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Hi Skariff! Thanks for this comment! I think you and I are much more in agreement than might be apparent to many folks. I ESPECIALLY like the second paragraph! GBU, Gavin
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rentier, it's like this..... Prior to the United states there were thirteen colonies, no central government, the colonies created the central government for the benefit of each colony. After seventy years it became evident to the Southern states that the federal government no longer believed in each states power to self rule. It took seventy years for the federal government to whittle the power away until the states realized that as individual states they would have no power of self determination. The federal government used it's power of laws, regulations and taxation to circumvent the power the states had known for seventy years. With the growing population of the northern states and the growing population of the West being controlled by the northern states it was quite evident that southern self determination was soon to become a thing of the past. Slavery was certainly one of the issues of self determination, However, it wasn't the only issue. it was the whistle of the teapot...but not the boiling water. Very well explained. GBU, Gavin
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Rentier, Only a small portion of the population of the south were slave owners, yet the south was fully behind the idea that whether or not you were for slavery or against it, that each state had to have the right and power to choose for themselves. The war fought so that the northern states couldn't dictate to the southern states, whatever they would deem appropriate or inappropriate. The divisions that existed between the north and the south was far deeper than just the slave issue GBU, Gavin
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8/6/2013 6:59 am |
Rentier, Only a small portion of the population of the south were slave owners, yet the south was fully behind the idea that whether or not you were for slavery or against it, that each state had to have the right and power to choose for themselves. The war fought so that the northern states couldn't dictate to the southern states, whatever they would deem appropriate or inappropriate. The divisions that existed between the north and the south was far deeper than just the slave issue Non owners could derive economic benefits from slavery as well. Plus, I suspect, the tenor of the times dictated that slavery was the natural order of things. A more important criterion would be the percentage of southerners who supported slavery.
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Gavin, The reason people here can't see real issues of the civil war is because they live in today's world, not the world of 1776 or 1850. For example South Carolinian fought the Revolutionary war, not for America(it didn't exist), they fought the revolution so they could self govern South Carolina. They fought the Civil war for the exact same reason. To them they simply traded the king of England for the President of the United States. It was quite evident at the time that the South wanted no part of the Northern industrial complex, and they certainly did not try and impact their views on the North. It was the North that try to impact their views on the South. Slavery was one of the issues, for the abolitionists it was the only issue, they spoke the loudest and carried the biggest stick. History, then as now, will always take the side of those that yell the loudest when they get their way.
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skariff, I guess it is possible that the slave owners, much like some of conservatives, pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and got them to give up their homes and their lives so that slavery could continue. If a good portion of the South was a dumb as a fence post, I guess it's possible. Hopefully, we're not that dumb today. I have no doubt that the impact on cotton and from the north and the federal government was as much negative in regards to financing, taxation, and trade agreements as it was with the slavery issue. The South not only want to decide how to grow their cotton, but how to finance it, sell it, trade it, and tax it. I don't believe anyone disagrees that slavery was one of the issues. It was an issue that had the most fervent opponents, it had right on it's side, and it became single issue of the civil war that ended up being resolved. Yet even with all those factors, I seriously doubt that very many fought the Civil war for the sole issue of continuing or ending slavery.
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