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looklook 79M
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3/13/2019 11:05 am

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Are Humans Predisposed to Kill Each Other?

Are we, the humans really predisposed to kill each other? The question is haunting me soon after I read an article on the subject very recently!


The article states that if we “view our species objectively from the outside, the way a zoologist would carefully observe any other animal, or see us the way every other creature perceives human beings. The brutal reality could not be more evident or more horrifying. Humans are the most relentless yet oblivious killers on Earth."


Do you consider that humans are really predisposed to kill each other?



Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/13/2019 11:32 am

Could humans be compared with the killer whales?

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


sandy2020 77F
113 posts
3/13/2019 12:05 pm

A very good question for us to ask ourselves looklook.

My guess is that most would say 'no' to being predisposed to killing each other... but then not all of us have been confronted with a situation that would give rise to a different answer. I myself know that I could kill if I was threatened and had an opportunity I would not think twice.

Mankind is not as civilized as some like to think...he is a very base creature. I will be very interested to hear what others have to say.


sportsbuffHal 61M
152 posts
3/13/2019 12:43 pm

NO THANKS SUSAN, I DO NOT NEED TO PONDER THE MURDER TENDENCIES OF MY SPECIES.

SELF PRESERVATION COMES WITH THE TERRITORY, AS IN FOR FOOD TO STAY ALIVE, AS IN SELF PROTECTION AND SELF DEFENSE.

THAT YOU WOULD KILL IF THREATENED MAKES ME GLAD IM NOT YOUR NEIGHBOR. NOT KNOWING THE EXTENT OF YOUR FEARS OR WHAT LEVEL OF ACTIONS WOULD TRIGGER YOUR KILLING BUTTON, WOULD MAKE ME MISS A MOTHERS DAY CARD TO YOU IF I WAS ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN.

YOUR BLOG YESTERDAY ON BEARS KILLING HUMANS WAS A BIG RED FLAG.
YOUR DELETION OF THE TRUTH OF TIM THREADWELL A GREAT MAN DEDICATED TO THE SUPPORT OF LIFE WITH OUR ANIMAL COUSINS WAS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU..

I WISH I COULD SEND YOU A FULL BOTTLE OF CHILL AND CALMDOWN PILLS.


Misguided1 51M
53 posts
3/13/2019 3:11 pm

Oh she kept her full arsenill of weapons handy
Did this self bomb shelter broad named Sandy

As for her old dog that was full of fleas
Don't you dare even try too tread on me

Now eat your battery acid laced bone candy!!


Rocketship 74F
15220 posts
3/13/2019 4:05 pm

I think that our ancient history was based on a fight for survival against the harsh element of nature.

I don't think we are naturally predisposed to kill other humans, except to protect ourselves and those dear to us.

Killer whales are hunting & killing to feed themselves.


sandy2020 77F
113 posts
3/13/2019 4:29 pm

    Quoting sportsbuffHal:
    NO THANKS SUSAN, I DO NOT NEED TO PONDER THE MURDER TENDENCIES OF MY SPECIES.

    SELF PRESERVATION COMES WITH THE TERRITORY, AS IN FOR FOOD TO STAY ALIVE, AS IN SELF PROTECTION AND SELF DEFENSE.

    THAT YOU WOULD KILL IF THREATENED MAKES ME GLAD IM NOT YOUR NEIGHBOR. NOT KNOWING THE EXTENT OF YOUR FEARS OR WHAT LEVEL OF ACTIONS WOULD TRIGGER YOUR KILLING BUTTON, WOULD MAKE ME MISS A MOTHERS DAY CARD TO YOU IF I WAS ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN.

    YOUR BLOG YESTERDAY ON BEARS KILLING HUMANS WAS A BIG RED FLAG.
    YOUR DELETION OF THE TRUTH OF TIM THREADWELL A GREAT MAN DEDICATED TO THE SUPPORT OF LIFE WITH OUR ANIMAL COUSINS WAS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU..

    I WISH I COULD SEND YOU A FULL BOTTLE OF CHILL AND CALMDOWN PILLS.
You take the pills and chill... lololol


sandy2020 77F
113 posts
3/13/2019 4:31 pm

    Quoting Misguided1:
    Oh she kept her full arsenill of weapons handy
    Did this self bomb shelter broad named Sandy

    As for her old dog that was full of fleas
    Don't you dare even try too tread on me

    Now eat your battery acid laced bone candy!!
You need to join your alter ego with his chill pills....LOLOLOL


GLUMO 83F
8808 posts
3/13/2019 5:03 pm

Agree with Rocketship. However, many women kill their own children when they are still forming in their womb. Well, this is another subject ...


