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MrsJoe 76F
17366 posts
12/16/2018 6:15 am

Reminds me of a news segment I saw awhile back. College age kids were asked about voter IDs and they were against it because they thought black people in the cities wouldn't know how to get one.
Then they asked black people in the cities about it, and all of them knew where and how to get an id............ and were amazed at the answers by those college kids.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/16/2018 6:58 am

Punishment or Protection...?
Republicans try to sell protection, but almost invariably it's punishment

Laws for punishment are pretty specific....Laws for protection, are varied having alternatives.. the more specific and lacking alternatives.....the more the INTENT is punishment.

Repealing Obamacare..
Tax cuts
building a "Wall"
immigration reform and Daca's
Abortion
De-regulation.
Gerrymandering
VOTER ID


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
12/16/2018 8:22 am

Liberals want to treat the poor, minorities, immigrates like children.

Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17366 posts
12/16/2018 8:33 am

    Quoting  :

If I were black, or Hispanic, I would be furious that those snobs think I'm not smart enough to do whatever is necessary to vote!
Of course, there are some who play the "poor me" card, but those people come in all colors.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Rocketship 79F
18557 posts
12/16/2018 9:16 am

I'm curious...... For all the identification documents needed... as listed in the blog, why is there even a need for a separate document to register for voting? I would think that a couple of those listed would require a fair amount of verified information...eg. public programs.


MrsJoe 76F
17366 posts
12/16/2018 9:27 am

    Quoting Rocketship:
    I'm curious...... For all the identification documents needed... as listed in the blog, why is there even a need for a separate document to register for voting? I would think that a couple of those listed would require a fair amount of verified information...eg. public programs.
I believe she is just talking about one ID, the same ID is needed to buy alcohol or cigarettes, or sign up for other government programs. It isn't a separate one for each task. That would be a state issued driver's license or ID card. When Joe stopped driving, he went to the driver's license facility and got just an ID card that has his picture, address, and birthday on it.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
12/16/2018 9:52 am

"Vote Harvesting" (continue to collect votes AFTER the election until the numbers favor you) has proven a vast success in California. Somehow, with the Dem penchant for getting votes any way they can, I can't worry much about the poor benighted not getting to vote.

But voter ID WILL kill some of the most obvious fraud.


Rocketship 79F
18557 posts
12/16/2018 11:37 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I believe she is just talking about one ID, the same ID is needed to buy alcohol or cigarettes, or sign up for other government programs. It isn't a separate one for each task. That would be a state issued driver's license or ID card. When Joe stopped driving, he went to the driver's license facility and got just an ID card that has his picture, address, and birthday on it.
Thanks MrsJoe........ So why, if a person has this identification document, why do they have to register to vote? Why can't they just present this ID, and vote?

Sorry if this seems like a strange question, but I'm not American and I would guess every country has a different system.






dusty117 73M

12/16/2018 12:23 pm

Trump says "you can't buy groceries without showing ID" That's really stupid …


dusty117 73M

12/16/2018 1:32 pm

    Quoting  :

Hiramhankwilliam … if you have never seen or heard that quote it's because Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News etc. are doing a great job of keeping you uninformed as to just how stupid Trump is.

Google it. And by the way it's kinda hard to call the story fake when there's video of it.


1gasilverhead2 83M
4003 posts
12/16/2018 2:19 pm

    Quoting  :

I went to pay my cell phone bill today in person with cash. I had to show a picture I D and the employee had to write down the I D number on picture I D.

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The beginning of life, conception..


MrsJoe 76F
17366 posts
12/16/2018 3:21 pm

    Quoting Rocketship:
    Thanks MrsJoe........ So why, if a person has this identification document, why do they have to register to vote? Why can't they just present this ID, and vote?

    Sorry if this seems like a strange question, but I'm not American and I would guess every country has a different system.




Voters' names are kept on a list in the county where they live. They have to register to be on that list, and it can be done the day they vote and then they would be on that list until they change where they live.
The voters' registration keeps people from voting at more than one polling place.
At least that is the way it is supposed to work.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


dusty117 73M

12/16/2018 5:23 pm

    Quoting  :

First off Liz, I don't have a problem with a voter ID system. But if you read the blog you would know it's about stupid people.

Trump said you have to show ID to buy groceries. If that insults your intelligence, or writing the truth about Trump insults your intelligence .. that's hilarious. Sorry about that.

And by the way, rather than ask me about voter fraud in Ca. .. just come out with it. How many house seats went to Dems via voter fraud? Show me.


