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GavinLS2 64M
1175 posts
4/1/2019 9:52 pm
For those interested in pondering God


Hi folks!

Just felt in the mood to share some thoughts I've had about God over the years. I believe God exists, and I believe God both created and continues to interact with the universe. But as to some of the more common concepts of God, no matter how orthodox or Biblically (or other holy book) based they may be, I don't think any of us can fully comprehend Him. (I use the traditional masculine pronoun simply for convenience and my aversion to useless political correctness.)

And I suppose it applies even to atheists, who have a concept, even tho they reject it. In their case I can't argue against their logic. Their concept is limited to what they've heard from others, who only have a limited ability to conceive of Him themselves, and in that light they may be wise to reject it I think.

But, I think how we define, describe, and conceive of God in our minds is limited to the limitations of our minds. I think on the question of God, mankind is analogous to a single-celled protozoa trying to grasp and explain the Space Shuttle. I believe God must be so far beyond us in His comprehension we can never (certainly not in this lifetime) fully grasp or understand him.

Today, some theoretical physicists postulate the universe may be a living organism. would imply it possesses will. Other physicists have proven the existence of the Higgs-Boson particle, which seems to pop in and out of existence randomly.

I've come to feel at this point, God is the universe, and God is existence. The force in or of the universe which is the only thing capable of existing by it's own volition, or for causing something to exist. For now, 's the best capable of conceiving Him to be. (Ironically, it was only later I recalled the stories in Exodus in which God is reported to have called Himself "I AM ".)

Oh well. It's stuff like this makes a heretic among my fellow Christians. LOL

Just some idle thoughts, so thanks for reading and I'd be interested in whatever comments folks may have.

GBU all,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/1/2019 9:57 pm

For my purposes here, there are no right or wrong comments ppl can make so long as they stay respective of others whose views they may or may not share.

If u belittle someone or their beliefs, there' a fair possibility I may delete ur comments, or alternatively I may let ur comments stand but not defend u from the attacks u'll get from others.

GBU all,

Gavin


kneedtwoplease 64M
1067 posts
4/1/2019 10:20 pm

Thank You for your aversion to useless political correctness. Either Atheist or Evangelical, I think there is a natural tendency in all of us to either 'be God' ourselves, or to 'act for God' ourselves


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/1/2019 11:35 pm

    Quoting kneedtwoplease:
    Thank You for your aversion to useless political correctness. Either Atheist or Evangelical, I think there is a natural tendency in all of us to either 'be God' ourselves, or to 'act for God' ourselves
I think that's true most of the time.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 replies on 4/1/2019 11:42 pm:
BTW, Evangelicals are only one form of Christianity. Not all Christians are Evangelicals.

GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/2/2019 3:23 am

    Quoting  :

LOL! I fail to see the connection, but TY for commenting!

GBU,

Gavin


bijou649 70F
527 posts
4/2/2019 6:42 am

Hi Gavin: I am not a believer, and I hope I would never accidentally say something to make a believer into a non-believer. In spite of my intellectual reasons for not believing, I still hope there is a God and a Heaven and that all this suffering and death we have to endure will not be for nothing. Even though I don't believe, when my mother was in a coma and slowly dying of cancer, I prayed to God that she wouldn't have to suffer any longer.


Pattistuff46 72F

4/2/2019 7:01 am

I have always believed in "GOD". But after I had an experience in Church back in 1975, I became convinced that "HE" exists. I am not a member of any organized religion at this point in time, but do attend (or watch online) one of my favorite (local) churches. I have also acquired a gift or rather a sixth sense and I have a spiritual connection that guides me. I recognized it when I was in my early twenties but really paid no attention to it until after I had a near death experience in my late thirties.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4115 posts
4/2/2019 9:19 am

    Quoting  :

u and I may disagree but this is the best I have read to explain this.

great blog.

as you say party on sir

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


maggie052 67F
71 posts
4/2/2019 10:51 am

I was raised in a church that also believed a baby had to be baptized to rid the sins of the father . It may have been the parents but I don’t remember
Them saying anything but “sins of the father”.
Like the woman in your story I don’t believe a baby is born with sin.

