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Lisztomania 69M
14094 posts
7/20/2018 8:02 pm
JUST WHY WOULD TRUMP TRUST OUR INTELLIGENCE SERVICES ANYWAY?


Let's review who was in charge of the nation's intelligence service in the 2016 election campaign. James Clapper, a man plausibly accused of perjury to Congress, was the Director of National Intelligence. Head of the CIA was John Brennan, who is off the charts on the Trump-hating scale. He has denounced Trump in the most extreme terms, including calling him treasonous.
(Which betrays his ignorance of the Constitution, which defines treason very specifically.) James Comey was director of the FBI. That speaks for itself … Comey is now despised by right and left alike, and the sanctimonious drama queen has aligned himself now with the Democrats.

And who directed this menagerie? Barack Obama, of course, assisted by his éminence grise, Valerie Jarrett. It is hard to believe he did not have direct hand in the entire matter. Why did he not do something about the meddling when it was actually happening? He assumed that Hillary would win and it was insignificant.

Why in hell would Trump have confidence in this crew of enemies? Trump is not wrong to see the meddling probe as designed to de-legitimize his election. Of course it is.

Secondly, all the great powers routinely seek to influence the outcome of the elections of rival powers. Russia has been screwing with us since the end of WW2, and we with them. The most notorious recent American effort to affect a foreign election was Obama's attempt to oust Bibi Netanyahu in Israel. And now these hypocrites lift their skirts and recoil in horror because Russia ineffectively tried to influence our election.

Canada at this very moment is trying to influence our midterm election this year. How, you say? The tariffs they have imposed in response to Trump's tariffs, are targeted to hurt Trump states. Cheese from Wisconsin. Bourbon from Tennessee. Surgical hits.

None of this excuses Trump from his lame press conference in Helsinki, where he gave the impression that Putin had eaten his lunch. I didn't like it either.

But I understand why.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/20/2018 8:08 pm

I might add that Robert Mueller served as FBI director for 2 years under Obama and considered Comey to be his protégé. He has hired a team of Clinton-friendly lawyers to conduct his investigation, and has consistently squeezed only Trump supporters like Manafort.


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/20/2018 9:40 pm

I must say I've been thinking the same thing. The corruption remaining in the government from Obama still lingers; If HRC had been elected we would never been aware of it. None of them are worthy of trust;

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


kneedtwoplease 64M
1066 posts
7/20/2018 10:36 pm

Great BLOG, needs to be said! Obivious


earthytaurus3 79F
39791 posts
7/21/2018 3:14 am

You've missed your calling. --- OR, am I duped into believing this isn't fiction?? Sounds to me like you rival Patterson and Clinton in this narrative. IF you're lucky, it will make a series.


bigblock46 73M
9076 posts
7/21/2018 4:48 am

The Obama administration CIA Director John Brennan, now an analyst for NBC and MSNBC, and Obama administration Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, now an analyst CNN.

James Comey misled a FISA court by not providing the entire truth about the Steele dossier. He falsely assured the president that he was not under investigation while likely leaking to others that Mr. Trump was, in fact, under investigation.

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied under oath to the Senate Intelligence Committee when he said that the National Security Agency did not collect data on American citizens. When caught in the lie, Mr. Clapper claimed that he had given the “least untruthful” answer to the committee that he could publicly provide.

John Brennan is typical of the careerist deep state.

Let us not forget Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, and Rod Rosenstein.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
7/21/2018 6:22 am

Heck, I wonder why would we trust any of our government?

If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/21/2018 6:31 am

Back in Jan 2017, Chuck Schumer warned against going after the intel agencies. He said " they will get you". Maybe this is why they have allowed to run amok for decades.
Cross dresser J Edgar no doubt had something on every President, which is why he was allowed to keep his job for so long. He hated the Kennedys and vice versa. Which is why he , LBJ, Dallas law enforcement was allowed to cover up a Presidential assassination . Bobby's was never investigated properly either. They did let Joe and Ted cover up the murder of Mary Joe, but that could have been mostly local law enforcement, and Joe calling in political favors. However, if the FBI had wanted to, they could have investigated more.

Thanks to lots of electronic information, we can see how blatantly biased the FBI was. Thanks to his TV gig , Brennan gets to say what he really thinks. There are reports he still has top secret security clearance. Either way, I am sure he is the source of all Mueller leaks.
As for Mueller , the entire premise of the investigation is circular. They used an unverified ( their words, not mine ) dossier to obtain a FISA warrant and then said the FISA warrant was the justification for more investigations.

In another time, I am sure the Deep State would have engineered an assassination of Trump before the election, or right after, and found their suitable Lee Harvey or Sirhan patsy.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/21/2018 8:32 am

Speaking of US/Russia election meddling, I ran across this Michael Doughtery column:

"Back in 1996, Dick Morris acted as the middleman between President Bill Clinton and the team of American political consultants deployed to Moscow to make sure that, by hook or crook, Boris Yeltsin won the upcoming Russian election. Polls showed Russians favoring the Communist Gennadi Zyuganov, and Yeltsin in the single digits. Bill Clinton, Prime Minister John Major, Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and a number of emerging Russian oligarchs were going to make sure their man won Russia’s first “free and fair” election in the post-Soviet era. The free choice of Russians and the fairness of the election hardly factored into it.
There is much debate about how much these Americans actually helped Yeltsin win. But what wasn’t in doubt was that America’s endorsement of Yeltsin, which came in the form of a giant cash infusion, helped the incumbent at a crucial moment, and allowed Russian oligarchs to coordinate their efforts as well. Reliable numbers are impossible to know, but it may have been the world’s most expensively bought election. "

Just a little reminder for all those who think the US has clean hands, and somehow the claims of 2016 meddling are some new thing. You know, like all the horrible things that never happened in the history of the US before Trump.
Maybe we should change our time designations from BC and AD to BT and AT.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 8:48 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    The Obama administration CIA Director John Brennan, now an analyst for NBC and MSNBC, and Obama administration Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, now an analyst CNN.

    James Comey misled a FISA court by not providing the entire truth about the Steele dossier. He falsely assured the president that he was not under investigation while likely leaking to others that Mr. Trump was, in fact, under investigation.

    Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied under oath to the Senate Intelligence Committee when he said that the National Security Agency did not collect data on American citizens. When caught in the lie, Mr. Clapper claimed that he had given the “least untruthful” answer to the committee that he could publicly provide.

    John Brennan is typical of the careerist deep state.

    Let us not forget Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, and Rod Rosenstein.
And none of these rogues would have been exposed if Hillary had won the election. Trump's election was like turning the light on in the kitchen and revealing all the cockroaches running for cover.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 8:51 am

    Quoting earthytaurus3:
    You've missed your calling. --- OR, am I duped into believing this isn't fiction?? Sounds to me like you rival Patterson and Clinton in this narrative. IF you're lucky, it will make a series.
Well, I have always wanted to write a novel! But I'm afraid there is nothing fictitious about what I wrote here -- it's all a matter of public record.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 8:59 am

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I must say I've been thinking the same thing. The corruption remaining in the government from Obama still lingers; If HRC had been elected we would never been aware of it. None of them are worthy of trust;
I agree. Trump has been chipping away at the deep state of his own executive branch and at the federal judiciary, but it's a huge job. He finally has the right foreign policy team together with Pompeo at State and John Bolton as National Security advisor. (Rex Tillerson was a poor appointment.) But now he needs to get a handle on the DOJ. The FBI especially has been revealed as rotten at the top, and has been functioning more as a secret police than an investigative agency. I don't see any way around canning Jeff Sessions.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 9:09 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Speaking of US/Russia election meddling, I ran across this Michael Doughtery column:

    "Back in 1996, Dick Morris acted as the middleman between President Bill Clinton and the team of American political consultants deployed to Moscow to make sure that, by hook or crook, Boris Yeltsin won the upcoming Russian election. Polls showed Russians favoring the Communist Gennadi Zyuganov, and Yeltsin in the single digits. Bill Clinton, Prime Minister John Major, Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and a number of emerging Russian oligarchs were going to make sure their man won Russia’s first “free and fair” election in the post-Soviet era. The free choice of Russians and the fairness of the election hardly factored into it.
    There is much debate about how much these Americans actually helped Yeltsin win. But what wasn’t in doubt was that America’s endorsement of Yeltsin, which came in the form of a giant cash infusion, helped the incumbent at a crucial moment, and allowed Russian oligarchs to coordinate their efforts as well. Reliable numbers are impossible to know, but it may have been the world’s most expensively bought election. "

    Just a little reminder for all those who think the US has clean hands, and somehow the claims of 2016 meddling are some new thing. You know, like all the horrible things that never happened in the history of the US before Trump.
    Maybe we should change our time designations from BC and AD to BT and AT.
Very well researched. Anyone who has ever read a John Le Carré or Tom Clancy novel knows that the chief activity of the CIA/KGB/MI5 etc. is to meddle with foreign governments. And now suddenly old lefties like Dusty are becoming Cold Warriors, deploring commies like Joe McCarthy did. Anything to impede Trump's agenda.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 9:15 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Heck, I wonder why would we trust any of our government?
Why indeed? It reminds me of Ben Franklin's answer when asked if the new government was to be a monarchy or a republic. He said, "a republic, if you can keep it." Somewhere along the way we lost it. Trump's swamp-draining is an act of reclamation.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 9:20 am

Thanks, Kneed! Our intelligence community has often been wrong, or behaved badly.


MrsJoe 72F
10910 posts
7/21/2018 9:46 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Why indeed? It reminds me of Ben Franklin's answer when asked if the new government was to be a monarchy or a republic. He said, "a republic, if you can keep it." Somewhere along the way we lost it. Trump's swamp-draining is an act of reclamation.
Liszt, I'm afraid that (today anyway) I have become a fatalist. Our country is like a patient with cancer that has been undiagnosed, symptoms ignored, for so long that it is in latter stages of diseases and even radical treatment is iffy.

If you don't expect anything from anybody......You won't be disappointed.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 10:15 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Liszt, I'm afraid that (today anyway) I have become a fatalist. Our country is like a patient with cancer that has been undiagnosed, symptoms ignored, for so long that it is in latter stages of diseases and even radical treatment is iffy.
A good analogy, though depressing. If the resistance people succeed in ousting Trump (their obsession) we will be back to square one.


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/21/2018 10:45 am

I have also wondered if Sessions hasn't been intimidated by the nest of snakes he found when taking over Justice. We here so little from him of any consequence leaving Rosenstein to be spokesman for the Dept. It has been a political nightmare for Trump wading through the sewage of this swamp. Some wholesale firings need to happen but then they will begin yelling obstruction of justice that they can use as grounds for impeachment.

