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Christianity and Homosexuality I was inspired to write this in response to the violence over gays and anti-gay Christians in Seattle yesterday. Just some personal thoughts I wanted to share. Not trying to push my religion on anyone, but I'd like to point something out to both Christians and Gays. I've read the Bible cover to cover numerous times. And I've also read all the still existing ancient Hebrew and Christian writings that were never incorporated into the Canon. I don't recall Jesus ever discussing homosexuality. That was other scribes of the times, some voicing God's opinion as prophets, and some just entering their own views. Now, I'm not saying homosexuality is not a sin, but it's only one among many. True, in some passages it is described as an "abomination" but that same word could be applied to any sin. According to Jesus, there is only one unpardonable sin: Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. If we are going to place a dividing line between Christianity and any other group, then we should be careful not to include ANY sins. EVERYONE is a sinner! As Christians, our first priority should be to share God's love. We don't need to change people first! Instead of telling people they have to change themselves, first tell them to change their hearts to being open to Christ. Then let HIM make any changes that HE wants, and in HIS own time! This sounds like I'm solely down on my fellow Christians, but I'm not done. Gays need to understand that Jesus Christ is willing to accept anyone, and just because SOME Christians want to fixate on the behaviors of others, does NOT mean that all Christians are condemning you! So don't try to act like they ALL are! So here's my point to both groups: There is no reason why a homosexual cannot be a Christian too. I don't know how the majority feels, but many of us Christians would have NO problem if you gays wanted to worship in our church. That wouldn't mean we approve, but that wouldn't mean we condemn either! We'd extend Christian love, and let God do His work in you. GBU all, Gavin |
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7/9/2013 7:32 am |
I would like to see you write a blog on 'Christianity And Slavery' citing the Holy Book.
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7/9/2013 7:38 am |
Hi Gav: Interesting thoughts on this subject. I'm not a Christian, nor do I believe in any Gods, but if Jesus really existed then I don't think he would care what other people did in their bedrooms. I don't see why anyone would care what another person's s*xual preference is as it doesn't affect them.
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As I so often have suggested for you Knx, you may find it helpful to read before you comment. GBU, Gavin
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Wow....this is why you are one of my favorite bloggers. I really struggle with this issue Gavin. I also believe that you are right in that Jesus did not discuss this. When it comes to the Prophets it helps me to more closely label them, either True, or False. There is one exchange in the Bible where a King complained that one Prophet always delivered bad news. I'm so sorry, I just can't get the names right at the moment. Anyway, the interesting part was that the prophets who always told the King what he wanted to hear where also on his payroll. This made a profound impact on my own life. I am still working very hard to figure it all out, hopefully before the end of my life. I want to make sure my children get it. I do not find comfort with your point to both groups. That is not to say I withhold Christian love. Hmmm, perhaps I agree with you more than I thought. Like I said, I struggle with this issue. This is not an issue of science with me. Many would be appalled by that view and yet, that is where I continue to find discomfort. As a lifestyle choice I have mixed emotions as well. I can grasp such a choice, primarily on psychological grounds, but struggle beyond that. That is not condemnation. That may be as far as I ever get with this issue. I can't argue with you. I have to admit that much of what I typed here was my opinion. Tho we may disagree on some things here, thanks for a thoughtful non-judgmental response. GBU, Gavin
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Thanks Freeway! You get it! GBU, Gavin
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Here, I like your response to Leaf. GBU, Gavin
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God, sin, the Holy Ghost, the Bible and anything connected to them are all MAN made...nothing more, nothing less, and not to be taken seriously. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if all this who-haw regarding homosexuality is really a cover up for latent homosexual tendencies by those who continually write about it...and there are quite a few of you on this site. I deleted your first post, but only because I think you forgot to, and because it was simply the first sentence of your second post, which I'm responding to here. I won't argue about your opinion of where the Christian religion came from. Because I can't prove you to be wrong. Whether one believes or not is a personal choice, and I won't criticize or condemn anyone for their selection. But I'm not sure about there being much "who-haw." I haven't seen homosexuality discussed much in here, but I don't spend as much time in the blogs as I used to, so maybe you're right. Altho I'm wondering why you used the pronoun "you" when you made your final statement? Are you saying that I personally have brought it up much? Or are you saying SFF conservatives in general have? As for me, tho I feel it's immoral, it's not my place to condemn gays, and I have a long history of disavowing abuse aimed at them. GBU, Gavin