TxJW3 81M

12/16/2018 6:54 pm

How do we determine which votes are fraudulent when they are being counted?


TxJW3 81M

12/16/2018 7:03 pm

Poor people are not stupid.
Hopefully that answers your stupid question.
Party On!


MrsJoe 76F
17366 posts
12/16/2018 7:35 pm

    Quoting TxJW3:
    Poor people are not stupid.
    Hopefully that answers your stupid question.
    Party On!
Hi JW, nice to see you again. Did it get too cold to fish? I don't think the question is really that poor people are stupid, but that the liberal Democrats treat them like they are.
Have you seen my blogs about Bigblock and his heart surgery?
Sending you and the Mrs. wishes for a very Merry Christmas.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
12/16/2018 8:43 pm

Wow......2 blogs in a row about "STUPID"......one with the word stupid twice in the same title.........you're not making any sense at all.......just a crazy lady standing on the corner yelling "STUPID" into the wind.......


Rentier2 79M
950 posts
12/17/2018 5:51 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    First off Liz, I don't have a problem with a voter ID system. But if you read the blog you would know it's about stupid people.

    Trump said you have to show ID to buy groceries. If that insults your intelligence, or writing the truth about Trump insults your intelligence .. that's hilarious. Sorry about that.

    And by the way, rather than ask me about voter fraud in Ca. .. just come out with it. How many house seats went to Dems via voter fraud? Show me.
Of course there is a problem with the voter id system.
Too many people are registered to vote who vote for the wrong party.
Ditto for district boundaries - they have been aligned far too often in such a way as to rob the Reps of the seats they rightly deserve.

The Reps are the party that understands the true intentions of the Founding Fathers. Voting must be restricted to White, property-owning, preferably Protestant, males. The Rep measures for voter id must always be viewed while keeping this principle in mind.

Our wonderful former PM in Canada tried to fix our system using tactics similar to what the GOP has used and continues to use.

Alas, he failed because the snowflakes voted in an inexperienced rich kid instead.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/17/2018 7:18 am

    Quoting  :

Obviously, your not initiative enough to understand my gibberish.. without it being totally specifics.. To me.. it isn't as specific.. as Democrats would have you believe.

First let me say.. the idea of voter fraud.. is bogus..if fraud was your concerned there are many ways to combat fraud..combating fraud does not follow party lines...Fraud, although not a priority problem still exists on many levels.. no one level being more important than another..
In Florida, for example, the accusation of fraud means very little.. when the accuser had the power for 20 years to correct it. but they choose not to correct some fraud for their own self interest. In Florida, it's evident that correcting some fraud, would adversely effect the "fraud' the party in control is doing ... So fraud is really not the issue.. The same goes for the country,, and the Republican Party.

So what really is voter restrictions? Well the specific group is not the issue, people of color or the poor.. Is not the issue... Winning elections is the issue.

There is NO DOUBT in my mind that... if every eligible voter voted the Republicans would lose.. I know it's hard for THEM to admit.. but they know it...But what they also know.. is the greatest deterrent to voter turn out is apathy.. and apathy can be found greater in people of color or the poor.

Voter restrictions are NOT for the "PREVENTION" of fraud.....but "PUNISHMENT"..... for APATHY.

Do I need to explain that to you.. Is it just more gibberish?
I will use a "metaphor".... When someone does not "want" to run in a race.. the best way to prevent them from doing it.. is put "the hurdles" in front of them..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/17/2018 7:29 am

I could do the same thing for every single issue. I mentioned...Different reasons, of course, but still....
It's never for PREVENTION...It's for PUNISHMENT....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/17/2018 9:26 am

    Quoting  :

Yes ...I do make mistakes....sometimes is just happens..and I don't realize it..

But the IRONY with YOU is amazing... and the PROOF... is in the pudding

The simple idea... that YOUR comment.. ALWAYS proves my point..your only "initiative" is to find my mistake..... You are simply not "intuitive" enough.. to understand me...or to even understand yourself..

The difference between us... is in 'words' and meanings..
for example your title... "poor" and "stupid" You think it's narrow meaning is poor...not having wealth,.... and "stupid" meaning not having intelligence.. I don't see the words the same way.. As they identify us all.... "poor" as in judgment...and the degree of intelligence doesn't prevent people from doing "stupid" things..... So as far as people go.. YOU are poor and stupid..too. You prove it everyday.. Does that make YOU a Democrat?

