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Ruffandready2 77M
156 posts
6/1/2013 8:37 am
We saved them didn't we.


One thing that I have observed from the lint balls on the right is that, when it came to the ill fated and conceived Iraq war and confronted with the irrefutable proof that Bush (the shrub as some like to call him) lied us into one of the greatest affronts to human dignity with an attending loss of life, we through our illegal war saved the people. The following speaks to the error of that way of thinking.

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BAGHDAD -- The United Nations mission to Iraq said Saturday that more than 1,000 people were killed in violence across the country last month – the highest monthly death toll in years.

Violence has increased sharply in Iraq over the past two months, with bombings in civilian areas growing more frequent as fears grow that widespread sectarian conflict may once again break out in the country. The bloodshed has accelerated since a deadly April 23 crackdown by security forces on a Sunni protest in the northern town of Hawija.

The UN figures showed that 1,045 civilians and security personnel were killed in May. That surpassed the 712 killed in April, the deadliest month recorded since June 2008.

UN envoy Martin Kobler called the figures "a sad record."

"Iraqi political leaders must act immediately to stop this intolerable bloodshed," he said in a statement.

More than half of those killed were in the greater Baghdad area. Car bombs and other explosives were responsible for the bulk of the casualties across the country. Authorities on Friday imposed a sweeping ban on cars bearing common temporary license plates across the Iraqi capital in an apparent effort to thwart car bombings.

Tallies of Iraqi casualties have long been the subject of debate, and the UN total is considerably higher than that reported by news agencies in the country. The Associated Press counted at least 578 Iraqis killed in May, based on reports from Iraqi officials.

The UN says its totals are based on direct investigation and accounts from credible outside sources. They are conservative and may under-report the actual numbers of those killed, according to the UN.

Iraqi authorities believe the local offshoot of al-Qaida and other Sunni-backed militant groups are responsible for much of the violence. But a series of attacks on Sunni mosques that have left more than 100 dead in recent weeks is raising concerns that Shiite militants are also behind some of the violence.

Iraq witnessed its deadliest bout of violence between 2006 and 2007, when the country was on the brink of civil war and armed men roamed the streets of Baghdad. At the peak of the sectarian bloodshed between Shiite and Sunnis, more than 3,000 were being killed every month.

While the killing remains far below levels seen last decade, Iraqis are growing increasingly concerned about the surge in unrest.

"People are now more cautious and more shops are closing earlier in my neighborhood," said Thabit Sultan Ahmed, 42, a teacher from the Sunni neighborhood of Saydiyah in western Baghdad. "The main obsession of all Iraqi people now is how to survive the violence, not about thinking about their rights or demands."

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Meanwhile sources recently reported that Bush (the shrub), by his own words, was at peace. How can that be? This guy sent over 4,000 Americans to untimely deaths and in the process caused the murder of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis and he is at peace!!! Bush is apparently devoid of a conscience and he has such strong sociopathic tendencies as to require the balance of his lifetime be spent in a mental asylum.


Ruffandready2 77M

6/1/2013 1:47 pm

    Quoting  :

Yes, you are correct. I am sure that the Iraqi people never considered using their oil resources to pay for the war damage that we visited on them.


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
6/1/2013 3:52 pm

Wow! You're absolutely right!

That's why I am not going to vote for Bush.

GBU,

Gavin


Ruffandready2 77M

6/1/2013 7:40 pm

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Wow! You're absolutely right!

    That's why I am not going to vote for Bush.

    GBU,

    Gavin
The question more appropriately is did you ever vote for Bush? I can answer that in my case I never voted for the guy...especially after he lied us into war.


Rocketship 80F
18568 posts
6/2/2013 5:55 am

It's reminiscent of the sectarian violence that took place in Ireland.

Two forms of the Christian religion were used as an excuse to manipulate the general public, when the underlying reason for the violence was a fight over power/politics.

It's exactly what is going on in Iraq..... sighhhhh.


Ruffandready2 77M

6/2/2013 9:05 am

    Quoting Rocketship:
    It's reminiscent of the sectarian violence that took place in Ireland.

    Two forms of the Christian religion were used as an excuse to manipulate the general public, when the underlying reason for the violence was a fight over power/politics.