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/21/2018 11:09 am

    Quoting earthytaurus3:
    You've missed your calling. --- OR, am I duped into believing this isn't fiction?? Sounds to me like you rival Patterson and Clinton in this narrative. IF you're lucky, it will make a series.
Everything in his blog is true. Comey said a couple of days ago that everyone needs to vote Democrat, the issues didn't matter. Brennen called Trump a traitor, which, by the Constitution is punishable by death. What I haven't figured out yet, is when Congress declared official war on Russia, as treason is defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Both Obama and Hillary said they wanted a strong Russia, and pushed a nice big reset button.

And let's not forget the thousands of anti-Trump texts between Strzok and Page, including the one where Strzok says " we" will stop Trump from becoming President, and that Hillary should win 100 million to nothing.
Obama was sure Hillary would win. He said a few days before the election that no " reasonable person " would believe Russia could interfere with the electoral process.
They lied on the FISA warrants. Strzok , found to his glee, he knew one of the FISA judges and was going to contact him, according to another text exchange.

Intelligence agencies can monitor everything you do. They got caught capturing metadata of ordinary citizens and that scandal was quickly shoved under the rug. If you recall, Clapper lied to Congress about that. If they wanted to, they could surveil you, as James Rosen's parents found out. Please don't think they have not been pulling a lot of political strings for decades, until Trump upset their cozy applecart.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/21/2018 11:47 am

EX CIA Director John Brennan said Trump’s comments during a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday were “treasonous,”.

Quote Brennan "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of high crimes & misdemeanors,” ... “It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. REPUBLICAN PARIOTS WHERE ARE YOU"


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 12:05 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    EX CIA Director John Brennan said Trump’s comments during a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday were “treasonous,”.

    Quote Brennan "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of high crimes & misdemeanors,” ... “It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. REPUBLICAN PARIOTS WHERE ARE YOU"
Exactly the point of my blog. Brennan is off his rocker, and there is no reason to believe his hyperboles. Clearly he was never fit to be the head spook.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 12:10 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I have also wondered if Sessions hasn't been intimidated by the nest of snakes he found when taking over Justice. We here so little from him of any consequence leaving Rosenstein to be spokesman for the Dept. It has been a political nightmare for Trump wading through the sewage of this swamp. Some wholesale firings need to happen but then they will begin yelling obstruction of justice that they can use as grounds for impeachment.
Trump is between a rock and a hard place with Sessions, as you say. The easiest way out would be for Sessions to resign of his own accord. I don't understand why he is hanging on when he has failed so miserably to run the department.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/21/2018 12:14 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Exactly the point of my blog. Brennan is off his rocker, and there is no reason to believe his hyperboles. Clearly he was never fit to be the head spook.
Maybe check Brennan's credentials and stack them up against Trump's.

Weather you like Brennan's statements or not, they are his opinion and it's a popular opinion.

And it looks like that opinion is the reason Trump came home from Helsinki and lied about what he said. Or do you think it was just an honest mistake .. a double negative?


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/21/2018 1:34 pm

You claim to spout the truth, but your exclamations amount to no more than the opinions opposing those on the left. We have a president who has consistently lied to us for no other reason than his self aggrandizement. The truth to Donald Trump is a moving target difficult to see sometimes and always difficult to hit. You have chosen to believe him, however the majority of Americans have finally begun to see the ineptitude and the fallacious nature of his presidency. In addition to his blatant and copious prevarication, the president has not yet learned to art of choosing advisers capable of running large departments and making prudent decisions. His inability to do so demonstrates accurately his lack of learning ability and furthers his pogrom of leadership failure.

as a result of the foregoing, it leaves President Trump with no alternative than to continue his failures since legitimate answers to the problems he faces are unavailable. Despite the incantations of you and your followers President Trump has no answers and lacks the capability to ascertain the answers to many of the problems you list. The Canadian tariffs come as a direct result of the tariffs he single handedly imposed on them, much the same as the soybean crisis our farmers currently face. Those maladies cannot be blamed on anyone but President Trump and any attempt to do so is nothing more than avoiding responsibility.Your attempt to do so borders on being disingenuous.

As for the "Very well researched" post on the Yeltsin election, perhaps a reading of a Politico article on that very subject https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/russia-putin-hack-dnc-clinton-election-2016-cold-war-214532, will assist in demonstrating alternative interpretations of the well researched post. Your paradigm continually finds itself on the wrong side of accuracy. All this takes is a modicum of critical thinking and a mind at least partially open to alternative ideas. Otherwise, the GIN mentality prevails.


Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


bigblock46 73M
9076 posts
7/21/2018 3:02 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Maybe check Brennan's credentials and stack them up against Trump's.

    Weather you like Brennan's statements or not, they are his opinion and it's a popular opinion.

    And it looks like that opinion is the reason Trump came home from Helsinki and lied about what he said. Or do you think it was just an honest mistake .. a double negative?
1) In 2011, Brennan, then the country’s chief counterterrorism adviser, had sworn to Congress that scores of drones strikes abroad had not killed a single noncombatant — at a time when both the president and the CIA were both receiving numerous reports of civilian collateral deaths.

2) In 2014, John Brennan, now as CIA director, lied emphatically that the CIA had not illegally accessed the computers of U.S. Senate staffers who were then exploring a CIA role in torturing detainees. Or as he told Andrea Mitchell: “As far as the allegations of the CIA hacking into Senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth. . . . We wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the, you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we do.” Brennan’s chronic deceptions drew the ire of a number of liberal senators, some of whom echoed the Washington Post’s call for his immediate resignation. After months of prevarications, but only upon release of the CIA inspector general’s report, Brennan apologized to the senators he had deceived.

3) Brennan, in May 2017, as an ex-CIA director, again almost certainly did not tell the truth to Congress when he testified in answer to Representative Trey Gowdy’s questions that he neither knew who had commissioned the Steele dossier nor had the CIA relied on its contents for any action. Yet both the retired National Security Agency director, Michael Rogers, and the former director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, have conceded that the Steele dossier — along with the knowledge that it was a Clinton-campaign-funded product — most certainly did help shape the Obama’s intelligence communality interagency assessments and actions, often under the urging of Brennan himself. There are also numerous reports that, despite his denials about knowledge of the dossier, Brennan served as a stealthy conduit to ensure that it was disseminated widely, at least in the sense of meeting in August 2016 with Senator Harry Reid to brief the senator about its unverified contents in hopes that he would pressure the FBI to further its investigations, which Reid did in a call two days later to James Comey.


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/21/2018 3:29 pm

The power of the one=sided media is also blatantly evidenced here. The non=journalistic performance manifests itself in political harangue sopped up by their audience and echoed all over this country as well as in here.
The hatred expressed is difficult to understand to any fair=minded person when it is directed toward a man who loves his country so much and won't even accept a salary. He devotes hours each day trying to make things better for us and yet he is still cursed. Like someone said, if he found a cure for cancer and gave it to every one free he would still be hated; I for one am sick of hearing them shoot their mouths off and reading their comments. They are pompous twits, and I have no respect for them.


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
7/21/2018 4:34 pm

Because it's OUR intelligence agency...... and somehow you are going to go along with trusting Trump's intelligence agency? He says "he trusts.. my intelligence agency".. WTF do you think that means?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 5:25 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Maybe check Brennan's credentials and stack them up against Trump's.

    Weather you like Brennan's statements or not, they are his opinion and it's a popular opinion.

    And it looks like that opinion is the reason Trump came home from Helsinki and lied about what he said. Or do you think it was just an honest mistake .. a double negative?
Trump never sought to be CIA chief. Credentialism is one of the last refuge of scoundrels. Regardless of his background (which is not all that lustrous), he has shown that he has neither the temperament or the discretion to be a top spy.

No other former CIA chief got a TV gig to fulminate against the sitting president. At present, he is the one giving aid and comfort to our enemies.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 5:30 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    You claim to spout the truth, but your exclamations amount to no more than the opinions opposing those on the left. We have a president who has consistently lied to us for no other reason than his self aggrandizement. The truth to Donald Trump is a moving target difficult to see sometimes and always difficult to hit. You have chosen to believe him, however the majority of Americans have finally begun to see the ineptitude and the fallacious nature of his presidency. In addition to his blatant and copious prevarication, the president has not yet learned to art of choosing advisers capable of running large departments and making prudent decisions. His inability to do so demonstrates accurately his lack of learning ability and furthers his pogrom of leadership failure.

    as a result of the foregoing, it leaves President Trump with no alternative than to continue his failures since legitimate answers to the problems he faces are unavailable. Despite the incantations of you and your followers President Trump has no answers and lacks the capability to ascertain the answers to many of the problems you list. The Canadian tariffs come as a direct result of the tariffs he single handedly imposed on them, much the same as the soybean crisis our farmers currently face. Those maladies cannot be blamed on anyone but President Trump and any attempt to do so is nothing more than avoiding responsibility.Your attempt to do so borders on being disingenuous.

    As for the "Very well researched" post on the Yeltsin election, perhaps a reading of a Politico article on that very subject https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/russia-putin-hack-dnc-clinton-election-2016-cold-war-214532, will assist in demonstrating alternative interpretations of the well researched post. Your paradigm continually finds itself on the wrong side of accuracy. All this takes is a modicum of critical thinking and a mind at least partially open to alternative ideas. Otherwise, the GIN mentality prevails.
There is always a subjective element in political analysis, as you abundantly demonstrate in all your blogs and comments. You have not refuted a signal factual point I made. You have succeeded again in being a didactic bore with a wiser-than-thou air. And your GIN references are obnoxious.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/21/2018 6:59 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Because it's OUR intelligence agency...... and somehow you are going to go along with trusting Trump's intelligence agency? He says "he trusts.. my intelligence agency".. WTF do you think that means?
and you likely criticized Bush 43 for believing our intelligence agencies about WMDs in Iraq.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/21/2018 7:56 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    You claim to spout the truth, but your exclamations amount to no more than the opinions opposing those on the left. We have a president who has consistently lied to us for no other reason than his self aggrandizement. The truth to Donald Trump is a moving target difficult to see sometimes and always difficult to hit. You have chosen to believe him, however the majority of Americans have finally begun to see the ineptitude and the fallacious nature of his presidency. In addition to his blatant and copious prevarication, the president has not yet learned to art of choosing advisers capable of running large departments and making prudent decisions. His inability to do so demonstrates accurately his lack of learning ability and furthers his pogrom of leadership failure.

    as a result of the foregoing, it leaves President Trump with no alternative than to continue his failures since legitimate answers to the problems he faces are unavailable. Despite the incantations of you and your followers President Trump has no answers and lacks the capability to ascertain the answers to many of the problems you list. The Canadian tariffs come as a direct result of the tariffs he single handedly imposed on them, much the same as the soybean crisis our farmers currently face. Those maladies cannot be blamed on anyone but President Trump and any attempt to do so is nothing more than avoiding responsibility.Your attempt to do so borders on being disingenuous.