So my reason of how you prove MY POINT..... is in your actions.. and this blog response... I question your poor judgment and your stupidity for not seeing it. How you don't see it.. and how you will NEVER see it. how in your simple mind finding a single word mistake, can make the whole idea seem a mistake... ..

And you PROVE the point of my blog response.. not just about voter ID.. but about every "stupid" "un-intuitive" thing you do..

So let me ask you... Were you trying to PREVENT me from making a mistake.....
or trying to PUNISH me for making one?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/17/2018 10:47 am

Tennessee Tag Team stupidity?

One jumps in......then jumps out.. and other jumps in to to take HER place.. while dressing the same

The irony is you're both so "crotchity"....It's hard to tell you apart with that kind of measurement.... Baby bear is too small, and Papa bear is too big.. but Mama bear is just right.... So it's no wonder, that you can wear the same dress.

So let me ask you.... did I misspell it, by mistake or on purpose? Did you catch the drift of who's penis envying who? Now one thing you don't have to worry about is a "mushroom dick"....Now.. I don't know if you both have enough "balls". but you both got plenty of scrotum ( or maybe that should be "screwthem") ...even if they are "empty"... I'm not good at spelling... but you, butt, already know that.


dusty117 73M

12/17/2018 2:36 pm

    Quoting  :

The economy is improved. Nobody denies it.

The news is the news is the news … I get news everywhere, from PBS to Sean Hannity .. and spin is just spin. Learn the difference.

Two seconds away from war with North Korea is spin. What happened to that? We're hearing differing accounts of what happened regarding nukes. We know one thing that happened … Trump caved on Military readiness exercises with the South .. as requested by the North.

Canada and Mexico WERE going to stop trading with the US .. lol ok

The Stormy Daniels "story" (you brought it up) isn't really about a billionaire with arm candy wife hiring prostitutes is it? The short version of the story is Cohen is a convicted felon doing hard time for what he alleges was directed by Trump. Stormy, Stormy Stormy isn't going anywhere


TxJW3 81M

12/17/2018 7:29 pm

LOL
Party On!


TxJW3 81M

12/17/2018 7:49 pm

Maisie knows exactly how every democrat thinks and what they believe about poor people.
What a stupid blog.
The content is even stupider than the title.
Except for Jiminys input about Tailgunner venturing into virgin territory on his support mission. LOL
Party On!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/18/2018 7:48 am

    Quoting TxJW3:
    Maisie knows exactly how every democrat thinks and what they believe about poor people.
    What a stupid blog.
    The content is even stupider than the title.
    Except for Jiminys input about Tailgunner venturing into virgin territory on his support mission. LOL
    Party On!
obviously .. it was banished to cyberspace.. "The Lost Frontier"
I find sexual stuff amusing.. can't help it.. so I write it down...they can't take a joke, cuz they are a joke..
What I didn't write was thinking about Tennessee Tag Team fornication.
Thinking of how that conversation would go..

"Ooh ooh baby.. you got to find the right spot.....move it around a little...Okay,, kay kay... that's it. you got it....Now baby baby.. go for it.. PUNISH IT.... PUNISH THEM... PUNISH IT..PUNISH THEM!"

That's what Lizst says......

maisie just wears an unscrewtable smile..and thinks Mona Lisa never had it so good..! She thinks... "Gloria Steinem.... Eat your heart out!".. LOL


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/18/2018 8:54 am

"The miracle of the “Swallows” of Capistrano takes place each year at Mission San Juan Capistrano, on March 19th, St. Joseph’s Day. Swallows migrate 6,000 miles from Goya, Argentina to San Juan Capistrano in large groups".

Now.. i doubt that Maisie believe in "Leap Year" in Ireland for a woman to ask a man to marry her... But maybe if she sees it.. she can believe it.....(doubtful, for her because seeing isn't believing)

It a quaint little Cal-Mex town in California.. Called San Juan Capistrano.. It's a Mission position... between LA and San Diego.... now, of course it's LIBERAL..not only that..it's got lots of illegals.. but there some advantages to being "Liberal"....Like it's a Sanctuary City, for people who could THINK somethings that should be "Illegal".. can find sanctuary!

But some possibility is better than NONE..

So my my advice to Lizst is to take maisie to San Juan Capistrano on March 19th.

To see if the miracle of "swallows" really do cum back in Capistrano! LOL


TxJW3 81M

12/18/2018 10:45 am

Right! Maisie.
Make a blanket statement grouping people -----say they believe and act a certain way---then you think they must defend themselves against your imagination.