    It's exactly what is going on in Iraq..... sighhhhh.

While I have never supported Sadaam Hussein, I do believe that he did provide a stabilizing influence to the sectarian violence that we later observed when Bush's invasion destabilized that country.


Rentier1

6/2/2013 9:44 am

Just shows how uncivilized and incapable of good governance those Arab tribes are.

The US spent billions of dollars and thousands of American lives to bring peace, democracy, and western technology to Iraq.

And look what they have done with all that help.

America need to stop trying to saving these countries from their own incompetence.


Ruffandready2 77M

6/2/2013 10:47 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Just shows how uncivilized and incapable of good governance those Arab tribes are.

    The US spent billions of dollars and thousands of American lives to bring peace, democracy, and western technology to Iraq.

    And look what they have done with all that help.

    America need to stop trying to saving these countries from their own incompetence.
I think that the greater fault and one that we can address is the incredible arrogance that America has when the purport to have the answer for all of the world's problems.

Do I think that Americans are ready to face this trait within themselves? About as much chance as a snowball in hades.


bijou624

6/2/2013 11:13 am

Hi Ruff: And then the Repubs blame President Obama for the deficit??


Ruffandready2 77M

6/2/2013 1:36 pm

    Quoting bijou624:
    Hi Ruff: And then the Repubs blame President Obama for the deficit??
Yes, it would be ruinous for them to admit that the two wars that Bush started without funding while cutting taxes could have anything to with the state of our deficit.


Rocketship 80F
18568 posts
6/2/2013 1:49 pm

It was very unfortunate for many(Iraqis & military), that America and some of its allies got fooled into invading Iraq.

Although a number of countries are dictatorships, at least in some of those countries there is some stability and the average citizens can raise their families in relative safety. I think that sometimes a case can be made for benevolent dictatorships.

Is it the best? No...but certainly better than what is going on there now.


Ruffandready2 77M

6/2/2013 10:40 pm

    Quoting Rocketship:
    It was very unfortunate for many(Iraqis & military), that America and some of its allies got fooled into invading Iraq.

    Although a number of countries are dictatorships, at least in some of those countries there is some stability and the average citizens can raise their families in relative safety. I think that sometimes a case can be made for benevolent dictatorships.

    Is it the best? No...but certainly better than what is going on there now.

Absolutely true. We invaded the country on the basis of lies. Destabilized their society. Destroyed a good portion of their infrastructure (remember the time that they were not able to get water for drinking, let alone bathing...or the time when there was inadequate and no expectation of basic electric service).

Remind me what this was supposed to accomplish. Ohh...it was because of the magical mysterious WMD. Those WMDs that apparently had the ability to shape shift and disappear mysteriously.


Rentier1

6/4/2013 7:32 am

    Quoting Ruffandready2:
    Absolutely true. We invaded the country on the basis of lies. Destabilized their society. Destroyed a good portion of their infrastructure (remember the time that they were not able to get water for drinking, let alone bathing...or the time when there was inadequate and no expectation of basic electric service).

    Remind me what this was supposed to accomplish. Ohh...it was because of the magical mysterious WMD. Those WMDs that apparently had the ability to shape shift and disappear mysteriously.

Yes, but it was done for the right reasons.


Rentier1

6/4/2013 7:35 am

    Quoting Ruffandready2:
    I think that the greater fault and one that we can address is the incredible arrogance that America has when the purport to have the answer for all of the world's problems.

    Do I think that Americans are ready to face this trait within themselves? About as much chance as a snowball in hades.

And who will save the world if the US opts out of its God-given role and right to police the globe?

If the USA hadn`t defeated the Nazis, I would be speaking German today, if they hadn`t sent me up a chimney under their racial policies.


Ruffandready2 77M

6/4/2013 9:46 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Yes, but it was done for the right reasons.
Have you ever heard that the road to hell is paved with good intentions?


Ruffandready2 77M

6/4/2013 9:46 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    And who will save the world if the US opts out of its God-given role and right to police the globe?

    If the USA hadn`t defeated the Nazis, I would be speaking German today, if they hadn`t sent me up a chimney under their racial policies.
I figure that it is time for another country to step forward. Maybe Haiti?