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, – Winston Churchill


maggie052 67F
71 posts
4/2/2019 11:37 am

Yes some of things taught in church are bizarre . Although some things in church have changed since I was a child the baptism has stayed the same .
I have not attended church as an adult . I don’t know. If I believe in God or not but I know when troubles come my first thought is Oh God , Help me
.
Perhaps this was instilled in me from my childhood in church .
I like to think there is a higher power . But I just don’t know .

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, – Winston Churchill


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/2/2019 2:06 pm

    Quoting  :

Interesting. But obviously the preacher knew very little about the Baptist Confessions of Faith (what other denominations would refer to as their creed) No Baptist minister would say such a thing about an infant. According to Baptist doctrine, even tho mankind is born into sin, until a child reaches an age of accountability and can think and decide for themselves about right and wrong, they are in no need of Baptism.

The original Baptist movement was established for that very reason, under the belief that for Baptism to truly benefit the person, they must be old enough to know what they are doing, and only then is Baptism necessary and effective.

But I've read both your comments today, and haven't seen anything about your concept of God. I didn't write this blog entry to either debate, criticize, or support religion. That's something people are free to choose for themselves. So I'm curious: What's your concept of God? Have you given it much thought? Can u put it into words?

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/2/2019 2:12 pm

    Quoting  :

You read much into my post and comment that isn't there.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/2/2019 2:21 pm

    Quoting  :

In my earlier responses to you I forgot to mention that I admire your independent thinking and willingness to question things rather than take them on blind faith.

I'm that same way.

GBU,

Gavin


sparkleflit 71F
4729 posts
4/3/2019 10:55 am

"And I suppose it applies even to atheists, who have a concept, even tho they reject it. In their case I can't argue against their logic. Their concept is limited to what they've heard from others, who only have a limited ability to conceive of Him themselves, and in that light they may be wise to reject it I think."

I find this paragraph extremely odd. Atheism isn't about rejecting their concept of God........It's a non-acceptance of any concept of God. It's the rejection of Magical Thinking. There is only the natural world.......A wonderful, amazing world that has no need for Supernatural phenomena to enhance it.......


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 12:54 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    "And I suppose it applies even to atheists, who have a concept, even tho they reject it. In their case I can't argue against their logic. Their concept is limited to what they've heard from others, who only have a limited ability to conceive of Him themselves, and in that light they may be wise to reject it I think."

    I find this paragraph extremely odd. Atheism isn't about rejecting their concept of God........It's a non-acceptance of any concept of God. It's the rejection of Magical Thinking. There is only the natural world.......A wonderful, amazing world that has no need for Supernatural phenomena to enhance it.......
But non-acceptance is a rejection.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 1:07 pm

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    But non-acceptance is a rejection.

    GBU,

    Gavin
Maybe this will make it clearer. What you consider "magical thinking" is nonetheless a concept. U've heard others describe their beliefs and you have considered it enough to decide that it is "magical thinking". Very different from the original person's interpretation, but a concept nonetheless. Tho I don't share that interpretation, I can't fault you for coming to that conclusion. I think it's something every person should decide for themselves.

GBU,

Gavin


sparkleflit 71F
4729 posts
4/3/2019 4:10 pm

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Maybe this will make it clearer. What you consider "magical thinking" is nonetheless a concept. U've heard others describe their beliefs and you have considered it enough to decide that it is "magical thinking". Very different from the original person's interpretation, but a concept nonetheless. Tho I don't share that interpretation, I can't fault you for coming to that conclusion. I think it's something every person should decide for themselves.