    As for the "Very well researched" post on the Yeltsin election, perhaps a reading of a Politico article on that very subject https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/russia-putin-hack-dnc-clinton-election-2016-cold-war-214532, will assist in demonstrating alternative interpretations of the well researched post. Your paradigm continually finds itself on the wrong side of accuracy. All this takes is a modicum of critical thinking and a mind at least partially open to alternative ideas. Otherwise, the GIN mentality prevails.
So let's break this down. The blog is 100% opinion, you say. Then you proceed to offer incorrect facts ( Canadian tariffs ) and nothing else. So why not tell us that Comey DID NOT tell everyone to vote Democrat, Brennen DID NOT call Trump treasonous, the Obama administration was NOT caught red handed funding an anti Netanyahu group, and Canada has never had tariffs on US goods before Trump.
Let me just save you a teeny bit of time. Although Canada eliminated tariffs on all industrial and most agricultural products imported from the United States under the terms of NAFTA, tariffs and tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) remain in place on dairy and poultry tariff lines.
Canada uses supply-management systems to regulate its dairy, chicken, turkey, and egg industries. U.S. imports above quota levels are subject to high tariffs (e.g., 245 percent for cheese, 298 percent for butter).
Canadians face high provincial taxes on personal imports of U.S. wines and spirits upon return to Canada from the United States. For cable television and direct-to-home broadcast services, more than 50 percent of the channels subscribers receive must be Canadian programming services.
There is a lot more, but it sure looks like Canada is looking after Canada, and has been for a lot longer than Trump.
But what the hell, when you can blame Trump, why let the facts get in the way?

Oh, and you have your usual pompous, supercilious, condescending tone.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/21/2018 8:11 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    EX CIA Director John Brennan said Trump’s comments during a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday were “treasonous,”.

    Quote Brennan "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of high crimes & misdemeanors,” ... “It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. REPUBLICAN PARIOTS WHERE ARE YOU"
Ah -Brennen who, in 1980, supported and voted for the presidential candidate of the American Communist Party, Gus Hall. Indeed, the CPUSA at that time was dedicated to gaining support for Soviet foreign policy, with the intent of defeating the United States in the Cold War.
Was it a one-off ? Probably, but you can be damn sure if Trump had done that it would be blased all day, every day, and written into articles of impeachment.

We have had some people in the leadership of the intel organizations who think themselves above the law, and who, if we all knew the truth, would be appalled at how much of the political system they control.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/21/2018 9:24 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Trump never sought to be CIA chief. Credentialism is one of the last refuge of scoundrels. Regardless of his background (which is not all that lustrous), he has shown that he has neither the temperament or the discretion to be a top spy.

    No other former CIA chief got a TV gig to fulminate against the sitting president. At present, he is the one giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
Sure, fair enough … but the Brennan story is ...

Brennan said Trump's behavior is treasonous! Republicans agreed. Then Trump decides to CHANGED HIS STORY about what he said in Helsinki .. and lie about what he said in Helsinki.

I'd like to know what you think .. another lie, or Trump just made an honest mistake. … kind of a double negative sort of thing?


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
7/21/2018 11:17 pm

as I said before. TRUMP WILL BE RELECTED . HIS PROGRAMS WILL AN ARE WORKING.

THERE IS NOTHING THE HATERS CAN DO. WORKING YOUR SELVES INTO A FRENZY WILL NOT HELP.

FIND A BETTER candidate. LOWER LETTERS CUZ LAST DEM CANDIDATE WAS SIMPLY BAD.

THERE IS TIME.

OR... JUST CHOOSE AMONGST , UNCLE JOE, AUNTIE MAXINE , SQUAW WARREN,

BRO BOOKER, SISTA HARRIS, AND LAST . MAMMY PELOSI.

THE PLAIN AZZ TRUFF IS, AINT NONE OF THEN GUNNA BEAT THE MAN.

DONALD J TRUMP.

I UNDERSTAND ITS ROUGH. BUT.... GET USE TO IT.

PENCE/HALEY 2024.. THE FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHTER

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/22/2018 4:29 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    There is always a subjective element in political analysis, as you abundantly demonstrate in all your blogs and comments. You have not refuted a signal factual point I made. You have succeeded again in being a didactic bore with a wiser-than-thou air. And your GIN references are obnoxious.
I see no value in refuting those bits of information you refer to as facts. Genuine and productive research analyses all aspects of the subject to be studied. Both you and your wife have research skills no better than those of BigBlock, and he couldn't find a bleeding elephant in a fresh snow. The point of research is to inform the researcher of all the facts and circumstances on a given subject in order to develop a reasonable, accurate opinion on the matter. You folks tend to formulate an opinion and then look for the facts which might substantiate your beliefs. Once adequately "substantiated", the opinion is then proffered as the "truth". So, your agreement on the subjective element of political matters actually refutes your research paradigm.

The GIN references, which you find obnoxious, merely demonstrates vividly the essence of your research and your conclusions. So, while obnoxious, those references are no less accurate. The most important facet being he inability to think critically. Thinking critically and substantiating a preconceived opinion are two different matters, a fact overlooked by you and yours. So, I stand by my post until such time as your erstwhile group discovers political issues are usually not one dimensional and begin to think rather than refute.


Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/22/2018 6:04 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    I see no value in refuting those bits of information you refer to as facts. Genuine and productive research analyses all aspects of the subject to be studied. Both you and your wife have research skills no better than those of BigBlock, and he couldn't find a bleeding elephant in a fresh snow. The point of research is to inform the researcher of all the facts and circumstances on a given subject in order to develop a reasonable, accurate opinion on the matter. You folks tend to formulate an opinion and then look for the facts which might substantiate your beliefs. Once adequately "substantiated", the opinion is then proffered as the "truth". So, your agreement on the subjective element of political matters actually refutes your research paradigm.

    The GIN references, which you find obnoxious, merely demonstrates vividly the essence of your research and your conclusions. So, while obnoxious, those references are no less accurate. The most important facet being he inability to think critically. Thinking critically and substantiating a preconceived opinion are two different matters, a fact overlooked by you and yours. So, I stand by my post until such time as your erstwhile group discovers political issues are usually not one dimensional and begin to think rather than refute.
I see you still have nothing. Nothing to refute the facts as mentioned, just more pomposity and insults. The usual insults, of course- Trump voters are stupid, deplorable perhaps as well, Oh wait , that one has already been used.
Nice try at writing a lot of words but saying nothing.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/22/2018 6:13 am

I see where your question has been answered today. Why should he trust them? Answer- he shouldn't.
Katherine Herridge reports today.
The Department of Justice has released documents relating to a FISA warrant against Carter Page, a former campaign adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump.
Though heavily redacted, the documents show that the infamous Steele Dossier was a major component of the 2016 surveillance warrant. The dossier was also a major component in subsequent renewals.
Based on what is visible, the dossier is not described as a political document, as the Democrats have asserted; rather the FBI speculates to the FISA court that it was commissioned to damage Candidate 1, who is Donald Trump.

On page 16, the full quote reads: “The FBI speculates to the FISA court that the U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit candidate 1’s campaign."

Well, well, well. The fake dossier, which FBI agents, not its anti-Trump leadership, said was unverified, was the source of the wire taps on the Trump campaign. You remember those wire taps, right? The ones that Trump said were being done, and the Democrats said weren't, and the lame media ridiculed Trump for saying so.

But it gets better- now that the Democrats have been caught with their pants down, they don't want you notice. " Schiff blamed Trump for making public House Republicans' initial memo ( last fall ) about the FISA applications, a move by Trump that the congressman called "nakedly political and self-interested, and designed to to (sic) interfere with the Special Counsel's investigation."

U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who is the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the documents underscore the "legitimate concern" the FBI had about Carter Page's activities. Yet Schiff said the materials shouldn't have been released during an ongoing investigation because of national security.

In other words, move along, nothing to see here.

This is HUGE news, but I bet it isn't even a blip on the lame stream media coverage.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 8:22 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    I see no value in refuting those bits of information you refer to as facts. Genuine and productive research analyses all aspects of the subject to be studied. Both you and your wife have research skills no better than those of BigBlock, and he couldn't find a bleeding elephant in a fresh snow. The point of research is to inform the researcher of all the facts and circumstances on a given subject in order to develop a reasonable, accurate opinion on the matter. You folks tend to formulate an opinion and then look for the facts which might substantiate your beliefs. Once adequately "substantiated", the opinion is then proffered as the "truth". So, your agreement on the subjective element of political matters actually refutes your research paradigm.

    The GIN references, which you find obnoxious, merely demonstrates vividly the essence of your research and your conclusions. So, while obnoxious, those references are no less accurate. The most important facet being he inability to think critically. Thinking critically and substantiating a preconceived opinion are two different matters, a fact overlooked by you and yours. So, I stand by my post until such time as your erstwhile group discovers political issues are usually not one dimensional and begin to think rather than refute.
The facts aren't on your side, the law isn't on your side, so you pound on the table. And when you're frustrated, your pomposity deepens (which in your case is hard to do.)

I didn't desribe my blog as a research work -- it's an opinion resting on some acknowledged facts. You are spinning your wheels because you have been unable to refute anything I wrote. Bluster won't do it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 8:31 am

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    as I said before. TRUMP WILL BE RELECTED . HIS PROGRAMS WILL AN ARE WORKING.

    THERE IS NOTHING THE HATERS CAN DO. WORKING YOUR SELVES INTO A FRENZY WILL NOT HELP.

    FIND A BETTER candidate. LOWER LETTERS CUZ LAST DEM CANDIDATE WAS SIMPLY BAD.

    THERE IS TIME.

    OR... JUST CHOOSE AMONGST , UNCLE JOE, AUNTIE MAXINE , SQUAW WARREN,

    BRO BOOKER, SISTA HARRIS, AND LAST . MAMMY PELOSI.

    THE PLAIN AZZ TRUFF IS, AINT NONE OF THEN GUNNA BEAT THE MAN.

    DONALD J TRUMP.