Trust in dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity.(Khalil Gibran)


Misguided1 51M
53 posts
3/13/2019 5:37 pm

    Quoting sandy2020:
    You need to join your alter ego with his chill pills....LOLOLOL
SANDY?

WILL YOU MARRY ME DARLIN?

We could settle in some remote uninhabited parcel of prairie land and start our very own Cemetary together.

Chill Pill Pine Boxes we could name it.
But first i must know..

CAN YOU DIG IT?????????


sandy2020 77F
113 posts
3/13/2019 6:03 pm

    Quoting Misguided1:
    SANDY?

    WILL YOU MARRY ME DARLIN?

    We could settle in some remote uninhabited parcel of prairie land and start our very own Cemetary together.

    Chill Pill Pine Boxes we could name it.
    But first i must know..

    CAN YOU DIG IT?????????
NO HIRAM ... I can't dig it! You are one sick puppy...!!! Go away...far away!


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/13/2019 9:45 pm

    Quoting sandy2020:
    A very good question for us to ask ourselves looklook.

    My guess is that most would say 'no' to being predisposed to killing each other... but then not all of us have been confronted with a situation that would give rise to a different answer. I myself know that I could kill if I was threatened and had an opportunity I would not think twice.

    Mankind is not as civilized as some like to think...he is a very base creature. I will be very interested to hear what others have to say.
Sandy, thank you so much for your views left at above. I see no reason to disagree with your opinion on the subject. However, I can’t also disagree with the opinion that human ‘violence operates far outside the bounds of any other species.’
Take Care. Stay well and cheerful always.



Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/13/2019 11:24 pm

    Quoting Rocketship:
    I think that our ancient history was based on a fight for survival against the harsh element of nature.

    I don't think we are naturally predisposed to kill other humans, except to protect ourselves and those dear to us.

    Killer whales are hunting & killing to feed themselves.

Thanks, Rocketship for your comments left at above. Yes, our ancestors fought against harsh nature to survive as mentioned by you. But they were fiercely territorial too. They fought each other to protect their respective territories! Even today, we see signs hanging on the entrance gates of private properties reading as "Trespassers will be shot!" Didn’t some of the rich countries-built boarder walls and barbed war fences around their countries to stop ‘Trespassers’ from coming in illegally?
Yes, killer Whales hunt and kill to feed themselves. They are known to be highly social but not territorial like human beings! Take care and stay cheerful always.


Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 12:09 am

    Quoting GLUMO:
    Agree with Rocketship. However, many women kill their own children when they are still forming in their womb. Well, this is another subject ...
Glumo, delighted to read from you here on my blog page again after a considerable long time. I feel sad when I hear about those women who prefer to kill the unborn growing up in their wombs! This is another kind of killer instinct that some homo sapiens, particularly women nurture!
Hope, you are doing well. Take Care.


Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


Archer62 78F
4189 posts
3/14/2019 3:20 am

IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL LOOK. WE ARE THE SAME AS OTHER ANIMALS, WE FIGHT FOR OUR TERRITORY, OUR FAMILIES, AND FOR BELIEFS SEEING WE HAVE THEM. BEING OF SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE HAS MADE US EVEN BETTER KILLERS, SAD BUT TRUE.


jiminycricket1 68M
10259 posts
3/14/2019 8:41 am

The higher the intelligence..the greater the idea of threat..

Human are really no different....They see the threat differently...A past threat, a current threat, and a future threat.. the real threat and the unrealistic threat.

Couple that with any living species idea about killing for survival...And human take on a wider range of Killing.

Humans can see the threat from other humans...that most species do not find within themselves.

the irony about that...the human ability to remove outside threats..until the only threat left is themselves.... we are moving in that direction both mentally and physically.

I certainly wouldn't use the word predisposed.....more like post disposed...a learned trait....that has more to do about control than survival. Again, moving in the direction of CONTROL.. both mentally and physically.