    GBU,

    Gavin
In order to communicate abstract thought, we need to classify and name it......that's what a concept is......a cluster of abstractions.........Magical thinking is a concept that has no basis in practical reality. It's veracity cannot be demonstrated. Basically, it's a lie. The concept of God....any God, is a being that operates outside the laws of nature. Basically, a super-hero. Humans have concocted thousands of versions of this........

There is a fundamental difference between rejecting the concept of "God" and not subscribing to the basic concept of a super-natural reality.

Analogous, perhaps, to the difference between not subscribing to any newspapers and subscribing to them all and then discarding them.....


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 4:49 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    In order to communicate abstract thought, we need to classify and name it......that's what a concept is......a cluster of abstractions.........Magical thinking is a concept that has no basis in practical reality. It's veracity cannot be demonstrated. Basically, it's a lie. The concept of God....any God, is a being that operates outside the laws of nature. Basically, a super-hero. Humans have concocted thousands of versions of this........

    There is a fundamental difference between rejecting the concept of "God" and not subscribing to the basic concept of a super-natural reality.

    Analogous, perhaps, to the difference between not subscribing to any newspapers and subscribing to them all and then discarding them.....
Nonetheless, you admit that the concept exists. You acknowledge the existence of the concept even though u reject its veracity. Therefore, I still say you hold a concept of God, even though your concept is vastly different from the one(s) many others ascribe to.

I'm not criticizing you for not believing God exists. In fact I'm not criticizing you at all. I feel the same way you do about Santa Clause. I just admit that even though I don't believe Santa Clause exists, I nonetheless have a concept of him.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 7:53 pm

Thanks everyone for sharing. I'm done with this blog entry now. Had a few more comments but some folks had become hostile and disrespectful of others so I deleted them. I just wasn't in the mood to get into a stupid fight about the topic.

But thanks again folks, and GBU all!

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 8:02 pm

In fairness to one person who commented here, I should mention that I agree one can compare a belief in God to a belief in Santa Clause. I simply choose to believe in one and not the other. And like all free people, I'm under no obligation to be consistent in anything. But I respect that others don't share my views, and I don't demean the views of others who disagree with my views.

GBU all,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/3/2019 8:17 pm

    Quoting  :

While wrapping up this thread, I reviewed some earlier comments and now realize that my initial comment to you regarding the Baptist preacher may have sounded like I was calling you a liar. That was not my intent and I apologize if it came across that way. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy and ignorance of the man calling himself a Baptist preacher.

Thanks and GBU,

Gavin


sparkleflit 71F
4729 posts
4/5/2019 10:47 am

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Nonetheless, you admit that the concept exists. You acknowledge the existence of the concept even though u reject its veracity. Therefore, I still say you hold a concept of God, even though your concept is vastly different from the one(s) many others ascribe to.

    I'm not criticizing you for not believing God exists. In fact I'm not criticizing you at all. I feel the same way you do about Santa Clause. I just admit that even though I don't believe Santa Clause exists, I nonetheless have a concept of him.

    GBU,

    Gavin

Yes, of course God is a concept.......many concepts......a mercurial concept that is ever changing according to the desires of the Humans who are conceiving and harbouring the concept........Nothing but an abstract thought pattern in people's brains......not an actual being who has power in the physical world.......


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/6/2019 2:50 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yes, of course God is a concept.......many concepts......a mercurial concept that is ever changing according to the desires of the Humans who are conceiving and harbouring the concept........Nothing but an abstract thought pattern in people's brains......not an actual being who has power in the physical world.......
Thanks for respectfully sharing your views.

GBU,

Gavin


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/6/2019 3:56 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yes, of course God is a concept.......many concepts......a mercurial concept that is ever changing according to the desires of the Humans who are conceiving and harbouring the concept........Nothing but an abstract thought pattern in people's brains......not an actual being who has power in the physical world.......
BTW, in my initial response above, I signed off with my usual GBU. If that bothers you, please let me know and I'll try to remember not to do it when I comment to u.

Thanks,

Gavin