Criticize if they protest. Surely you can come up with something better than that. LOL
Far Out!

If and when I make a political statement you can rest assured I in no way want to interfere with your political SFF monopoly of the subject.
Party On!
Tell Tailgunner I said Christmas is near and go light on the Christmas cheer. LOLOL


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/18/2018 11:37 am

    Quoting  :

So tell me ...how am I abusing you..?

It must be.. because I'm not being "politically correct" Maybe.. I watch Bill Maher. too much... instead of Fox News.

It's not abuse.. when the Goose gets all she wants... and I'm just gandering at the Gander.. when the gander thinks I'm jealous of him...Hell No... I'm more jealous of YOU
Seriously, If I was to abuse you.. I would say.....The inability for someone to laugh at oneself.. is pure Trumpian..and so it defines "deplorable".... and the new Golden Rule.. "Do it to someone else... before they do it to you.."
Even if that person would never do it... in a million years.. Because you can always find someone who would..

Again you prove my point....as someone who talks about free speech, and How Liberals prevents the Right's Nazi's and Racist from talking.. Like they have no Right..
But you have the RIGHT.....To "Report Me' and "Delete Me" because you don't like My Joke! .....Yes... I use so-called..."bad" language, but believe me....If I wrote what I thought the language would be a lot worse.. I still got a few "filters" left.. catch me in ten years and you'll get both barrels.... Almost all the time..being correct is not my motivation...but how I feel is what I GOT to temper....... but then again... I'm Not ALL filters like you .... and i'm not like the "sheep" you lead.. ....Not everything I do.. has a diabolical purpose.
My gosh.. if there is... such a thing as Russian Bot... You are it..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/18/2018 12:04 pm

So how do I know all this......That you're out of place..And your heart is like iron

It's easy for my nose to tell ... when a type of fish is out of water.. and you can't soften iron

It's because it "smelt" bad.


hermitinthecity 70M
1695 posts
12/19/2018 4:54 am

I think you have the wording wrong, the answer is in reversing your title, it should read, "Why are stupid people poor?" It answers itself. lol

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
12/19/2018 10:01 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    Of course there is a problem with the voter id system.
    Too many people are registered to vote who vote for the wrong party.
    Ditto for district boundaries - they have been aligned far too often in such a way as to rob the Reps of the seats they rightly deserve.

    The Reps are the party that understands the true intentions of the Founding Fathers. Voting must be restricted to White, property-owning, preferably Protestant, males. The Rep measures for voter id must always be viewed while keeping this principle in mind.

    Our wonderful former PM in Canada tried to fix our system using tactics similar to what the GOP has used and continues to use.

    Alas, he failed because the snowflakes voted in an inexperienced rich kid instead.
The Founding Fathers wrote the constitution with white males in mind but the Constitution has expanded with amended added to include women and minorities. It was the Republicans who were responsible for the 13th, 15th, and 19th amendments. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who supported Brown versus the Board of Education and sent the National Guards to enforce it. It was the Republicans who voted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while the Democrats opposed it. They have been screwing the minority communities ever since. It was the working poor who voted in that "inexperienced rich kid" because the Status Quo was not working for them so why not try an outspoken businessman who is a Bull in a China Shop instead of a Barrister Snake in the grass.

Abracadabra


dusty117 73M

12/19/2018 5:04 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    The Founding Fathers wrote the constitution with white males in mind but the Constitution has expanded with amended added to include women and minorities. It was the Republicans who were responsible for the 13th, 15th, and 19th amendments. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who supported Brown versus the Board of Education and sent the National Guards to enforce it. It was the Republicans who voted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while the Democrats opposed it. They have been screwing the minority communities ever since. It was the working poor who voted in that "inexperienced rich kid" because the Status Quo was not working for them so why not try an outspoken businessman who is a Bull in a China Shop instead of a Barrister Snake in the grass.
Kennedy called on Congress for Civil Rights legislation in 1963. Johnson made it a priority and got it done.

Civil Rights legislation in 1964 and 1965 passed with bipartisan support and signed into law by a Lyndon Johnson. Opposition was mostly regional and on both sides of the aisle. .. and largely from the Southern (Confederate) States.


TxJW3 81M

12/20/2018 5:47 am

It's OK Maisie. I am just happy to be here.
I know how to read well enough to understand the direction and intent of what you write. Sometimes I am ahead of you. LOL
Party On!


