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1/16/2013 2:59 am |
Hi Bill, I'd really like to hear what liberals think about each of these five points. TY for commenting and GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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Fact; Sadly liberals will NOT debate your blog. They will twist and turn it in their favor,,,,,if they post at all. . . The beginning of life, conception..
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Gavin, I may not be entirely Liberal but I understand their point of view. First there isn't five points because all the points are one and the same. Second, I agree, their are those who take and those who get taken advantage of, but not everyone falls into either category. Third, The transformation from those who get taken advantage to those that take is both prevalent and wrongly justifiable. Fourth, The transformation of those that take to those that are taken advantage of is like a snowfall in June. Fifth, The typical conservative rhetoric proposes to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but keeping the soap for themselves. Attacking the needy as the problem, when the problem isn't the needy but the greedy from both sides of the aisle.
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1/16/2013 5:44 am |
Im not on either side Gavin as I dont live in America, but common sense would say that everhthing above is true. Its the same in Ireland.
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Leaf, I did and your post proved it. Quoting 1gasilverhead2: Fact; Sadly liberals will NOT debate your blog. They will twist and turn it in their favor,,,,,if they post at all. . Nope, wrongo again...come on back for the truth. . The beginning of life, conception..
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1/16/2013 6:23 am |
I don't work, and I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. Work is for those too dumb to live off the system.
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Taking a look at this analogy. 1. A wealthy owner pays a player to make him more money. You haven't legislated the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy into poverty. You have made a rich person richer while making a more impoverished person richer. And have created more jobs because now they have to have more people to make and sale the hotdogs. beers, etc. Which in turn creates more jobs for the meat makers of the product that they sale. So the goat would only make the owner poorer. not richer. Which the liberals want you to do, use all goats to make them richer. At the cost of posperity. 2. Giving of gifts is a voluntary action. That's why their is a certain amount of "feeling good" for the giver. But to take someone else's things that they have worked for a give them to them to someone who refuses to work does not make anyone feel any better. Neither the receiver nor the giver. So let the giver chose to whom he thinks needs it. And it has been my experience just listening to what the American people are willing to give, They can be way more caring and more giving when they can do so freely than what can be done by the government. 3 The government does nothing to create any profit on it's own. It only takes from those who work in the form of taxes. So it can not give to anyone what it hasn't taken from the worker first. Matters not what political party they are from. 4.As one who used to do sales. I know that there is only a certain amount of money in the economy. So for example, If the economy says that their is only a $100 among all the people to spend on product. Then who is going to make more money. 1 selling that product. or 10 selling that product. Common sense says that if you divide the $100 ten ways. Then you have divided the wealth. Not multiplied it. Of course that is the free enterprise system working. And in the long run then the consumer wins. Because then the sellers offer deals to get more of the money. 5. Is true. if you look at the free enterprise system. then you know that it creates jobs. And if it creates jobs. then that in itself creates more jobs in the other facets of the economy. Which then creates more jobs. Because consumers buy more products. So the trickle down effects work. Just like it always have and always will. DustyOldDude
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1/16/2013 7:49 am |
No change of the argument. Facts are facts. And the Liberals hate when the facts don't go with their beliefs. so they change it all around to make the facts lies so they can make them fit their agenda. Which is to legislate the country into a third world country. And sit in their dead-beat butts and complain because someone can't work hard enough to pay them the money they think the government needs to pay them for doing nothing. And the oil leases are privately owned. The government makes money off the taxes they can charge the companies that lease them. And the government has lost billions on the all the bailouts. Check the facts. don't just make things up. The best example I can think of in the case of American conservatives is single payor government health care. All industrialized nations except for the US have some form of this. The data show that this produces better health outcomes at lower cost, but the conservatives ignore this.
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1/16/2013 9:52 am |
Missed the point though. Who is "the government". Aren't we all part of it and aren't we all responsible for each other? Spiritwoman ^i^
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Good points Jiminycricket!!