    I UNDERSTAND ITS ROUGH. BUT.... GET USE TO IT.

    PENCE/HALEY 2024.. THE FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHTER
I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper.


bigblock46 73M
9076 posts
7/22/2018 10:15 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    I see no value in refuting those bits of information you refer to as facts. Genuine and productive research analyses all aspects of the subject to be studied. Both you and your wife have research skills no better than those of BigBlock, and he couldn't find a bleeding elephant in a fresh snow. The point of research is to inform the researcher of all the facts and circumstances on a given subject in order to develop a reasonable, accurate opinion on the matter. You folks tend to formulate an opinion and then look for the facts which might substantiate your beliefs. Once adequately "substantiated", the opinion is then proffered as the "truth". So, your agreement on the subjective element of political matters actually refutes your research paradigm.

    The GIN references, which you find obnoxious, merely demonstrates vividly the essence of your research and your conclusions. So, while obnoxious, those references are no less accurate. The most important facet being he inability to think critically. Thinking critically and substantiating a preconceived opinion are two different matters, a fact overlooked by you and yours. So, I stand by my post until such time as your erstwhile group discovers political issues are usually not one dimensional and begin to think rather than refute.
Perhaps its because I am not looking for a "bleeding elephant". Perhaps you would like to enlighten us out here in the cheap seats to your own inability to locate your own butt with both hands.

You do the very same thing you are so quick to accuse us of. You give the impression of "I am smarter than all of you, you must listen to me".


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/22/2018 11:11 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper.
You and Hiram.....a couple of Racist, Misogynist Yokels..........talk about two old white folks trying to stay relevant.......


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/22/2018 11:23 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram.....a couple of Racist, Misogynist Yokels..........talk about two old white folks trying to stay relevant.......
Nothing to offer as argument and need to resort to your usual nasty talk!

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
7/22/2018 11:46 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram.....a couple of Racist, Misogynist Yokels..........talk about two old white folks trying to stay relevant.......
miss lulu,

please share wiff us all how calling any one names helps your happiness.

the yokel part I agree. iam a proud southern redneck that loves the south and its history . better called THE CONFEDERACY .

now.... please support your words, racist, and misogynist. be specific by posting examples of me being such.

one of our bloggers has labeled me as a racist an bigot.

they were not able to provide a reason fort hem thinking such.

both of u use labeling because I don't parrot the same opinions as you both.

blacks have beaten the phrase , the man kept me down or whitely prevented me form achieving ..

you as a white lady parrot the hatred of woman due to men not groveling to the hair on fire attitude of the bra burners.

one more thing. you seem quite content in or on your plot of land NORTH OF THE USA. I might add, you seem to have a talent nor only for picture taking, I said that cuz I cant speel photography , but some knowledge of nature. building water craft, living of the grid.

you are a , or could be an excellent example to young ladies that yes I can do any thing I want. no one can hold me back.

how ever you fail and miserably . due to your hatred of men, usa, republicans, trump. or maybe life in general.

you have GOD given talents. you them for some thing other than hateing any one oppose to your way of thinking.

I am not going to get in a name calling thing with you. you are so buried with hate I feel sorry for you

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
7/22/2018 11:56 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper.
lisz,

while I see positive things with the two choices.

there should be a more diverse ticket.

if you wll humor me for a moment.

lets consider, mammy waters and uncle joe. why you axe. well , lemme told you.

mammy pad is black, and female. she covers the gender and race categories

uncle joe is white and male, he too covers the race and gender.

one is far left. the other doesn't know right wing from their azz.

now notice I didn't say who was who there.

only being fair here.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 12:42 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram.....a couple of Racist, Misogynist Yokels..........talk about two old white folks trying to stay relevant.......
Another substance-free comment by Lulu the Hater. You define irrelevance.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 12:47 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    lisz,

    while I see positive things with the two choices.

    there should be a more diverse ticket.

    if you wll humor me for a moment.

    lets consider, mammy waters and uncle joe. why you axe. well , lemme told you.

    mammy pad is black, and female. she covers the gender and race categories

    uncle joe is white and male, he too covers the race and gender.

    one is far left. the other doesn't know right wing from their azz.

    now notice I didn't say who was who there.

    only being fair here.
Maxine is of course my dream demo prez candidate for 2020. She has it all, graft, extremist ideology, unfiltered public utterances, and a grotesque person. But even the dems aren't that dumb.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4108 posts
7/22/2018 1:20 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Maxine is of course my dream demo prez candidate for 2020. She has it all, graft, extremist ideology, unfiltered public utterances, and a grotesque person. But even the dems aren't that dumb.
lisz, one would think just as u stated, EVEN DEMS ARENT THAT DUMB.

dems seem blind regarding the s tupidity of their choices for office.
http://www.soalacustommeats.com/
examples are chuckie, Nancy still as minority lead, shelia Jackson/lee .hank, I AM AFRAID GUAM WILL TIP OVER,Johnson.

and the QUEEN KANKLE LEGS CLINTON.

yea they choose some doozies . doozie may not be known out side the souff.

hard to know how much of our wisdom has gotten north.

I hope mrs waters is the point person for the 2020 election.

I can see it now. 8 months of IMPEACH FOUGHTY 45.

yea that will create a massive turn out.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/22/2018 2:21 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper.
Since the guy you so fiercely defend is the groper/predator-in-chief, calling anyone else a groper shows how deep your denial runs.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/22/2018 2:25 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Hiram.....a couple of Racist, Misogynist Yokels..........talk about two old white folks trying to stay relevant.......
You called that one right. They should hang out and throw back a few.


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/22/2018 6:14 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I see you still have nothing. Nothing to refute the facts as mentioned, just more pomposity and insults. The usual insults, of course- Trump voters are stupid, deplorable perhaps as well, Oh wait , that one has already been used.
    Nice try at writing a lot of words but saying nothing.
They're not insults, they're demonstrations evidenced by your inability to think critically. Instead you insist on following a confirmed liar and narcissist, not because he's innovative and is blessed with strong leadership, but because he's not democrat. Moreover, he's not Hillary Clinton. Your research, as your husband generously calls it is not directed toward learning, but toward substantiating your flawed reasoning. Don't blame me for your faults. I have repeatedly denied my position as insulting or demeaning, those are terms you've attached to them. Take responsibility for your position or do proper research and discover alternative thoughts on the issues.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 6:49 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    You called that one right. They should hang out and throw back a few.
I would be raht [sic] proud to host Hank at my home. He might enjoy my engraving of Lee and Jackson's last meeting on my mantle, and perhaps my large collection of JF assassinology books.


Lisztomania replies on 7/23/2018 11:02 am:
JFK, not JF

Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 7:08 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    They're not insults, they're demonstrations evidenced by your inability to think critically. Instead you insist on following a confirmed liar and narcissist, not because he's innovative and is blessed with strong leadership, but because he's not democrat. Moreover, he's not Hillary Clinton. Your research, as your husband generously calls it is not directed toward learning, but toward substantiating your flawed reasoning. Don't blame me for your faults. I have repeatedly denied my position as insulting or demeaning, those are terms you've attached to them. Take responsibility for your position or do proper research and discover alternative thoughts on the issues.
Your argument is consistently ad hominem: Trump is deplorable, therefore you are too. Sorry, that's not enough. The research required for a blog is not the same as for a scholarly article, blowhard. At least Maisie is scrupulous enough to check her facts and quotations. May I take this one occasion to remind you that I have a PhD from a leading university, and it involved writing a dissertation. Please drop the condescension.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 7:13 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    You called that one right. They should hang out and throw back a few.
Are you in fact Southern? Was Fossil maybe right in guessing you are Unduplicated's daughter, who was a Floridian? Florida is largely deracinated, and is basically a bivouac for retirees.


boogie7102 74F
539 posts
7/22/2018 9:07 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Are you in fact Southern? Was Fossil maybe right in guessing you are Unduplicated's daughter, who was a Floridian? Florida is largely deracinated, and is basically a bivouac for retirees.
I don't know Liszt, but Sparkie answered a response to Mrs. Joe that was clearly addressed to CP. Makes one wonder ?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/22/2018 11:40 pm

    Quoting boogie7102:
    I don't know Liszt, but Sparkie answered a response to Mrs. Joe that was clearly addressed to CP. Makes one wonder ?
Yes, it does. People behave more responsibly when they are not anonymous, faceless beings. Leaf and CP are the 2 most anonymous bloggers. What do they fear?


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/23/2018 7:07 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    They're not insults, they're demonstrations evidenced by your inability to think critically. Instead you insist on following a confirmed liar and narcissist, not because he's innovative and is blessed with strong leadership, but because he's not democrat. Moreover, he's not Hillary Clinton. Your research, as your husband generously calls it is not directed toward learning, but toward substantiating your flawed reasoning. Don't blame me for your faults. I have repeatedly denied my position as insulting or demeaning, those are terms you've attached to them. Take responsibility for your position or do proper research and discover alternative thoughts on the issues.
" It's not an insult. So let me add a lot of words to the insult , because I think you are stupid enough to not see my insult ". Again, nice try. When the hole is deep enough,put down the shovel.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/23/2018 7:41 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    They're not insults, they're demonstrations evidenced by your inability to think critically. Instead you insist on following a confirmed liar and narcissist, not because he's innovative and is blessed with strong leadership, but because he's not democrat. Moreover, he's not Hillary Clinton. Your research, as your husband generously calls it is not directed toward learning, but toward substantiating your flawed reasoning. Don't blame me for your faults. I have repeatedly denied my position as insulting or demeaning, those are terms you've attached to them. Take responsibility for your position or do proper research and discover alternative thoughts on the issues.
Let me tell you what is so sad about the above. You operate on the assumption that all people who support this President's agenda, like his personal actions. I have never written anything that made excuses for his lack of social graces, shall we call it.

You and the rest of Democrats, including the media, are still in disbelief that Stumbles McMyTurn did not win , cannot accept a booming economy, the fact that unemployment is low, wages are up, bonuses are being given out , and those great unwashed deplorables are doing better . You hate it.

So instead of criticizing his policies, you cannot lob one single critique that does not include something personal.
You have never criticized his tax cuts, for example. Maybe you hate the fact he saved about 2 Billion on a new Air Force One this week. But maybe what you hate the most is he doing like every President of the US has done , until Obama , and that is put the US first. Perhaps if liberals weren't so self loathing they would see a strong US is good for the world, get off the personal attacks and actually look at polices. Then one can discuss facts, not bandy about nebulous speculation as to the character of the supporters of the President.