Another human breaks into your house.......if he has a gun.. you kill him because he poses a physical threat.. if he doesn't have a gun.. you kill him because he's a threat to your control. Justifiable Homicide.. that is until breaking into your "real" "house" has nothing to do with it.. Which is where we at now.


jiminycricket1 68M
10259 posts
3/14/2019 9:02 am

Very few human kill for the pleasure.....But even they misinterpret their reason..The pleasure is not in the killing..... it's in the control..


joannita 64F
1232 posts
3/14/2019 9:43 am

I do not know if predisposed, Looklook... but humanity certainly has a disgusting track record compared to any other species! very interesting post to think about, thanks!
jo


jiminycricket1 68M
10259 posts
3/14/2019 10:56 am

WE are the only speicies that has confused the ideas of control and survival....We have come to realize incorrectly that without control, we lose our ability to guarantee survival..
It effect everything we do.....the ideas of wealth and power.. where it once appeared to be it's own reward..It no longer means that ....It means control.. It means survival.

At our age.... it's really obvious......Our idea and fear about our own "survival"......are about losing wealth, losing power, and losing control....

No other species... does that.....Although other species may have fear....the idea of the control of it.. does not enter the picture... they do what it takes.. without guarantees, without total control, and to a degree acceptance...that's the way it is..
Human aren't like that.. that's what they are predispose to......is to believe they can control the things they fear.....but Humans never realize.... it's their fear that controls them.......... Just ask Donald Trump!


mySeek19 75F
12 posts
3/14/2019 6:11 pm

Human race, contrary to animals, has dangerous traits: greed and envy! Wars are started for that reason, and the most powerful gets it all. "The Future" by l. Cohen tells how it ends.


lilium5 69F
2098 posts
3/14/2019 7:13 pm

Where attention goes, energy flows ~ hope springs eternal

The world's first peace organizations emerged in the 19th century and since that time, anti-war activism has progressed rapidly. This illuminating book presents a realistic analysis of the extent to which the war system has infiltrated all aspects of Western culture and how it works to perpetuate war rather than promote peace. Additionally, the text describes the historically recent and still evolving parallel system of peace institutions. The values and ideas that have grown out of peace activism offer a very real opportunity to outlaw war in the coming century just as slavery was abolished in the 19th century - 'From War to Peace - A Guide to the Next Hundred Years' - Kent D Shifferd


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 8:13 pm

    Quoting Archer62:
    IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL LOOK. WE ARE THE SAME AS OTHER ANIMALS, WE FIGHT FOR OUR TERRITORY, OUR FAMILIES, AND FOR BELIEFS SEEING WE HAVE THEM. BEING OF SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE HAS MADE US EVEN BETTER KILLERS, SAD BUT TRUE.
Archer, I have no reason to disagree with what you have stated in your post. I believe that humans with bigger brains are genetically predisposed to kill each other of their own kinds than other animals! Have a nice weekend, Archer.


Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 9:15 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The higher the intelligence..the greater the idea of threat..

    Human are really no different....They see the threat differently...A past threat, a current threat, and a future threat.. the real threat and the unrealistic threat.

    Couple that with any living species idea about killing for survival...And human take on a wider range of Killing.

    Humans can see the threat from other humans...that most species do not find within themselves.

    the irony about that...the human ability to remove outside threats..until the only threat left is themselves.... we are moving in that direction both mentally and physically.

    I certainly wouldn't use the word predisposed.....more like post disposed...a learned trait....that has more to do about control than survival. Again, moving in the direction of CONTROL.. both mentally and physically.

    Another human breaks into your house.......if he has a gun.. you kill him because he poses a physical threat.. if he doesn't have a gun.. you kill him because he's a threat to your control. Justifiable Homicide.. that is until breaking into your "real" "house" has nothing to do with it.. Which is where we at now.
You are so correct, jiminycricket about seeing threats by humans differently than other animals that maybe a past threat, or a present threat and or a future threat which could be real or unreal! They take precautions on the basis of threats they perceive.
You have reasons for not using the word predisposed but I wonder what you would say if the word 'genetically' is added before the word 'predisposed'?
Humans have been provided with a bit bigger brains by the creator perhaps without implanting proper guidance system there in for using the brains properly-hence the killings of their own kind!
I may add here that a new study of 1,024mammal species has determined which animals are the most vicious killers of their own kind. Yes, humans have topped the list.
Thank you so much for participating in the discussions. Your input has surely enriched the blog immensely! Take care.




Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 9:38 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Very few human kill for the pleasure.....But even they misinterpret their reason..The pleasure is not in the killing..... it's in the control..
jiminy, I believe some wealthy people indulge in killing animals for pleasure as well as fun. Maybe, they do it for a photo session! The call it "Trophy Hunting." Here also their genetically implanted predisposed instinct plays its part! The instinct has nothing to do with Control if I am not wrong!

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 9:59 pm

    Quoting joannita:
    I do not know if predisposed, Looklook... but humanity certainly has a disgusting track record compared to any other species! very interesting post to think about, thanks!
    jo
Jo, delighted to read from you here on my blog page once again after such a long time and thanks for your comment that you have left on here for me to read. True, our track record is not only disgusting in nature but also unacceptable.
Hope, you are keeping well, Jo. Take care and stay cheerful always
.


Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/14/2019 10:37 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    WE are the only speicies that has confused the ideas of control and survival....We have come to realize incorrectly that without control, we lose our ability to guarantee survival..
    It effect everything we do.....the ideas of wealth and power.. where it once appeared to be it's own reward..It no longer means that ....It means control.. It means survival.

    At our age.... it's really obvious......Our idea and fear about our own "survival"......are about losing wealth, losing power, and losing control....

    No other species... does that.....Although other species may have fear....the idea of the control of it.. does not enter the picture... they do what it takes.. without guarantees, without total control, and to a degree acceptance...that's the way it is..
    Human aren't like that.. that's what they are predispose to......is to believe they can control the things they fear.....but Humans never realize.... it's their fear that controls them.......... Just ask Donald Trump!
Jiminy, we don't need to ask anything to Donald for clarification! He may make us more confused if we do so! Maybe, he is one whose own fear controls himself!

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


sandy2020 77F
113 posts
3/15/2019 1:32 am

Another thought Looklook... are men more 'predisposed' to killing than women? I would belive that statistics would say "YES"!


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/15/2019 3:28 am

    Quoting mySeek19:
    Human race, contrary to animals, has dangerous traits: greed and envy! Wars are started for that reason, and the most powerful gets it all. "The Future" by l. Cohen tells how it ends.
Karin, glad to read your comments left on my blog page here. Not only greed and envy, human race has many more dangerous traits such as religion, racism, revenge etc. While responding to your comments, I was watching the breaking news on my TV about the senseless killings that took place in two Christchurch Mosques in New Zealand at 1:40 PM, local time. The person involved in the shooting is an Australian born white man and he has gunned down 49 Muslims praying in the mosques in cold blood! He not only killed them in cold blood but he also filmed his horrendous acts and live streamed in social media! The Killer happens to be one from Human Race! What pains me most is that the killings have taken place in a most unlikely peaceful country like New Zealand. Stay well, Karin. Take care.

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/15/2019 4:39 am

    Quoting lilium5:
    Where attention goes, energy flows ~ hope springs eternal

    The world's first peace organizations emerged in the 19th century and since that time, anti-war activism has progressed rapidly. This illuminating book presents a realistic analysis of the extent to which the war system has infiltrated all aspects of Western culture and how it works to perpetuate war rather than promote peace. Additionally, the text describes the historically recent and still evolving parallel system of peace institutions. The values and ideas that have grown out of peace activism offer a very real opportunity to outlaw war in the coming century just as slavery was abolished in the 19th century - 'From War to Peace - A Guide to the Next Hundred Years' - Kent D Shifferd
Lilium, I don't feel like responding to the wonderful post left on my blog page by you after watching the chilling news on TV broadcasting the killing orgy carried out by an Australian in cold blood inside two Mosques in Christchurch which he has videoed and live streamed. Lilium, it happened in New Zealand, a peaceful country. Unthinkable! The man is also one of from the human race! May the unfortunate victims of this horrendous act rest in peace! Take care and stay well.

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/15/2019 5:15 am

    Quoting sandy2020:
    Another thought Looklook... are men more 'predisposed' to killing than women? I would belive that statistics would say "YES"!
I don't think so, Sandy. Probably killers make no such choice when they decide to act! A psychiatrist can say more about it. Perhaps, you have seen the killing orgy on TV that was carried out in Christchurch a few hours back today. The killer went for everyone irrespective of men, women and children! Do you not consider this person as an example who is genetically predisposed to kill fellow humans?