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1/16/2013 2:37 pm |
Hi folks! TY all for responding! And especially thank you to those liberals who disagree, because it took courage to comment here I think. But none of the people who have challenged these 5 truths have been able to disprove them. None of their examples or complaints are relevent to the basic simple statements made in each one. But in fairness, I'll challenge the last (and only last) sentence of the last statement: "that is the beginning of the end or any nation." On that point, I am just not sure I can necessarily agree is right. Perhaps if an end is coming to any nation, it could very likely have begun to break down for any number of different reasons. Impossible to say what initiates the end. TY all and GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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TY, Rocket it's amazing what a little acknowledgement does for the soul! thank you again
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1/16/2013 3:20 pm |
Somehow, the fact that you resort to angry rhetoric and ramblings that don't deal with the questions at hand doesn't surprise me. And by your tone and ramblings, I sense that you comment here mainly due to your attitude towards me personally, rather than the 5 points I asked people to comment on. And what does Christianity have to do with the topic questions I posed in this blog? If you think it's relevant to resent me because I'm a Christian, then is it relevant for me to be rude to you because you're a retired teacher? Next, I don't advocate for a NWO. Like most conservatives, I oppose it. My points here never said or even imply that the few can't work and strive to earn money and become wealthy too. I really don't think you're ashamed of me. I think you're jealous and resentful of the fact that I'm usually right when you and I differ. (Wanna know one of the ways I do it? I never blindly agree or disagree with anyone based upon my personal feelings about that person at the time. Nor do I let the way my friends or others feel about them influence the way I respond to the people I am in discussion with. Instead, I take every statement at FACE value, and respond only to those particular words and position. To do that, I have to diligently strive to not hold grudges about past encounters with folks. And unless they become abusive, I strive to let go of any past resentments and treat them with civility. That's why I'm able to disagree or even argue with hostility on one of their blogs or comments, then a short time later on another topic I can approach them with civility about a new one.) Anyway, I'm not ashamed of you, or anyone else for that matter. People are what they are, and free to be whichever way they choose. But if you want to feel shame, then be my guest. Other people's actions or words, (even those of close friends and loved ones) is not something I have to take responsibility for. And neither do you. Finally, it would make an interesting topic of discussion, to bring up the question of whether truth does or doesn't always remain the truth. That's a philosophical question, and I suspect you and I may disagree, but it would be interesting to hear your side of the question. You might even convince me that truth changes?!! I doubt you'd convince me, but it may be possible. Almost forgot your last question: I think these 5 points benefit mankind by explaining how life, government, and economics work. That way, people will be better able to understand, function, and prosper for themselves. Hope I answered all your questions? GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/16/2013 3:32 pm |
Each of the five items have been proven over and over to those who are in the real world. It appears 1gasilverhead was right. Twisting facts by the blog hog has indeed occurred. There is only one thing standing between nobama and Marxist tyranny: We, the People!!
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1/16/2013 3:39 pm |
Missed the point though. Who is "the government". Aren't we all part of it and aren't we all responsible for each other? I thought your comment here deserved an exclusive response too. In the culture of the USA, as it was founded, we are not always responsible for each other. Sometimes we are, but more often we are not. The basis of that view, is predicated on the belief that the best person to take care of a person, is that same person. (But I'll agree there are exceptions, and some of them obvious.) The Constitution was written with this view in mind. That being said, I have to admit that the culture in the USA seems to be changing and taking a new stance on the question of rights of the individual vs rights of the whole. So, in the future, maybe even soon, the culture may be as you described. Interesting factoid: Some sociological studies have found that THE most distinguishing characteristic about Americans, is their sense of their own individual rights. No other culture in the world resembled the extent of our individual sense of self worth. I can't prove that's either good or bad, tho I personally think it's good. But those studies are a few decades old now, and the general cultural view may be changing. TY for commenting and GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/16/2013 6:18 pm |
I have always supported the conservative position on fiscal responsibility. It`s too bad that conservatives don`t practice what they espouse.