DanDee1952 67M
20261 posts
7/23/2018 8:37 am

for what it's worth I concur with every word and have been saying the same since the Helsinki Summit. Our Intel agencies have been a agency bereft of oversight, and patriotic leadership. I can think about CIA not having funding and importing poison/drugs to fuel their need for cash for black ops and more Crazy times

As I write this, I can not stop the the song "For what it's worth" by Buffalo Springfield from running through my head. The same turmoil of the late 60's is going on today, perhaps instigated by the same people who are now professors, and are in Congress??

There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking' their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/23/2018 9:21 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Your argument is consistently ad hominem: Trump is deplorable, therefore you are too. Sorry, that's not enough. The research required for a blog is not the same as for a scholarly article, blowhard. At least Maisie is scrupulous enough to check her facts and quotations. May I take this one occasion to remind you that I have a PhD from a leading university, and it involved writing a dissertation. Please drop the condescension.
None of the facets of membership in the GIN world have to do with intelligence, if it was it would be so stated. Some very intelligent people are quite gullible, some are ignorant on some subjects, and not all intelligent people are critical thinkers. Therefore your assessment of my position is more paranoia than fact. I hasten to point out, however, calling me a "blowhard" is ad hominem and fits nicely into the GIN mindset.

Checking facts and quotations is not research, it's the verification of one's own belief using what is believed to be legitimate research. It's not.

I am aware of your education and I applaud the diligence it took to obtain it. However, your degree does not guarantee immunity from gullibility, ignorance or lack of critical thinking. To believe differently is, in and of itself, membership credentials as a GIN.

The condescension to which you refer exists in your own mind. I can make no assessment of either you or your intelligence since I've never even been in the same room as you. I don't know you, i only know what I see written. I disagree with most of it. Taking that personally is yours and yours alone so please refrain from blaming me for your thought processes.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 9:30 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    None of the facets of membership in the GIN world have to do with intelligence, if it was it would be so stated. Some very intelligent people are quite gullible, some are ignorant on some subjects, and not all intelligent people are critical thinkers. Therefore your assessment of my position is more paranoia than fact. I hasten to point out, however, calling me a "blowhard" is ad hominem and fits nicely into the GIN mindset.

    Checking facts and quotations is not research, it's the verification of one's own belief using what is believed to be legitimate research. It's not.

    I am aware of your education and I applaud the diligence it took to obtain it. However, your degree does not guarantee immunity from gullibility, ignorance or lack of critical thinking. To believe differently is, in and of itself, membership credentials as a GIN.

    The condescension to which you refer exists in your own mind. I can make no assessment of either you or your intelligence since I've never even been in the same room as you. I don't know you, i only know what I see written. I disagree with most of it. Taking that personally is yours and yours alone so please refrain from blaming me for your thought processes.
Bite me.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 9:38 am

    Quoting DanDee1952:
    for what it's worth I concur with every word and have been saying the same since the Helsinki Summit. Our Intel agencies have been a agency bereft of oversight, and patriotic leadership. I can think about CIA not having funding and importing poison/drugs to fuel their need for cash for black ops and more Crazy times

    As I write this, I can not stop the the song "For what it's worth" by Buffalo Springfield from running through my head. The same turmoil of the late 60's is going on today, perhaps instigated by the same people who are now professors, and are in Congress??

    There's something happening here
    But what it is ain't exactly clear
    There's a man with a gun over there
    Telling me I got to beware

    I think it's time we stop
    Children, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    There's battle lines being drawn
    Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
    Young people speaking' their minds
    Getting so much resistance from behind

    It's time we stop
    Hey, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    What a field day for the heat
    A thousand people in the street
    Singing songs and carrying signs
    Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"

    It's time we stop
    Hey, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep
    It starts when you're always afraid
    Step out of line, the men come and take you away

    We better stop
    Hey, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    We better stop
    Hey, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    We better stop
    Now, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    We better stop
    Children, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?
Aptly quoted, Dan. I have been having a running disagreement with Rentier about comparisons of the present to the late 60's. He believes the late 60's were far more fractious and dangerous, citing assassinations, violent protests, clashes between protestors and cops, etc. I see the present day as more dangerous because we see an attempted regime change, i.e., a coup, from elements in the government itself.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 10:47 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    None of the facets of membership in the GIN world have to do with intelligence, if it was it would be so stated. Some very intelligent people are quite gullible, some are ignorant on some subjects, and not all intelligent people are critical thinkers. Therefore your assessment of my position is more paranoia than fact. I hasten to point out, however, calling me a "blowhard" is ad hominem and fits nicely into the GIN mindset.

    Checking facts and quotations is not research, it's the verification of one's own belief using what is believed to be legitimate research. It's not.

    I am aware of your education and I applaud the diligence it took to obtain it. However, your degree does not guarantee immunity from gullibility, ignorance or lack of critical thinking. To believe differently is, in and of itself, membership credentials as a GIN.

    The condescension to which you refer exists in your own mind. I can make no assessment of either you or your intelligence since I've never even been in the same room as you. I don't know you, i only know what I see written. I disagree with most of it. Taking that personally is yours and yours alone so please refrain from blaming me for your thought processes.
You posit that you are the all-knowing judge of the intellects and knowledge of everyone on the site. Have you stopped to consider that maybe you have limitations? Do you not understand that you are a party to the dispute? You cannot think critically because of your stubborn biases. Drop the ad hominems and address the issues.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/23/2018 11:04 am

    Quoting Skariff2:
    None of the facets of membership in the GIN world have to do with intelligence, if it was it would be so stated. Some very intelligent people are quite gullible, some are ignorant on some subjects, and not all intelligent people are critical thinkers. Therefore your assessment of my position is more paranoia than fact. I hasten to point out, however, calling me a "blowhard" is ad hominem and fits nicely into the GIN mindset.

    Checking facts and quotations is not research, it's the verification of one's own belief using what is believed to be legitimate research. It's not.

    I am aware of your education and I applaud the diligence it took to obtain it. However, your degree does not guarantee immunity from gullibility, ignorance or lack of critical thinking. To believe differently is, in and of itself, membership credentials as a GIN.

    The condescension to which you refer exists in your own mind. I can make no assessment of either you or your intelligence since I've never even been in the same room as you. I don't know you, i only know what I see written. I disagree with most of it. Taking that personally is yours and yours alone so please refrain from blaming me for your thought processes.
At one point, I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't know you are a pompous blowhard, who admonishes others for things they do themselves. But then you keep doubling down.
You have never raised a substantive point. All of your attempts at sounding esoteric make no other point than you telling everyone how superior you are. It's really lame, and very transparent.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/23/2018 1:09 pm

Lisztomania, you're a PhD from a leading university, and it involved writing a dissertation.

So regarding Trumps "double negative dissertation" … it is his legacy, and could be reason (among other things) to invoke the 25th Amendment. I'm just curious, do you buy the story or not?

Did he look authentic reading it? Is it believable considering Trump's never ending witch-hunt rhetoric, the fact that Trump loves disrespecting world leaders with the exception of Vladimir Putin, the fact that there was absolutely nothing ACCUSARORY at all about Trump's trip to Helsinki, his voice inflection or body language on stage … nothing.


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/23/2018 1:24 pm

I have not called you any names. You and your wife, on the other hand, have employed the Trump reaction to any and all criticism, name calling. I have never said or even indicated I am any smarter than anyone else here, but your inability to cogently answer legitimate criticism usually results in name calling and personal attacks. A prime example is a quote from Maisie, "It's not an insult. So let me add a lot of words to the insult , because I think you are stupid enough to not see my insult ". Again, nice try. When the hole is deep enough,put down the shovel." I didn't say any of those things but she quoted me as having done so. Trumpism at its best.

I have never indicated in any way I am as knowledgeable as you purport. I do take umbrage, however, when I spent three years studying the Constitution and am told I have it all wrong from a person who, most likely, hasn't even read the entire document. If you ask me a question about music I will claim ignorance without hesitation and music is but one of a list of things I am ignorant about. So, if you want to discuss music I will make my opinion known in full realization I don't know a rest from a quarter note. On the other hand, even after I pointed out your addiction to Trumpism you continue to employ the President's only real response to any criticism, anger, hatred and name calling.

So, you'll forgive me, I'm sure, when you respond like GIN instead of beginning a productive dialogue.


Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 2:28 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    I have not called you any names. You and your wife, on the other hand, have employed the Trump reaction to any and all criticism, name calling. I have never said or even indicated I am any smarter than anyone else here, but your inability to cogently answer legitimate criticism usually results in name calling and personal attacks. A prime example is a quote from Maisie, "It's not an insult. So let me add a lot of words to the insult , because I think you are stupid enough to not see my insult ". Again, nice try. When the hole is deep enough,put down the shovel." I didn't say any of those things but she quoted me as having done so. Trumpism at its best.

    I have never indicated in any way I am as knowledgeable as you purport. I do take umbrage, however, when I spent three years studying the Constitution and am told I have it all wrong from a person who, most likely, hasn't even read the entire document. If you ask me a question about music I will claim ignorance without hesitation and music is but one of a list of things I am ignorant about. So, if you want to discuss music I will make my opinion known in full realization I don't know a rest from a quarter note. On the other hand, even after I pointed out your addiction to Trumpism you continue to employ the President's only real response to any criticism, anger, hatred and name calling.

    So, you'll forgive me, I'm sure, when you respond like GIN instead of beginning a productive dialogue.
I stand behind all of my statements. If you wish to criticize anything I have said about the Constitution, then do so. State specifically why I am wrong and cite chapter and verse. But that's not the way you operate. You give a condescending lecture and imply that your adversaries are ignoramuses.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 2:32 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Lisztomania, you're a PhD from a leading university, and it involved writing a dissertation.

    So regarding Trumps "double negative dissertation" … it is his legacy, and could be reason (among other things) to invoke the 25th Amendment. I'm just curious, do you buy the story or not?

    Did he look authentic reading it? Is it believable considering Trump's never ending witch-hunt rhetoric, the fact that Trump loves disrespecting world leaders with the exception of Vladimir Putin, the fact that there was absolutely nothing ACCUSARORY at all about Trump's trip to Helsinki, his voice inflection or body language on stage … nothing.
No, I don't buy the statement, but he was walking back his statement as politicians do. To say that this should invoke the 25th amendment is preposterous.

If you notice, I criticized Trump's press conference in the blog itself.


