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Leafliner 73M
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7/13/2013 5:47 am
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GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 7:20 am

I doubt free enterprise is going to end. There may be some changes that initially only negatively effect large corporations, but businesses are just people or groups of people exchanging their services or wares at a profit. And people will always exchange one form of wealth for another, so even if we eliminated money, free enterprise will still go on.

It'll go on because every human being wants to acquire more than they were born with. And they don't stop at the bare necessities. They are always looking to improve their lot in life, and thus they want more stuff.

Unfortunately, governments and laws can't change the fact that each person or group of people will ONLY continue to operate at those methods that produce adequate results. For companies to survive, they need to profit. Raise their costs, and they'll go out of business. Or decide not to go into business. Or move their business.

Doocy is wrong if he's implying that free enterprise is going to end. He may be correct to say it's going to change, but it's always been changing since the dawn of mankind. All government regulations can do is turn every business more and more towards becoming one huge black market. I'm not suggesting there be no regulations or restrictions. But governments have to be careful not to overdo it.

However, he's right to criticize those who would drive businesses away by raising their operating costs. That's cutting off one's own nose to spite their face. Now, in DC there will be fewer jobs, higher prices, and people will have to travel farther to get what they want at the prices they want.

Just my humble opinion. (Oh who am I kidding? I'm never humble.)

GBU all,

Gavin


bijou624

7/13/2013 11:01 am

Hi Leafy: It sounds like the government in D.C. is penalizing Wal-Mart. Look at all the jobs they would have created. A 50% increase in the minimum wage is going to affect all employers, not just Wal-Mart. I wonder if the government will raise the minimum wage even though Wal-Mart won't come to D.C. now?


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 8:42 pm

    Quoting BobbiH77021:
    Quote: "Unfortunately, governments and laws can't change the fact that each person or group of people will ONLY continue to operate at those methods that produce adequate results. For companies to survive, they need to profit. Raise their costs, and they'll go out of business. Or decide not to go into business. Or move their business."

    You are buying into the failed economic policy of conservatives, by and large. There is another alternative that you fail to recognize. Walmart, and companies like Walmart, could simply maintain their competitive position through better business management. A good case in point is the comparison between Costco and Walmart. Costco is not failing in spite of paying a decent wage. All Walmart accomplishes by paying starvation wages is either greater profitability or laziness in the management of their business.
I'm not buying into any economic policy. Just stating a fact about human nature. "Economic policies" are government practices. Business policies are what individuals and business organizations follow. And they follow them because the are true, and work. They work, because they don't try to change human nature. Instead, the use it in a way that optimizes benefits to the sellers, and in the process, they are able to optimize benefits to the buyers thru competitive pricing.

Would you suggest the government start telling people they can't refuse to stop pursuing a living as they choose? I say that would be governmental slavery. If Walmart chooses not to be in business in DC, anywhere else, or if they want to close down completely, the government couldn't really stop them, unless the government enslaves them. You really haven't thought this all the way thru.

Walmart is already doing "better business management." They are allocating their resources to optimize their gains. That's what businesses do.

And everyone who works is a business in and of themselves. We either sell what we produce, or what services we can perform, and/or our time. (I sold my labor, for 30 years. I only had one customer, and I kept providing my services all that time because they were willing to pay me what I wanted for it, and I was willing to work for what they would pay.) If you seek a job at a company that refuses to pay what you want, then you need to move your product (labor) to another buyer, or find another product or service to provide that people or companies are willing to pay what you want for it.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 8:44 pm

    Quoting  :

I think you're right. But it doesn't appear to me that Walmart is in business to get sympathy heart strings. My guess is they'd prefer money.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 9:07 pm

    Quoting alpinemeadow:
    "It'll go on because every human being wants to acquire more than they were born with. And they don't stop at the bare necessities. They are always looking to improve their lot in life, and thus they want more stuff."

    This statement is not true.....Let me guess....You are leaping to this conclusion based on your own greed and that of your family, friends, church, political party........the assumptions of greed....the resulting cancer we call progress that is eating away at the life of planet Earth........
I limited my comments to "stuff" because I didn't want confuse the issue with philosophy or psychology. But I admit that by limiting it so, you have a valid criticism.

However, there are no true altruists. Every instant of your life you are hoping to obtain something. That "something" may be ethereal, or bring you a sense of well being for example. Or pride. Or love and respect from your fellow man, or the same from your God. Or to set a good example for your children. Etc, etc, etc. But such things are nonetheless a form of wealth you seek. Just like others seek material things, you perceive that those intangible things will enhance your life. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to obtain them.

Don't think you have a monopoly on ethics and compassion. And don't assume that compassion will feed the hungry or house the homeless. Both of those require some application of material resources. Otherwise you may look good to others, but you only stroke your own ego and are otherwise useless.

The best thing that any of us can do for the poor, hungry or downtrodden, is to NOT BE ONE OF THEM. And if all I succeed at doing is to prosper myself, the spinoff benefit to the downtrodden is that some of that wealth is available for them to acquire from me by selling or trading their product or service. (And in reality, due to the fact that charities exist, (which happen to be funded mostly by conservatives and Republicans,) institutions are in place that the less fortunate may receive some wealth from.

What you call "poor" in America, are doing vastly better than those at the bottom of 3rd world countries. And I just explained why.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 9:09 pm

    Quoting bigblock:
    I was under the impression that the anointed one, the Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama was going to snap his fingers and miraculously the sea levels would go back to normal and jobs would be plentiful. You mean he lied. Its real simple if one does not like the wages that Wal-Mart pays, DON'T GO TO WORK THERE. If Costco pays better then that's where one needs to be working.
I agree.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/13/2013 9:13 pm

Sorry Leaf. I didn't intend to monopolize your blog, but I got hammered by more than I'd anticipated.

I assume you and I disagree on this topic, but thanks for an interesting blog.

GBU,

Gavin