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


jiminycricket1 68M
10259 posts
3/15/2019 8:33 am

    Quoting looklook:
    Jiminy, we don't need to ask anything to Donald for clarification! He may make us more confused if we do so! Maybe, he is one whose own fear controls himself!
well.. I don't think Donald Trump fears...Nobody could act the way he does and HAVE fear...
He instills fear as a control..Once he makes you fear....he gains control..maybe not you or I.. because we see through it.. but on the people that it works, it allows him to use it... Politically for Donald Trump... Winning isn't about Winning .. it about losing ones fears.. Trump is the only one that can WIN and remove your fears.

Rich people who "hunt" for pleasure.. and KILLING... Do so... as a manifestation of their control.. In a world where control is a battle, a constant battle... killing for pleasure..epitomizes their "control" over things. It's an immediate refutation of any lack of control .. It enhances their own self-superiority.


jiminycricket1 68M
10259 posts
3/15/2019 8:50 am

    Quoting looklook:
    I don't think so, Sandy. Probably killers make no such choice when they decide to act! A psychiatrist can say more about it. Perhaps, you have seen the killing orgy on TV that was carried out in Christchurch a few hours back today. The killer went for everyone irrespective of men, women and children! Do you not consider this person as an example who is genetically predisposed to kill fellow humans?
I can't totally get into the Human Psyche. certainly don't intend for it to be a categorical absolute..

But i believe it has to do with CONTROL.. almost any killing, any time, for any human has to do with CONTROL..Control the person, control the situation, control the environment, control the outcome.

For mass murders.. It's the final statement of Control..From the frustration of a life.. "OUT" of control.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/15/2019 11:23 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    well.. I don't think Donald Trump fears...Nobody could act the way he does and HAVE fear...
    He instills fear as a control..Once he makes you fear....he gains control..maybe not you or I.. because we see through it.. but on the people that it works, it allows him to use it... Politically for Donald Trump... Winning isn't about Winning .. it about losing ones fears.. Trump is the only one that can WIN and remove your fears.

    Rich people who "hunt" for pleasure.. and KILLING... Do so... as a manifestation of their control.. In a world where control is a battle, a constant battle... killing for pleasure..epitomizes their "control" over things. It's an immediate refutation of any lack of control .. It enhances their own self-superiority.
But I think Donald fears himself more than anyone or anything else! I believe so. It is up to you to agree or not agree with my belief. Because it is your absolute right to disagree with me. I may once again reiterate that he fears to lose power and therefore tries to instills fear among a particular group of people- not everyone. Power hungry politicians throughout the world do so to retain powers! I would however agree with you that he has succeeded to control some people who would always vote for him. Those people are his power base! I believe that every politician has such power base!

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/15/2019 11:36 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I can't totally get into the Human Psyche. certainly don't intend for it to be a categorical absolute..

    But i believe it has to do with CONTROL.. almost any killing, any time, for any human has to do with CONTROL..Control the person, control the situation, control the environment, control the outcome.

    For mass murders.. It's the final statement of Control..From the frustration of a life.. "OUT" of control.
I consider the person who had created havoc in Christ Church mosques nothing but a genetically predisposed cold-blooded Killer of other innocent humans!

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.


boogie7102 74F
484 posts
3/15/2019 10:38 pm

    Quoting looklook:
    I consider the person who had created havoc in Christ Church mosques nothing but a genetically predisposed cold-blooded Killer of other innocent humans!
My thoughts turn to New Zealand and what they have experienced. Illium, please know that all my prayers are with you during this time. It is a time to unite and not to divide and to reflect on this horrific event.


looklook 79M
2735 posts
3/16/2019 1:54 am

    Quoting boogie7102:
    My thoughts turn to New Zealand and what they have experienced. Illium, please know that all my prayers are with you during this time. It is a time to unite and not to divide and to reflect on this horrific event.

Thank you for your post, boogie. I appreciate. lilium lives in New Plymouth, NZ. Hope she is keeping well by the Grace of God. My prayers are with the families of the innocent victims of the senseless carnage as well as with the people of New Zealand. We now know that hatred of a particular group of immigrants have been the motive behind this horrific crime committed by an Aussie export to tarnish the wonderful image of NZ as well as its fundamental principle of ethnic diversity. Take Care. Stay happy and well always.


Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.