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1/16/2013 6:54 pm |
Nothing phony about the GBUs I post. I may be angry or dislike someone, or disagree or disapprove, but I hope God blesses everyone. And Christ told us to bless everyone, even our enemies. Altho, even if I have arguments and some people don't like me, I find it hard to consider anyone in SFF to be an "enemy." At least not one to really have something to worry about from. They can insult me, but they can't really hurt me. (Well, I'm assuming you don't have any immediate plans to come burn down my home or commit some other violence against me any time soon. Let me know if you do. I'll make sure the coffee is fresh.) But my sign off was not part of the blog topic anyway. The ONLY topic I raised in this blog entry, was the consideration of 5 simple statements. Statements that had nothing to do with religion, and only touched on politics indirectly. They were primarily about economics, and more specifically, the effects of some approaches to wealth re-distribution. So again, what's Christianity, or my faith got to do with it? Answer: Nothing. Just like your membership in the NEA or some other teacher's union (which I personally think are a significant part of America's problems,) has nothing to do with it. So I didn't see a need to drag that aspect of your being into my treatment of you. In fact, I was more polite than you deserved! Maybe it would help you, if I remind you that being a Christian is not the only adjective that applies to me. I'm more than one thing. I'm also retired, have plenty of college background with a Magna Cum Laude in Psychology, some modest grad school background, smelly feet, born with a treatable birth defect, father of two sons, was a GM hourly employee, am a musician, and music writer, a union member, lazy, obese, often annoying, a slob, etc. So please don't get hung up on my Christianity, cos there are a lot of other reasons for you to hate me. I even buy American vehicles, and don't care if my clothes are in fashion. There's still more, but you get the idea. Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm tired now, and need to rest a while. But when I can get back here, I'm going to re-write your first comment to me on this blog, in a way that would make sense, be relevant, and foster civil dialogue. I'll compare what you actually said, with how you could have said it better. (In fact, it will force me to deal more specifically with any logical points you tried to make, because I'll just edit out the unproductive angry rages that clouded the issues.) GBU, Gavin PS: Glad you got at least a chuckle out of my first reply to you. I'd hoped you'd get that and even more, but it's a start. GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/16/2013 8:04 pm |
Dear Roxy! You and I are world's apart on political ideology, but because I know you to be civil when we've talked in the past, PLEASE never feel reluctant to share your views on my blogs!!! GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/16/2013 8:16 pm |
I have always supported the conservative position on fiscal responsibility. It`s too bad that conservatives don`t practice what they espouse. I have to agree that REPUBLICANS don't practice what they preach. And the reason I agree, is that I've recently had to come to realize that the Republican Party is finally no longer conservative at all. If it were, then they'd have put conservative values before Party loyalty and fear of losing their next elections, by standing up and letting us go over the fiscal cliff. It's got to happen sometime, and they blew their best chance of avoiding REAL financial catastrophy down the road by standing fast for spending cuts. GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/17/2013 12:43 am |
Hi folks Some people may have noticed in an earlier reply to a rude comment to me by one blogger, I said I'd re-write their initial comment here to show them a better way of communicating and getting along in the blogs while getting their relevant points across. And I'll admit now that if I should do that, it may be denigrating to that person. Soon after I finished my response to that person, I became aware of an attack blog they posted seperate from this one, but about our exchange here. Their new blog blocked me, so I posted another very sarcastic blog of my own in response. Now, a few minutes ago, I checked back to the blogs and found that they had deleted their attack blog. I assume they decided they didn't care to take it further and make a long series of blog wars. That was very decent, noble, and wise of them. So, I deleted my rebuttle blog. That left me back where I'd left off on this blog, where I'd promised that I'd re-write their initial comment here. But now, under these new circumstances, I have to assume they agree not to continue hostilities. Since they see the wisdom in that, I'm reluctant to re-write their initial comment because it would probably just fuel the flames of more anger. So unless I hear from that person that they prefer me to re-write their initial comment, (which I highly doubt they will,) I won't do it. The person is basically a decent human being, tho I've come to accept the fact that they probably don't particularly like me, which is their right. We mainly just have some differing ideological views. And perhaps they were just in a bad mood, or tired and cranky, at the time of their initial comment here, and their distrust of me may have gotten the better of their judgement, which then caused them to post the original comment in an offending manner. (I can't fault that person for distrusting me. IMHO, no one should feel an obligation to blindly trust anyone else, unless perhaps it's their spouse or someone just as close.) And of course this is all speculation, because I can't read that person's mind. But anyway, I decided not to re-write their comment, and will just let the matter drop. I'm confident that person is wise enough to agree that our disagreement here is a silly thing to continue to fight about. GBU all, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/17/2013 5:56 am |
I'm confident that person is wise enough to agree that our disagreement here is a silly thing to continue to fight about. I wouldn't bet on that, but good luck anyway. There is only one thing standing between nobama and Marxist tyranny: We, the People!!
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1/17/2013 1:57 pm |
Yup. I agree. It is a good idea. TY for agreeing. GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/17/2013 9:02 pm |
I just gotta laugh at your presentation here.....as if stating something is "true" makes it true and your toadies second guessing the comments......calling hem untruths before they are even written........I know why ET found it humorous.....Your self righteous hot air blowing is very amusing. Perhaps it might help if you made sense and learned how to intelligently and accurately communicate what you are saying? Just a suggestion. Hope that helps. But I sense I've disappointed you because I'm sure you only commented here because you hoped to initiate a fight. That's fine. Start fighting alone, and when I'm not busy on worthwhile stuff, just to be courteous I'll come join you. Nice of you to drop by. GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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1/17/2013 9:05 pm |
Hi Senior Nice to meet you. Who is "OP"? GBU, Gavin GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.
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