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I would like to see you write a blog on 'Christianity And Slavery' citing the Holy Book. But why would you want me to write about it? I'm not a Fundamentalist, so I have no problem rejecting some parts of the Bible. As far as I know, the Bible acknowledges slavery, and doesn't condemn it, but it doesn't advocate for it either. Also, there is much evidence to suggest that slavery in those places and times was not necessarily a permanent thing among Jews, and I have no recollection of any Christians in the Bible known to have owned slaves. I did a quick search of the KJV and the word "slave" is not even in it. But "servant" is frequent. Maybe NASB has more? Sorry I wasn't more help. It's just that the topic is mentioned but seldom debated in the Bible. GBU, Gavin
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Hi Gav: Interesting thoughts on this subject. I'm not a Christian, nor do I believe in any Gods, but if Jesus really existed then I don't think he would care what other people did in their bedrooms. I don't see why anyone would care what another person's s*xual preference is as it doesn't affect them. I agree. Well, with some clarification: Of course Christ cared about sin, but I don't believe he OBSESSED about it. I may differ from many Christians, but I just cannot believe He would have been so foolish as to think mortals were capable of stopping all sinning, whether it was public or private. I feel He would have encouraged people to STRIVE not to sin, but in His heart he forgave them in advance because He knew they would still sin sometimes. My blog here today, is an attempt to both challenge groups who advocate hate for gays, and to challenge gays to think beyond what SOME Christians interpret the Bible to mean on the subject of how to treat those who are different. Thanks for commenting and GBU, Gavin
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Folks, I guess my main concern for writing this blog, was to let gays know that they are NOT closed off from seeking Christ, no matter what some Christians may tell them. Those Christians who demand that they change before they seek Jesus, are grossly mistaken. Gays are free to seek Jesus, and if they are sincere He will come into their hearts and lives. Everyone needs numerous changes, and He will make those changes in people as He best sees fit, and in His own time. He may not complete all the changes while they are still in this lifetime. I refuse to tell anyone they are not good enough or ready to seek Jesus, because I know for myself that I could never have come to Him if I'd had to wait till I was perfect. And He's still not finished making changes in me. (Point being that He may NEVER change one's sexual orientation in this lifetime! But after judgment, rest assured you will be forgiven and sinless before you enter Heaven.) GBU all, Gavin
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"Didn't like it?" Nope. I enjoyed it. You never cease to amuse me. I really think you should find some other interests tho. Maybe a hobby? You obsess over me much more than is healthy for you. GBU, Gavin
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Here, I like your response to Leaf. GBU, Gavin Somehow I typed Leaf when I should have typed Freeway in my comment to knx about her comment to Freeway. (Did I say that right? LO  Sorry if there was confusion. GBU all, Gavin
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What does homosexuality have to do with belief in a deity? Gays have existed since the very beginning of the human species as such and can even be found among "lower" mamals. What's all the fuss about?
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Just to qualify my use of the word 'You'...... you brought the subject up, you are part of a group of conservative religious right wing radicals that often bring the subject up, so you are all collectively a part of 'you'! Interesting. GBU, Gavin
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What does homosexuality have to do with belief in a deity? Gays have existed since the very beginning of the human species as such and can even be found among "lower" mamals. What's all the fuss about? GBU, Gavin
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See my response below
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The Holy Ghost?????Seriously????.....I don't think you can imagine how idiotic it sounds......to anyone but a Christian......and how incredibly judgmental and egotistical and really perverse that you have taken it upon yourself to decide that "Gays are free to seek Jesus".....Well, Halleluja!!!!!!.....Just the fact that this would even enter your mind as an issue only demonstrates your perversion......