Rentier2 79M
950 posts
12/20/2018 8:58 am

    Quoting  :

And I find it difficult to understand why you would not want a system in place to make voting as easy as possible for as many people as possible.


Rentier2 79M
950 posts
12/20/2018 9:01 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    The Founding Fathers wrote the constitution with white males in mind but the Constitution has expanded with amended added to include women and minorities. It was the Republicans who were responsible for the 13th, 15th, and 19th amendments. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who supported Brown versus the Board of Education and sent the National Guards to enforce it. It was the Republicans who voted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while the Democrats opposed it. They have been screwing the minority communities ever since. It was the working poor who voted in that "inexperienced rich kid" because the Status Quo was not working for them so why not try an outspoken businessman who is a Bull in a China Shop instead of a Barrister Snake in the grass.
Well, I'm a strict constitutionalist.
I will always go with the original intent of the FF's rather than some PC so-called 'amendment'.


dusty117 73M

12/20/2018 12:21 pm

    Quoting  :

As the saying goes "that was then and this is now". The Oakland Raiders used to be the winningest team in footfall ... and what Republicans USED TO BE has nothing to do with who they are now.

Your 'he said she said' about Johnson's "racist words" translates into a non-issue. Most Southerners were racists weren't they? All you need to know about Johnson is that he signed more Civil Rights legislation than any other President. That's the History.

Speaking of History …History isn't going to be kind to the alleged thief in the White House. Calling the everyday news "fake" may work for a small group of people in a small window of time … coffee brewen.


dusty117 73M

12/21/2018 8:52 pm

    Quoting  :

Wake up Lisztomania. Limbaugh, Hannity and ilk created Trump. It's obvious Trump is too stupid to have won the election on his own.

And Today Trump showed the world exactly how easy it is to manipulate him. And how desperate he is to hang on to the Limbaugh crowd.

I'm sure you know, on Wednesday the Senate passed a resolution that would have funded the government through February 8. Limbaugh fumes "Trump gets nothing and the Democrats get everything," Ann Coulter vowed to withhold her support from the president's 2020 campaign if he couldn't deliver on the wall. “They’re about to have a country where no Republican will ever be elected president again,” she told The Daily Caller. “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people and amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever."

Trump flips, flops, tells some more lies and guess what .. we have the Limbaugh Coulter shutdown. ..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/22/2018 10:43 am

    Quoting  :

So Trump won.. but what did he win?

And more important what did YOU win, by Trump winning.

I can agree it was a lose/lose proposition for YOU

So ...all you won.... was "defeat"
You won by default...You won by defeating Hillary..

but if you win "defeat".. You own defeat.
.


dusty117 73M

12/27/2018 4:55 pm

    Quoting  :

Leaning away from capitalism?

Before Trump showed up you were 100% against tariffs. According to you and the Limbaugh crowd, tariffs were the complete opposite of what 'free market capitalism' is about. And tariffs are the tools of socialists and communists. In your words a "non-business man" would call for tariffs.

I'm not hearing much about it now from the pubs .. speaking of bowing to influence.


dusty117 73M

12/28/2018 10:42 am

    Quoting  :

Maisie, your anti-tariff rants are on my blog. They're on two of my blogs entitled Labor Day.They're still up if you want to take a look. And tariffs were needed when the mass exodus of manufacturing facilities escalated … during the Reagan years. We all know the jobs aren't coming back .. and everyone except the "slow class" knows that Trump needs tariffs to finance his money grab.

Obamacare is a "heavy lean" away from capitalism? Really … Trump ran his campaign on improving government funded socialized Healthcare. He's going to "repeal and replace" .. without tax dollars. Sure he is.


dusty117 73M

12/30/2018 12:41 pm

The blog title is Labor Day … I posted it on 9/1/14

Fair trade not Free trade
Protect the US standard of living through tariffs. If a corporation moves its manufactories to a low-wage nation, tax it's imports to a degree that it would be less expensive to manufacture their product in the USA.

One of your comments is quote "What non-business man said that? I am sure they have never had a real job. I know they have never had to analyze a P&L (profit and loss statement) and figure out how to make more money for their stockholders.

Corporations need to make money to stay corporations. There are two ways to improve- sales and lower expenses. The government collects MORE money when the rates are lower. I call it the Wal-mart method of taxation. You charge less, you make more in the long run. Everyday lower taxes.

Countries with business-friendly environments are growing- Canada and Ireland for example, while the US's anti-business climate is driving companies out.