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Skariff2 66M
4135 posts
12/13/2018 2:57 pm
They still don't get it


I remain unaware of all that's known by Robert Mueller in his ongoing investigation. Therefore, I remain unaware of where this journey is headed. However, the last couple of days has been enlightening beyond words and furthers my suspicions that the ongoing investigation is far more revealing than anyone here can fathom. The righties here are loathe to admit, however, the president may be up to his eyeballs in a quagmire from which escape is becoming less and less likely.

It's amazing to realize the information we are now learning for the first time has been known by Mr. Mueller for some time. Logic tells us this. The investigation would have been over months ago is there was little or no evidence warranting its continuance. Yet the right wing investigative geniuses refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing because it doesn't fit into their right/wrong, black/white world. They ask for hard and fast evidence of which we are unaware and it surpasses the limits of their understanding of the obvious. There are dichotomies galore here but the most blatant is the vehement desire for "the wall" to keep out the drug dealers and criminals while allowing a foreign nation to destroy our revered voting system so the president can garner more and more wealth.


Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Skariff2 66M
2834 posts
12/13/2018 2:57 pm

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Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


earthytaurus3 79F
39402 posts
12/13/2018 3:57 pm

As far as I'm concerned, this president's unseemly behavior, his reach for authoritative power/control and his penchant for deceit are reason enough to deem him unfit to serve a nation presumed to be founded on law and order. He's a pig in too much slop, a total misfit to the office.. When a person has more wealth than they know what to do with, power becomes the primary motivator.

I can't quite conceive of just how The Wall will/would benefit Trump personally except to exemplify his hatred of peoples from 'shit hole countries'.


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
12/13/2018 4:45 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    and I quote, "allowing a foreign nation to destroy our revered voting system so the president can garner more and more wealth."

    sir if you or any one you know or associate with, and or live with. has access, knowledge and or prove of what you state. then you should have or should now contact the fbi.

    if you know of such information and fail to report it to the federal authorities . sir you are complicit in the crime.

    I do hope you understand the gravity of this.

    please google the number to the fbi an report it.

    please don't be complacent .

    it is your civil duty to report a crime
After he says he doesn't know anything, he tells what it is. Go figure.
Break all this down. Mueller, we were told, was supposed to look for Russian interference, Two years later, we have people going to jail, not for working with Russia, but for not remembering conversations, not having a lawyer with them ( Flynn - Hillary had 7 with her ), tax crimes going back more than a decade, taxi medallions, payoffs to women who perhaps were engaged in blackmail, IRS violations, BUT not one single Russian in the woodpile.

Meanwhile ,in 2016, back in Chappaqua , Christopher Steele, was paid through two firewalls (Fusion GPS and Perkins Coie) by Hillary Clinton to tap Russian sources to compile a smear dossier on her opponent, with the intent of warping the U.S. election — a classic example of foreign-agent interference in an American campaign.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2775 posts
12/13/2018 5:11 pm

The point of your blog is well represented in the two comments above.


Skariff2 66M
2834 posts
12/13/2018 5:24 pm

And thus the title of the blog........

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


deborahsu2 79F  
3182 posts
12/13/2018 8:54 pm

    Quoting Skariff2:
    And thus the title of the blog........
"They still don't get it". And you do????????????????


Skariff2 66M
2834 posts
12/13/2018 9:14 pm

    Quoting deborahsu2:
    "They still don't get it". And you do????????????????
And the hits just keep on coming...........LOL

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


boogie7102 74F
525 posts
12/13/2018 10:56 pm

To answer your question Tex, the extension was up 16 October 1018 and decisions on donations can be extended 60-90 days that puts it well into 2019 for 2017 returns.


boogie7102 74F
525 posts
12/13/2018 10:59 pm

Should be 16 Oct 2018.


sparkleflit 71F
4430 posts
12/13/2018 11:41 pm

So it seems that, in the US, if a candidate for president commits a crime that aids his campaign and subsequently wins the election, he cannot be indited while he is in office. Is this true?


bijou649 69F
458 posts
12/14/2018 3:35 am

Finally Trump's sleazy and illegal behaviour is being exposed. Every day we are learning more and more of his dirty deeds. This deal Trump and the National Enquirer devised to conceal hush money payments to influence the election is appalling. I wonder if Trump was also responsible for the National Enquirer writing all those shocking and false articles and putting doctored photos of Hillary on her deathbed on their cover just before the election??


Maisie2013 67F
19152 posts
12/14/2018 5:56 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    So it seems that, in the US, if a candidate for president commits a crime that aids his campaign and subsequently wins the election, he cannot be indited while he is in office. Is this true?
A sitting President cannot be indicted. But where is the crime? Campaign finance violations get fines. Or at least Obama got fines, and every other Democrat.
Cohen is being charged, among other things, with lying to investigators. So- Cohen is a liar, so says the court- but when he accuses Trump of something, he is telling the truth , says the media, and the Trump haters.
Odd that reasoning.

Investigations are supposed to find the perps of a crime, not find a crime by investigating people on the other side of the political aisle. It didn't work for Republicans investigating a sitting President's misdeeds in the 90's, and it wont work now,


LeafReport 68M
1551 posts
12/14/2018 6:38 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    A sitting President cannot be indicted. But where is the crime? Campaign finance violations get fines. Or at least Obama got fines, and every other Democrat.
    Cohen is being charged, among other things, with lying to investigators. So- Cohen is a liar, so says the court- but when he accuses Trump of something, he is telling the truth , says the media, and the Trump haters.
    Odd that reasoning.

    Investigations are supposed to find the perps of a crime, not find a crime by investigating people on the other side of the political aisle. It didn't work for Republicans investigating a sitting President's misdeeds in the 90's, and it wont work now,
Knock it off...you know better than to spew pure Fox News crap Maisie. It's the conspiracy.....the PORN star conspiracy.


