me, but it's the sort of thing that biker chicks say, and didn't seem to suit you. I can't see the difference between "participation in racism" and plain old racism.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/1/2018 8:53 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    LOL, you used the expression twice. No, it didn't really bother me, but it's the sort of thing that biker chicks say, and didn't seem to suit you. I can't see the difference between "participation in racism" and plain old racism.
I have burn scars on my ankles from Harley exhaust pipes and I do look damn good in black leather chaps, I'll have you know.... I have been to a meet or two and when they yelled "show me your tits". I did.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/2/2018 6:16 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    And Liszt. I'm sorry that referring to you as "your old man" when talking to Maisie hurt your feelings. Where I live, referring to a spouse as my/your old man or old lady is common and considered affectionate.......differences in culture on the Canadian West Coast versus the American South- East are inevitable. I won't use it again.
In the Middle Atlantic, where I am from, the term is low class, and ranks right down there with " hubby " , which is viewed as an attempt to be cute, but makes you look stupid. The term husband or wife is most commonly used, or the person's name.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
8/2/2018 7:24 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    In the Middle Atlantic, where I am from, the term is low class, and ranks right down there with " hubby " , which is viewed as an attempt to be cute, but makes you look stupid. The term husband or wife is most commonly used, or the person's name.
I know this is chasing a rabbit that veered off topic, but I wanted to add that I agree with Lulu about the use of the term "your old man" or "your old woman".
I've heard that term, and used it, all my life and considered it a term of affection that brings the image of a comfortable relationship between the couple.


If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/2/2018 7:29 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Do you understand that placing words between quotation marks means that those are the actual words said?........I did not say that, I said that you participate in Hiram's racist and sexist language.......I have never called you a racist, I have said you sometimes use racist language.....know the difference.
I use quotation marks.... to distinguish between what is actually said.. and it's different meanings..


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
8/2/2018 9:42 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I know this is chasing a rabbit that veered off topic, but I wanted to add that I agree with Lulu about the use of the term "your old man" or "your old woman".
    I've heard that term, and used it, all my life and considered it a term of affection that brings the image of a comfortable relationship between the couple.
mrsjoe, I think the term is "your old lady" rather than "your old woman," lol. I just found the term a bit amusing coming from LuLu, as I associate it with aging hippies and bikers. But she has addressed that above.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/2/2018 11:25 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    In the Middle Atlantic, where I am from, the term is low class, and ranks right down there with " hubby " , which is viewed as an attempt to be cute, but makes you look stupid. The term husband or wife is most commonly used, or the person's name.
Well, how very proper of you........I don't know how things are in the Middle of the Atlantic where you come from, but in the rest of the developed world, there are many diverse configurations of adult relationships.....one doesn't always know what exactly the legal status of a cohabiting couple is, or how they prefer to be referred to, so various colloquialisms are used...


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/2/2018 3:33 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Well, how very proper of you........I don't know how things are in the Middle of the Atlantic where you come from, but in the rest of the developed world, there are many diverse configurations of adult relationships.....one doesn't always know what exactly the legal status of a cohabiting couple is, or how they prefer to be referred to, so various colloquialisms are used...
Perhaps you are not familiar with US geography. Mid Atlantic refers to the region on the East Coast between the Northeast and the South. Maryland, Delaware, Northern VA, DC, more or less. The accent is distinctive as well, as there is no Southern nor New York in the voice.

I see no reason to use colloquialisms when a person's name is much more polite.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
8/2/2018 10:13 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Perhaps you are not familiar with US geography. Mid Atlantic refers to the region on the East Coast between the Northeast and the South. Maryland, Delaware, Northern VA, DC, more or less. The accent is distinctive as well, as there is no Southern nor New York in the voice.

    I see no reason to use colloquialisms when a person's name is much more polite.
I made a joke.....you never get them.........In one of your recent blogs I commented on your rudeness in referring to many people by nasty nicknames and you flipped me off.....You are one of the most rude people I have ever come across, so your sanctimony is laughable.......