DanDee1952 67M
20261 posts
7/23/2018 3:37 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Aptly quoted, Dan. I have been having a running disagreement with Rentier about comparisons of the present to the late 60's. He believes the late 60's were far more fractious and dangerous, citing assassinations, violent protests, clashes between protestors and cops, etc. I see the present day as more dangerous because we see an attempted regime change, i.e., a coup, from elements in the government itself.
in my mind, in the 60's there were pockets of anger that equalled today Black Panthers/ Black Lives Matter, Antifa/Weather Underground, but many on the Left back then were so busy getting high, they posed little threat. @ days ago a guy assaulted a kid in Seattle wearing a MAGA hat with his family. A couple of weeks ago a man took a MAGA hat from a guy and tossed a drink in his face.

The 60's did not come close to the absolute insanity of those on the Left who hate Trump. Even those who once admired Trump and all his faults, but the angst of having the rigged election lost to Trump, a man no one owns, makes their blood boil


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/23/2018 7:44 pm

    Quoting DanDee1952:
    in my mind, in the 60's there were pockets of anger that equalled today Black Panthers/ Black Lives Matter, Antifa/Weather Underground, but many on the Left back then were so busy getting high, they posed little threat. @ days ago a guy assaulted a kid in Seattle wearing a MAGA hat with his family. A couple of weeks ago a man took a MAGA hat from a guy and tossed a drink in his face.

    The 60's did not come close to the absolute insanity of those on the Left who hate Trump. Even those who once admired Trump and all his faults, but the angst of having the rigged election lost to Trump, a man no one owns, makes their blood boil
I agree, Dan, it was a different climate in the late 60's and not nearly as poisonous as the present day. Most people who passed through a hippy phase just wanted to make love, not war, get high, and listen to rock'n'roll. The hippies were not funded by a sinister billionaire like George Soros and did not form a fifth column opposed to our regime begun in 1789.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/23/2018 9:28 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I would be raht [sic] proud to host Hank at my home. He might enjoy my engraving of Lee and Jackson's last meeting on my mantle, and perhaps my large collection of JF assassinology books.
I have no doubt you two old alkies have lots in common.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 8:59 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I have no doubt you two old alkies have lots in common.
I'm going to leave this nasty comment up to remind anyone who is still reading just what a malignant shrew you are. Are you trying to outdo CP?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 9:06 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I have no doubt you two old alkies have lots in common.
Perhaps you know this humorous Lincoln anecdote:

After the failure of his first experimental explorations around Vicksburg, a committee of abolition war managers waited upon the President and demanded the General’s removal, on the false charge that he was a whiskey drinker, and little better than a common drunkard. “Ah!” exclaimed Honest Old Abe, “you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?” “We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?” “Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.”

I think I will ask Hank what he drinks and send you a hogshead of it.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/24/2018 10:19 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I'm going to leave this nasty comment up to remind anyone who is still reading just what a malignant shrew you are. Are you trying to outdo CP?
Both of you living in the South, perhaps have never encountered people responding with disgusted anger at Racism, so big surprise for you huh?......I have been called nasty several times lately on this site for calling out blatant Misogynist and racist remarks......funny how that works with you MAGATS.......Racism and Misogyny aren't nasty, but calling it out is.........


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 10:47 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Both of you living in the South, perhaps have never encountered people responding with disgusted anger at Racism, so big surprise for you huh?......I have been called nasty several times lately on this site for calling out blatant Misogynist and racist remarks......funny how that works with you MAGATS.......Racism and Misogyny aren't nasty, but calling it out is.........
I have also lived in the north and in Europe, and I see no difference in the racism and misogyny levels there. The city of Chicago is far more segregated than any southern city I have been in. Why do you try to paint me as an ignorant hillbilly? Does it make you feel better?

Your anti-South bigotry is exactly the same morally as racism. You're a mess.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/24/2018 12:11 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Both of you living in the South, perhaps have never encountered people responding with disgusted anger at Racism, so big surprise for you huh?......I have been called nasty several times lately on this site for calling out blatant Misogynist and racist remarks......funny how that works with you MAGATS.......Racism and Misogyny aren't nasty, but calling it out is.........
The most deadly race riots in this country were not in Southern Cities but northern ones and California- most notably Boston, Chicago, Watts, Baltimore, Ferguson MO and DC.

After the Civil War, as all the Northern citizens confronted the Blacks who left the South for the economic opportunities of Northern industrial cities ( since the North had seen to it that the South was economically devastated ) those same good abolitionist citizens , still did not think Blacks their equal. Unions barred them from membership ensuring they would not secure a job in the heavily unionized auto factories.
This was not something that stopped in the 19th century. In the late 70's , I lived in Boston. It was far more segregated than what I was used to even in Baltimore and Washington.

Now, it isnt overt segregation so much, so much as economic. The South's cities and new urban renewal areas are far more diverse than the Northern gentrified areas, partly because the good city leaders of cities like New York, Boston and Chicago and especially San Francisco go out of their way to price middle and lower income Blacks out of the areas. You dont look in the pricey zip codes to see diversity, you look at the middle income ones.

So you can stop your stereotypes about the American South. Maybe I should just stereotype Canada as a big empty, mostly white country, who enjoys their diversity, but at arm's length, and equally enjoys telling the rest of the world how tolerant they are, while never having any Watts, Harlems, South Centrals, or SE DC's. to deal with.

Oh- and the worst race riot ever in the US, was Chicago 1919.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 12:22 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    The most deadly race riots in this country were not in Southern Cities but northern ones and California- most notably Boston, Chicago, Watts, Baltimore, Ferguson MO and DC.

    After the Civil War, as all the Northern citizens confronted the Blacks who left the South for the economic opportunities of Northern industrial cities ( since the North had seen to it that the South was economically devastated ) those same good abolitionist citizens , still did not think Blacks their equal. Unions barred them from membership ensuring they would not secure a job in the heavily unionized auto factories.
    This was not something that stopped in the 19th century. In the late 70's , I lived in Boston. It was far more segregated than what I was used to even in Baltimore and Washington.

    Now, it isnt overt segregation so much, so much as economic. The South's cities and new urban renewal areas are far more diverse than the Northern gentrified areas, partly because the good city leaders of cities like New York, Boston and Chicago and especially San Francisco go out of their way to price middle and lower income Blacks out of the areas. You dont look in the pricey zip codes to see diversity, you look at the middle income ones.

    So you can stop your stereotypes about the American South. Maybe I should just stereotype Canada as a big empty, mostly white country, who enjoys their diversity, but at arm's length, and equally enjoys telling the rest of the world how tolerant they are, while never having any Watts, Harlems, South Centrals, or SE DC's. to deal with.

    Oh- and the worst race riot ever in the US, was Chicago 1919.
Don't confuse Lulu with the facts. She just wants to hate.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 12:24 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I'm going to leave this nasty comment up to remind anyone who is still reading just what a malignant shrew you are. Are you trying to outdo CP?
Yes, I deleted your comment, CP, you revolting sow.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/24/2018 1:21 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I have also lived in the north and in Europe, and I see no difference in the racism and misogyny levels there. The city of Chicago is far more segregated than any southern city I have been in. Why do you try to paint me as an ignorant hillbilly? Does it make you feel better?

    Your anti-South bigotry is exactly the same morally as racism. You're a mess.
I was calling out the racism and misogyny that you and Hiram displayed on this site and on this blog....You call me nasty and hateful for calling you out on it ..I'm not surprised at your cowardly denials.....par for the course for people like you......


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/24/2018 1:29 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    The most deadly race riots in this country were not in Southern Cities but northern ones and California- most notably Boston, Chicago, Watts, Baltimore, Ferguson MO and DC.

    After the Civil War, as all the Northern citizens confronted the Blacks who left the South for the economic opportunities of Northern industrial cities ( since the North had seen to it that the South was economically devastated ) those same good abolitionist citizens , still did not think Blacks their equal. Unions barred them from membership ensuring they would not secure a job in the heavily unionized auto factories.
    This was not something that stopped in the 19th century. In the late 70's , I lived in Boston. It was far more segregated than what I was used to even in Baltimore and Washington.

    Now, it isnt overt segregation so much, so much as economic. The South's cities and new urban renewal areas are far more diverse than the Northern gentrified areas, partly because the good city leaders of cities like New York, Boston and Chicago and especially San Francisco go out of their way to price middle and lower income Blacks out of the areas. You dont look in the pricey zip codes to see diversity, you look at the middle income ones.

    So you can stop your stereotypes about the American South. Maybe I should just stereotype Canada as a big empty, mostly white country, who enjoys their diversity, but at arm's length, and equally enjoys telling the rest of the world how tolerant they are, while never having any Watts, Harlems, South Centrals, or SE DC's. to deal with.

    Oh- and the worst race riot ever in the US, was Chicago 1919.
Really? Your old man uses racist language and when I call him out on it, your response is a wiki blurb? Not surprising from someone who equates kids who survived a school massacre that want to prevent more massacres who equates those kids with Nazi Brown Shirts.....That opinion lost you all credibility...


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/24/2018 1:33 pm

Do you suppose deleting some of these people despicable comments might tire them out? No need to leave them up since we are all aware of the venom they constantly spew forth; It would also take much less space. Plus it would annoy these peons no end. Just some things to consider.

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/24/2018 1:36 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Don't confuse Lulu with the facts. She just wants to hate.
The fact is that you and Hiram both use racist and misogynist slurs and those who point that out are haters......


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/24/2018 1:41 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    The fact is that you and Hiram both use racist and misogynist slurs and those who point that out are haters......
They think they're badasses calling women horrible names, but let a woman dish it back and suddenly they're these delicate little flowers who are the victims. Pathetic excuses for "men." No wonder they vote Trump. Same behavior.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/24/2018 1:50 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    Do you suppose deleting some of these people despicable comments might tire them out? No need to leave them up since we are all aware of the venom they constantly spew forth; It would also take much less space. Plus it would annoy these peons no end. Just some things to consider.
Aren't you a little, or a lot too old to be a dick? I guess you take it to the grave.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/24/2018 2:11 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    No, I don't buy the statement, but he was walking back his statement as politicians do. To say that this should invoke the 25th amendment is preposterous.

    If you notice, I criticized Trump's press conference in the blog itself.
Preposterous?

Donald Trump not having the courage to confront Vladimir Putin should bring in the question .. is Trump competent?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 5:18 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Awwww, so delicate. You sit there behind your keyboard calling women horrible names, but let a woman get you back, and you start crying like a big baby, and play the victim. I'll say it again, you're nothing but a diseased sot.

    Delete away sweetheart. I've got a copy.