LeafReport 68M
1551 posts
12/14/2018 6:41 am

    Quoting deborahsu2:
    "They still don't get it". And you do????????????????
This is perplexing...given there has been 36 indictments including 3 companies and Trump associates have been jailed. Further Trump has been implicated in a felony....glad we cleared that up Deborah...Merry Christmas to you.


LeafReport 68M
1551 posts
12/14/2018 7:50 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    So it seems that, in the US, if a candidate for president commits a crime that aids his campaign and subsequently wins the election, he cannot be indited while he is in office. Is this true?
It's a question under debate. He can be, but it is the Department of Justice policy not to do so. Essentially this suggests that an indictment could be issued after someone leaves office. It's not an issue that has challenged the system in quite the way that the nation is being challenged now, and with Trump. It's an interesting dynamic that under normal circumstances would lead to action by the congress through an impeachment vote in the House of Representatives and then a sanctioning vote by the senate. What the system doesn't really account for is if there is corruption at the highest level in the Justice Department that refuses to refer a situation to the congress for resolution. This is why the question is being raised...how does our system circumvent this kind of corruption. No precedent has been established to account for such a dilemma. In this case, if the special counsel now investigating decides to circumvent the Dept of Justice rules and indict, this would likely be challenged and ultimately decided by the Supreme Court. Since no law has been established to provide means for this...its hard to say what the outcome would be. Would the Supreme Court essentially 'make' law to solve the problem...or, refuse to even take the case, or, decide that the Justice Department rule prevails...thereby prohibiting indictment...in which case the perpetrator of a presidential crime could get away with it given the Department of Justice corruption. It's an ugly problem because if corruption extends into the congress itself...refusing to act on its constitutional obligations, it opens the door for widespread abuses nobody knows might come.

It really, really, really, REALLY matters who you vote for. That's why so many people in America are worried...through a quirk in the system we have a president who actually lost the popular vote in the election by 3 million votes. It's a big problem when you have divided government like this. In American history this has happened...a president wins but loses the popular vote, 4 times. In all 4 times it has led to chaos...


Skariff2 66M
2834 posts
12/14/2018 8:20 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    A sitting President cannot be indicted. But where is the crime? Campaign finance violations get fines. Or at least Obama got fines, and every other Democrat.
    Cohen is being charged, among other things, with lying to investigators. So- Cohen is a liar, so says the court- but when he accuses Trump of something, he is telling the truth , says the media, and the Trump haters.
    Odd that reasoning.

    Investigations are supposed to find the perps of a crime, not find a crime by investigating people on the other side of the political aisle. It didn't work for Republicans investigating a sitting President's misdeeds in the 90's, and it wont work now,
You need to realize there are folks here who actually believe the words you write in these blogs, most of which either miss the point or are outright erroneous. In believing these inappropriate and erroneous positions the divide, which plagues the United States, is ensconced deeper and stronger than it already is.

A sitting president can be indicted, can be tried and can be convicted. There is no constitutional bar to any of this. It is done for reasons of continuity and safety. The Department of Justice made the determination not to indict a sitting president because doing so would distract the president from his duties, thus jeopardizing the nation's stature both domestically and globally. As prudent as that decision may be, it is not substantiated by the Constitution.

Investigations are supposed to resolve crimes. Your assessment that investigations are meant to discover "perps" covers only a portion of the investigative purposes. Do you believe the DOJ should look for "perps" in the Hillary Clinton case or do you believe an investigation should determine whether or not there has been a crime committed? The double standard exhibited here counteracts a position espoused by you and the remainder of the GOP predicated on hatred rather than substantive evidence or proof. In proffering his position you propagate the growing division in the United States instead of healing the wounds of that division.

Finally, you do not possess the requisite experience, knowledge or training to make the determinations you do. I have tried to demonstrate this numerous times, each time falling on deaf ears and blind eyes. Instead you castigate me for condescension despite evidence to the contrary. It does, however, exacerbate the GOP disdain for education which is exhibited in many of the blogs submitted by GOP loyalists. So, keep traveling the road less taken merely to satisfy that which you believe should be true rather than that which is actually true.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


bob77O21__ 76M
8307 posts
12/14/2018 8:21 am

"In American history this has happened...a president wins but loses the popular vote, 4 times."

False.

FIVE presidents lost the popular vote, not FOUR.


1824: John Quincy Adams
1876: Rutherford B. Hayes
1888: Benjamin Harrison
2000: George W. Bush
2016: Donald Trump


sparkleflit 71F
4430 posts
12/14/2018 10:04 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    A sitting President cannot be indicted. But where is the crime? Campaign finance violations get fines. Or at least Obama got fines, and every other Democrat.
    Cohen is being charged, among other things, with lying to investigators. So- Cohen is a liar, so says the court- but when he accuses Trump of something, he is telling the truth , says the media, and the Trump haters.
    Odd that reasoning.

    Investigations are supposed to find the perps of a crime, not find a crime by investigating people on the other side of the political aisle. It didn't work for Republicans investigating a sitting President's misdeeds in the 90's, and it wont work now,
Interesting how you just categorically state that a president can't be indicted,when the legal experts are still debating it. Most of them agree that it cannot be known until it's tried......and so far, it has been deemed a better choice to impeach first, so as not to besmirch the office. I was asking a technical question, so your leap to a defence of Trump seems odd.......


jiminycricket1 69M
10578 posts
12/14/2018 10:31 am

"There is always someone smarter"

And although Trump thinks he''s the one smarter.. he plays his fiddle to watch the masses dance.

He just can't imagine someone smarter...but there is.....

As Mueller plays the fiddle.. just to watch Trump dance.