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To Alpine and Knx Had either of you actually read my original post here with an effort to comprehend it, rather than seeking desperately to try to find something to attack me for, YOU WOULD HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT THE MAIN THRUST OF MY BLOG HERE IS IN DEFENSE OF GAYS!!! Most everyone else understood it. You two were the only ones too blinded by your hate for me to think clearly. Once again you have made fools of yourselves by ranting before you THINK! GBU, Gavin
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LOLOL! I came here today thinking I'd have another routine day of deleting comments from trouble makers! Thanks for being wonderful and GBU! Gavin
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Wow, what a thought that God the Father, and the Messiah, did not openly condemn homosexuality. There are TWO SPIRITUAL NATURES in men. This is what the Two Trees are about in the Garden. This is why we see Cain and Abel. CAIN was of Satan's Seed, ABEL was of God the Father's seed. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, is descriptive of "Satan's Seed". The "Tree of Life" is descriptive of Yahweh's Seed. CAIN was born first, because darkness always has to come first: "And DARKNESS was upon the face of the deep. And God said, "let there be light". "And the EVENING and the MORNING were the first day." There is a DARK TREE in men, and the LIGHT TREE in men. So, for this man to state that Jesus did not teach about homosexuals, is in great error. Did Jesus have to say, "homosexuals", to teach about them? No! He taught about many subjects, by teaching about the Two Trees and the fruits. One is DARK NATURE [false wisdom] and one is LIGHT NATURE [real wisdom]. Jesus constantly taught about the TWO TREES, and the TWO natures in men: "YOU [YHWH'S Seed] will know THEM [Satan's Seed] by their fruit: "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7:17-20 Paul would write on these two fruits in Galatians. Galatians 5:19-21 are the fruits of Satan's Seed, and Galatians 5:22-23 Homosexuality is clearly against the wisdom of contrast and parables which are scattered throughout the creation, because it is not "a parable". MAN & WOMAN are contrasting mechanisms of wisdom. Homosexuals are the antithesis of wisdom for homosexuals cannot reproduce in and of themselves. Therefore they are of the DEAD TREE, no fruit. We see these parables, or proverbs written if throughout the scripture because man cannot comprehend anything without contrasting mechanisms to assist his mind. Man needs to be able to comprehend the proportion known as UP to be able to comprehend the proportion known as DOWN, and EAST for WEST, NORTH for SOUTH... Here are other examples: DARKNESS-LIGHT HATE-LOVE WAR-PEACE REND-SEW BEFORE-BEHIND IN-OUT ABOVE-BELOW HOT-COLD WET-DRY NEGATIVE-POSITIVE RIGHTEOUSNESS-UNRIGHTEOUSNESS MALE - FEMALE Oh, yes, Jesus did constantly teach on the wickedness of sin, and homosexuality, some just do not know how to hear the Master's Voice - "The Word!" Here is one scripture in closing which defines the succinct delineation in men's spiritual natures: Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice!" Some men will HEAR His voice, Some men will not, because they are spiritually DEAF!" Just as some are born with SIGHT, some are born BLIND.. To hear His Voice is to be healed of the inability to HEAR. Shalom~ If you go back and read my original blog entry, you'll find that nowhere did I ever say homosexuality was not a sin. What I'm saying here, is that sinners can be Christians too. In fact, we all are. GBU, Gavin
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Hi Rainbow Yes, I agree that many would disagree with me. I wrote this to challenge those Christians who would deny people guilty of one type of sin to worship in the church, while allowing others guilty of different types of sin. I just don't believe that's how Jesus would have acted. GBU, Gavin
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Hi Countryman Thanks for your thoughtful response! You and I are on the same page. Thanks for commenting and GBU, Gavin
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Totally insane. GBU, Gavin
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Oh, and one more thing. The writer of this post, stated that he was "INSPIRED": "I was inspired to write this in response to the violence over gays and anti-gay Christians in Seattle yesterday." The term/word "INSPIRED" is derived from two words IN and SPIRED, which means "breathed into". Here we see this term used in the scripture: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;" 2 Tim 3:16 Who "INSPIRED", or breathed these comments against the Word of God, into this man, into this tree? Shalom~ You possess a little bit of knowledge. That can be a dangerous thing. GBU, Gavin
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