I am not calling women horrible names, I am calling you, only you, a horrible name because you have earned it. Don't hide behind your uterus. Snowflakette.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 5:25 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I was calling out the racism and misogyny that you and Hiram displayed on this site and on this blog....You call me nasty and hateful for calling you out on it ..I'm not surprised at your cowardly denials.....par for the course for people like you......
Let me straighten you out, kiddo. I have not used any racist language on this blog whatsoever, and you are simply lying. The blog has nothing to do with race. You are just using the standard canard of the Left because you have no actual argument to make.

Similarly, I have not used misogynist language. If I call you a shrew, it is aimed at you, not your sex.

If you have an argument with hank's language, direct it to him.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/24/2018 7:20 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Let me straighten you out, kiddo. I have not used any racist language on this blog whatsoever, and you are simply lying. The blog has nothing to do with race. You are just using the standard canard of the Left because you have no actual argument to make.

    Similarly, I have not used misogynist language. If I call you a shrew, it is aimed at you, not your sex.

    If you have an argument with hank's language, direct it to him.
When you answer Hiram in kind without calling him out on his racist?misogynist language and then repeat some of it yourself, you are using the language. You have never called out Hiram's racism or his Misogyny, though you comment on his blogs........Here is what Hiram said..."OR... JUST CHOOSE AMONGST , UNCLE JOE, AUNTIE MAXINE , SQUAW WARREN,
BRO BOOKER, SISTA HARRIS, AND LAST . MAMMY PELOSI."
And here is what you said..." I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper."......


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 7:23 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Preposterous?

    Donald Trump not having the courage to confront Vladimir Putin should bring in the question .. is Trump competent?
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton certainly never did. Were they competent?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/24/2018 7:29 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    When you answer Hiram in kind without calling him out on his racist?misogynist language and then repeat some of it yourself, you are using the language. You have never called out Hiram's racism or his Misogyny, though you comment on his blogs........Here is what Hiram said..."OR... JUST CHOOSE AMONGST , UNCLE JOE, AUNTIE MAXINE , SQUAW WARREN,
    BRO BOOKER, SISTA HARRIS, AND LAST . MAMMY PELOSI."
    And here is what you said..." I think Warren-Biden would be a good ticket for the Democrats. Two septuagenarian white folks trying to stay relevant. The Squaw and the Groper."......

Where's the racism in what I said? Warren deserves the derision because of her faux Indian claim long ago. Frankly, she committed academic fraud to advance her career. This has utterly nothing to do with racism. You'd better look again.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/24/2018 7:54 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I am not calling women horrible names, I am calling you, only you, a horrible name because you have earned it. Don't hide behind your uterus. Snowflakette.
Yes you do call women horrible names. I can only imagine what you call Maaiisee when she makes you mad. And we've all seen that you've got a very violent temper. I've GOT a uterus, but you're just a delicate little pus*y.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/24/2018 7:59 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Really? Your old man uses racist language and when I call him out on it, your response is a wiki blurb? Not surprising from someone who equates kids who survived a school massacre that want to prevent more massacres who equates those kids with Nazi Brown Shirts.....That opinion lost you all credibility...
Maiisee is a bot. She doesn't know how to communicate with people, so all she posts are paragraphs from google. Sad.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/25/2018 6:28 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Maiisee is a bot. She doesn't know how to communicate with people, so all she posts are paragraphs from google. Sad.
Doesn't know how to communicate? Why is she always number 1 or 2 in the most widely read blogs list? Your blogs, which are usually memes or c & p's don't seem to attract a wide following. Very sad.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/25/2018 6:39 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Yes you do call women horrible names. I can only imagine what you call Maaiisee when she makes you mad. And we've all seen that you've got a very violent temper. I've GOT a uterus, but you're just a delicate little pus*y.
There you go again calling men terrible names.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/25/2018 12:30 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Where's the racism in what I said? Warren deserves the derision because of her faux Indian claim long ago. Frankly, she committed academic fraud to advance her career. This has utterly nothing to do with racism. You'd better look again.
You better look again.....the word "squaw" is reeking with racism......it's as bad as the N-word.....It's a racist and sexist slur.....ask Maisie to google it for you.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/25/2018 2:16 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Doesn't know how to communicate? Why is she always number 1 or 2 in the most widely read blogs list? Your blogs, which are usually memes or c & p's don't seem to attract a wide following. Very sad.
So, your version of communication is her answering everyone's questions, and comments to her with a history lesson from google?


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/25/2018 2:25 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Doesn't know how to communicate? Why is she always number 1 or 2 in the most widely read blogs list? Your blogs, which are usually memes or c & p's don't seem to attract a wide following. Very sad.
Your comment is so predictable. As much as you love to brag about blog views, and how important Maaiisee's level of popularity is to you, it's a shame that you choose to be in denial about the real reason she stays at the top of the list. Believe me sweetheart...it's not from discussion of the subject of her blogs. It's more than obvious that the blogs that get the most views, and comments here are those where all the arguing, and fighting goes on. As intelligent as you claim to be, one would think you would already know that. I get it though. You would rather claim bragging rights than accept the real reason her name is always at the top of the list. You keep on bragging though. I hear if you repeat things enough times, people will start to believe it.

I know you're going to disagree with what I just said, and will delete this comment, so delete away. Anything that that shows you, or wifey in a negative light hurts your delicate little feelings, and you both delete the comments.

Enter name calling here.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/25/2018 2:28 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    There you go again calling men terrible names.
That's just horrible isn't it?


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/25/2018 6:51 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You better look again.....the word "squaw" is reeking with racism......it's as bad as the N-word.....It's a racist and sexist slur.....ask Maisie to google it for you.
But she is NOT a squaw. How can you not understand that? She is not mocked for being a native American woman. She is being mocked because she is a fraud.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/25/2018 6:58 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Your comment is so predictable. As much as you love to brag about blog views, and how important Maaiisee's level of popularity is to you, it's a shame that you choose to be in denial about the real reason she stays at the top of the list. Believe me sweetheart...it's not from discussion of the subject of her blogs. It's more than obvious that the blogs that get the most views, and comments here are those where all the arguing, and fighting goes on. As intelligent as you claim to be, one would think you would already know that. I get it though. You would rather claim bragging rights than accept the real reason her name is always at the top of the list. You keep on bragging though. I hear if you repeat things enough times, people will start to believe it.

    I know you're going to disagree with what I just said, and will delete this comment, so delete away. Anything that that shows you, or wifey in a negative light hurts your delicate little feelings, and you both delete the comments.

    Enter name calling here.

You really are quite blind. I have no reason to delete this comment, though I disagree with it. I delete only when you libel me with hateful gossip about things you cannot know. For example, when you called me a diseased sot. It is absolutely despicable, and it's why I despise you.


dusty117 69M
917 posts
7/25/2018 7:24 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    No, I don't buy the statement, but he was walking back his statement as politicians do. To say that this should invoke the 25th amendment is preposterous.

    If you notice, I criticized Trump's press conference in the blog itself.
"he was walking back his statement as politicians do"

Lisz, here's what happened …

Like little boys do, Donald Trump thought he was going to get into some trouble so he came back from Helsinki and lied about what happened.

Can you say Trump lied? Why not?

Experts say Trump lied 3,200 times since his inauguration. Trump's not a liar he's a pathological liar ..


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/25/2018 9:15 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    But she is NOT a squaw. How can you not understand that? She is not mocked for being a native American woman. She is being mocked because she is a fraud.
For starters, You don't know that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have Native American ancestry...... The problem is that no one is a Squaw........The term is a racist,sexist slur......how can you not understand that?.......The term is demeaning to Native American women and Native Americans in general......And, I might add, the slur was used by Hiram in conjunction with other racist slurs.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/25/2018 9:49 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    For starters, You don't know that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have Native American ancestry...... The problem is that no one is a Squaw........The term is a racist,sexist slur......how can you not understand that?.......The term is demeaning to Native American women and Native Americans in general......And, I might add, the slur was used by Hiram in conjunction with other racist slurs.
Warren could easily prove it, but she knows it's a crock, and everyone does too, except Canadians. I looked it up -- squaw and also papoose both come from the Narragansett language, with analogues in other Algonquin languages. There is no intrinsic offensiveness.

The Left sets the rules on PC language. You worry about it.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 6:33 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Warren could easily prove it, but she knows it's a crock, and everyone does too, except Canadians. I looked it up -- squaw and also papoose both come from the Narragansett language, with analogues in other Algonquin languages. There is no intrinsic offensiveness.

    The Left sets the rules on PC language. You worry about it.
A local high school here had to change the name of their girl's basketball team because they were called the "squaws."


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 6:51 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Warren could easily prove it, but she knows it's a crock, and everyone does too, except Canadians. I looked it up -- squaw and also papoose both come from the Narragansett language, with analogues in other Algonquin languages. There is no intrinsic offensiveness.

    The Left sets the rules on PC language. You worry about it.
I don't know where you "looked it up," but this is what Wikipedia says...

Squaw

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The English word Squaw is an ethnic and sexual slur, historically used for Indigenous North American women. Contemporary use of the term, especially by non-Natives, is considered offensive, derogatory, misogynist and racist.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/26/2018 9:17 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    I don't know where you "looked it up," but this is what Wikipedia says...

    Squaw

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The English word Squaw is an ethnic and sexual slur, historically used for Indigenous North American women. Contemporary use of the term, especially by non-Natives, is considered offensive, derogatory, misogynist and racist.
I never have occasion to use the word. And I wouldn't use it if I did. The purpose for using it as a nickname for Eliz Warren is to mock her. You and Lulu are just using this non-issue to play a slightly different race card.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/26/2018 9:38 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    I don't know where you "looked it up," but this is what Wikipedia says...

    Squaw

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The English word Squaw is an ethnic and sexual slur, historically used for Indigenous North American women. Contemporary use of the term, especially by non-Natives, is considered offensive, derogatory, misogynist and racist.
If you did further research, you would learn the word has phonetic connections to the word for woman in the Massachusett ( not with an s ) language. " Massachusett squa was an ancient and thoroughly decent word. It is as certain as any historical fact can be that the word squaw that the English settlers in Massachusetts used for "Indian woman'' in the early 1600s was adopted by them from the word squa that their Massachusett-speaking neighbors used in their own language to mean "female, younger woman.
The expression squa-sachim, literally "woman chief,'' is actually in Pidgin Massachusett (the correct Massachusett for "chiefly woman'' being sonkusq) " linguist Ives Goddard, April 1997 issue of News from Indian Country

Robert Hale Ives Goddard III (1941–) is curator emeritus in the Department of Anthropology of the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution. He is widely considered the leading expert on the Algonquian languages and the larger Algic language family

It was used for centuries until recent interpretations decided to paint it with a racist brush,
We have Squaw Valley, river, township, and also some locations in Canada with the word in them.
The Merriam English dictionary does not call it a racist word.

The misunderstanding of the origin of the word came from a guest on the Oprah Show in 1992 , who claimed it was a Mohawk word meaning female body parts. From the program "Racism in 1992: Native Americans,'' as transcribed from a videotape by Jim Rementer at the request of a Delaware tribal member who knew from his knowledge of his own language that it was incorrect. But, hey why bother to check scholarly records when Oprah is available?


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/26/2018 9:45 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Really? Your old man uses racist language and when I call him out on it, your response is a wiki blurb? Not surprising from someone who equates kids who survived a school massacre that want to prevent more massacres who equates those kids with Nazi Brown Shirts.....That opinion lost you all credibility...
None of this is a " wiki blurb ". And your comment was not in response of any racist words anywhere said by Liszt. My comment was in response to your constant stereotyping of the American South. Please try to follow along. You can go back and reread should you need some memory aids.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/26/2018 9:48 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    So, your version of communication is her answering everyone's questions, and comments to her with a history lesson from google?
Google is a search engine. Would you prefer I drove to the library?


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
7/26/2018 9:54 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    For starters, You don't know that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have Native American ancestry...... The problem is that no one is a Squaw........The term is a racist,sexist slur......how can you not understand that?.......The term is demeaning to Native American women and Native Americans in general......And, I might add, the slur was used by Hiram in conjunction with other racist slurs.
Warren claimed she had Native American ancestry because her grandmother told her she had " high cheekbones ". She then parlayed her family lore claim into a position at Harvard, by putting down Native American as her ethnicity. Harvard then bragged they had a Native American on staff. She refused to put her money where her big mouth is by a DNA test, because she then could be sued for fraud, since she monetized her claims.

And if you have a problem with Hiram, take it up with him. If you want to call him out for his words, then do it yourself, and dont expect others to do your work for you.


sparkleflit 71F
4727 posts
7/26/2018 10:32 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Warren claimed she had Native American ancestry because her grandmother told her she had " high cheekbones ". She then parlayed her family lore claim into a position at Harvard, by putting down Native American as her ethnicity. Harvard then bragged they had a Native American on staff. She refused to put her money where her big mouth is by a DNA test, because she then could be sued for fraud, since she monetized her claims.

    And if you have a problem with Hiram, take it up with him. If you want to call him out for his words, then do it yourself, and dont expect others to do your work for you.
You and Liszt still taking turns acting as each other's tail-gunner I see........Your old man participates in racism and sexism and none of your history lessons will erase that......the self degradation you both inhabit in order to stay loyal to your team is duly noted.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/26/2018 12:43 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You and Liszt still taking turns acting as each other's tail-gunner I see........Your old man participates in racism and sexism and none of your history lessons will erase that......the self degradation you both inhabit in order to stay loyal to your team is duly noted.
A thoroughly offensive comment. Why can't you grasp that we often see things the same way? Calling someone's husband "your old man" is obnoxious too, and doesn't show the sensitivity to the feelings of others which you require of us. You are a nasty, mean-spirited hypocrite and you can quote me.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 1:30 pm

Right on cue...there goes GOOGLE BOT the great communicator with her googled history lesson. Thanks for proving my point.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 1:32 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I never have occasion to use the word. And I wouldn't use it if I did. The purpose for using it as a nickname for Eliz Warren is to mock her. You and Lulu are just using this non-issue to play a slightly different race card.
You do realize you just proved me right don't you? How disappointing. You've bragged so much about how intelligent you are.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 1:37 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    A thoroughly offensive comment. Why can't you grasp that we often see things the same way? Calling someone's husband "your old man" is obnoxious too, and doesn't show the sensitivity to the feelings of others which you require of us. You are a nasty, mean-spirited hypocrite and you can quote me.
Now it comes out. I knew you and Maiisee were sensitive, I just didn't know to what extent. And it's worse than I thought.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/26/2018 1:40 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Warren claimed she had Native American ancestry because her grandmother told her she had " high cheekbones ". She then parlayed her family lore claim into a position at Harvard, by putting down Native American as her ethnicity. Harvard then bragged they had a Native American on staff. She refused to put her money where her big mouth is by a DNA test, because she then could be sued for fraud, since she monetized her claims.

    And if you have a problem with Hiram, take it up with him. If you want to call him out for his words, then do it yourself, and dont expect others to do your work for you.
Fact Check dot org...

FULL QUESTION
What are the facts regarding Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage and did she use it to further her career?

FULL ANSWER
No proof has emerged that confirms that Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is, as she has claimed, part Native American. Likewise, no proof has surfaced that Warren was previously hired as a professor by any university based on her alleged heritage.


Lisztomania 69M
10437 posts
7/26/2018 4:41 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    You do realize you just proved me right don't you? How disappointing. You've bragged so much about how intelligent you are.
A double lie.


Rich1937 82M
6413 posts
7/26/2018 9:57 pm

One tires of reading the uncontrollable posts as they carry no worthwhile information. Like one guy used to say "go piss up a rope".

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
7/27/2018 1:43 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    One tires of reading the uncontrollable posts as they carry no worthwhile information. Like one guy used to say "go piss up a rope".
You must not be too tired of reading it. You keep commenting on it. I would tell you to go piss up a rope, but you've probably got depends on where that's conveniently not necessary.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/1/2018 12:29 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Fact Check dot org...

    FULL QUESTION
    What are the facts regarding Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage and did she use it to further her career?

    FULL ANSWER
    No proof has emerged that confirms that Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is, as she has claimed, part Native American. Likewise, no proof has surfaced that Warren was previously hired as a professor by any university based on her alleged heritage.


Boy that's a first. Shutting maiisee's big mouth up with of all things...facts. Imagine that.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/1/2018 8:57 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Boy that's a first. Shutting maiisee's big mouth up with of all things...facts. Imagine that.
Bummer huh ? Just got back from the library, and this is what I found:

In a 1996 story in the Harvard Crimson student newspaper, a Harvard official stressed Warren’s heritage in response to questions about faculty diversity. “Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American,” a spokesperson for the law school told the newspaper.

Legal Insurrection's William Jacobson dug into Warren's stories and found no evidence to substantiate them. "Did Warren get the Harvard Law job because she claimed to be Native American?" writes Jacobson. "We don’t know, neither she nor Harvard Law have released her hiring file. But that’s not really the pertinent question. What we do know is that she tried to benefit from the claim, so at minimum there was an attempt to exploit that false claim."

So, unless you have access to her hiring files, we will have to leave it at speculation that her false claims of heritage were used in hiring, but liberal Harvard would love to tout a Native American on staff.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
8/1/2018 9:04 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Fact Check dot org...

    FULL QUESTION
    What are the facts regarding Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage and did she use it to further her career?

    FULL ANSWER
    No proof has emerged that confirms that Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is, as she has claimed, part Native American. Likewise, no proof has surfaced that Warren was previously hired as a professor by any university based on her alleged heritage.


BTW, Fact Check is funded by the Far Left Annenberg Foundation. whose founder used his various media outlets to push his liberal agenda.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3035 posts
8/2/2018 3:07 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Bummer huh ? Just got back from the library, and this is what I found:

    In a 1996 story in the Harvard Crimson student newspaper, a Harvard official stressed Warren’s heritage in response to questions about faculty diversity. “Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American,” a spokesperson for the law school told the newspaper.

    Legal Insurrection's William Jacobson dug into Warren's stories and found no evidence to substantiate them. "Did Warren get the Harvard Law job because she claimed to be Native American?" writes Jacobson. "We don’t know, neither she nor Harvard Law have released her hiring file. But that’s not really the pertinent question. What we do know is that she tried to benefit from the claim, so at minimum there was an attempt to exploit that false claim."

    So, unless you have access to her hiring files, we will have to leave it at speculation that her false claims of heritage were used in hiring, but liberal Harvard would love to tout a Native American on staff.

That is the question when the "fake news" that came spewing out of your mouth is that she "parlayed her family lore claim into a position at Harvard." There's that, then there's the fact that apparently fact check is only a reliable source when you, and your kind quote from it. And there's the comment you made on one of my blogs telling me that the Washington Post wasn't reliable. I've seen you quote from it. Are you telling me that unless you, and your kind use it as your news source it's not reliable? Surely not!

BTW..."a Harvard official" is hardly a legit source, and William Jacobson is also known as a Conservative Blogger.


dolores2luv 54F
8 posts
8/6/2018 2:12 am

I respect everyone point of view but would add this to the discussion. Trump has basically introduce the idea that there is no such thing as facts, no such thing as truth, and this is fundamentally different. He is attacking the very idea of truth and thereby giving his opponents no ground to stand on at all. Past POTUS have lied to us but they never made the case that facts don't matter. That's a very dangerous road to go down, but that's where we are.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/6/2018 5:11 am

    Quoting dolores2luv:
    I respect everyone point of view but would add this to the discussion. Trump has basically introduce the idea that there is no such thing as facts, no such thing as truth, and this is fundamentally different. He is attacking the very idea of truth and thereby giving his opponents no ground to stand on at all. Past POTUS have lied to us but they never made the case that facts don't matter. That's a very dangerous road to go down, but that's where we are.
Your comment deserves repeating...

Anyway...Just the title of this blog....is an abomination to the truth.


jiminycricket1 69M
10720 posts
8/6/2018 5:17 am

Two Indian chiefs sitting by a TeePee.. having an argument..

One looks down and say UGH... BIG BUG.
They argue about it and then

The other looks down and says.....Ugh.... squawshit!


DanDee1952 67M
20261 posts
8/6/2018 11:54 am

holy moley. what a slug fest! So glad a few of these gals are blocked from my blog. Hard to have a discussion with them going down so many rabbit trails. Misogynist, racist, and such. Oy!


dolores2luv 54F
8 posts
12/1/2018 9:32 am

To Rich, first of all Trump is not smart enough to find a cure for cancer. He is smart enough to steal it from the person that would discover it and tell the world that he found the cure for cancer (which you would believe him) and also ask for the Nobel Price. Second, Trump would sell the cure to make money and not give it away free because he has no compassion for anyone and especially for people suffering. Third, Trump does not love his country; he loves only himself that is well documented. However, I do understand your defense of Trump, you are choosing your whiteness to help maintain white supremacy as opposed to what will help maintain the safety of America overall. You truly are a Deplorable Character!