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michael30093 66M
69 posts
8/26/2012 6:33 pm
Simple questions - Spin vs. Facts


I am not trying to say this is right or wrong, but lets look at facts. Can anyone explain this???

Has Obama been untruthful about his Dad and his birth certificate???

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".

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3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ."This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani 's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home," respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

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4. Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's birth certificate says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father's date of birth as approximately "1936”if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book, one that has not been altered to satisfy the author's goals to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II
his father would not have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still qualifies as a liar)?

(Maybe only country folks can smell the manure?)

kmanfu2 61F

8/26/2012 9:00 pm

You are very correct. The Prez is a liar. What is so sad is that he's not even a good liar, but yet some people say they will vote for him again. I hate to say this but liars and idiots give the Democratic party a really bad name. Whats even worse is (Bama and his crowd)make Romney/Ryan look good haha, and...that's even more sad because Romney/Ryan are mucho dufus!


rusty740 84M

8/26/2012 9:05 pm

The stink coming from Washington, DC is not from commerical hog farms. The stink is generated by the White House. How about Obama's college records and his passport? Did he travel as a foreigner? Did he obtain college funds as a foreign student? Is he a foreign person when he wants to be and an American part of the time? Why 26 social security numbers and the one he uses in from Conn and he never lived there. Really, 84 alias - what does he have to hide? Bill Avers gave him a house in Chicago. Rev. Wright was his pastor for 20 years until he decided to run for President. Then his campaign offered to pay Rev. Wright $150,000 to disappear during the campaign. Why does Obama have 600 lawyers on retainers throughout the USA. Why did Obama and Michell give up or lose their law licenses? Insurance fraud?

And you want this guy to destory your way of life??

OMG - OBAMA MUST GO !!!


GavinLS 69M

8/26/2012 9:13 pm

I find this interesting, but I don't have a true copy of the birth certificate in front of me to verify the claims here. I'm not saying you are lieing. Only that I can't verify this information and can't also rule out the possibility that you are mistaken. I have no way of knowing.

My vote will be for Romney anyway. Whether there really is in fact some discrepancy with Obama's birth or not. But I'm troubled by all the character assassination coming from both camps and directed at both candidates, especially when the allegations are so persistant and keep coming back up.

Anyway, GBU,

Gavin

GREETINGS EARTHLINGS! I COME IN PEACE! TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER. Klatu, baraba nicto.


Exterra 74M

8/26/2012 10:55 pm

I thought that the birthers had given up beating this dead horse months ago. I guess that I was mistaken in my understanding.

Sofar as the name of the hospital that Obama was born in, I found the following in less than five minutes.

"In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children’s hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox’s gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii’s families:

A lot of people lack basic reading skills if they are taking from that that it was a children’s hospital until 1978. What started out as a maternity home, became The Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in 1958. This is from a PDF from HA Catholic Social Services, which referred unwed mothers to the Kapiolani Maternity Home/Hospital throughout the years:

What is more, another Hawaiian birth certificate from a day after Obama was born has been posted online from the same hospital, (Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital)."

In regard to your allegation about the name Kenya and when it began being used,

"Kenya was an English protectorate as early as 1895. It was identified as "Kenya" at that early date. Furthermore, The Protectorate became a Kenya colony in 1920. Consequently, all ethnic groups were subject to colonial rules and lost their political independence. The colonial authorities then established the growing of cash crops intended for export. The new form of agriculture was managed by European settlers, who exploited cheap African labour."

I hope that this proves to be informative even though I imagine that someone will continue to spout conspiracy theories until either they or Obama dies. That does not make those conspiracy theories factually accurate.


Railroadman3 73M

8/27/2012 5:19 am

    Quoting Exterra:
    I thought that the birthers had given up beating this dead horse months ago. I guess that I was mistaken in my understanding.

    Sofar as the name of the hospital that Obama was born in, I found the following in less than five minutes.

    "In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children’s hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox’s gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened.

    The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii’s families:

    A lot of people lack basic reading skills if they are taking from that that it was a children’s hospital until 1978. What started out as a maternity home, became The Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in 1958. This is from a PDF from HA Catholic Social Services, which referred unwed mothers to the Kapiolani Maternity Home/Hospital throughout the years:

    What is more, another Hawaiian birth certificate from a day after Obama was born has been posted online from the same hospital, (Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital)."

    In regard to your allegation about the name Kenya and when it began being used,

    "Kenya was an English protectorate as early as 1895. It was identified as "Kenya" at that early date. Furthermore, The Protectorate became a Kenya colony in 1920. Consequently, all ethnic groups were subject to colonial rules and lost their political independence. The colonial authorities then established the growing of cash crops intended for export. The new form of agriculture was managed by European settlers, who exploited cheap African labour."

    I hope that this proves to be informative even though I imagine that someone will continue to spout conspiracy theories until either they or Obama dies. That does not make those conspiracy theories factually accurate.

All you are capable of doing is copy and pasting Government planted mis-information? How about another Romney blog? Are you capable? lol

Teddy-ess and hairee, We need (An update on the situation here.)

ROTFLMFAO


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
8/27/2012 9:58 am

The question is where did you get your facts or spin? It's always good to list your sources.


dusty117 73M

8/27/2012 10:18 am

Truth vs spin is an interesting topic.

I'll pick Scott Pelley over Rush Limbaugh any day if I’m looking for quality broadcasting, honesty, integrity, decency, commitment to more than one side of a topic, ability, likeability...


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
8/27/2012 10:49 am

    Quoting Railroadman3:
    All you are capable of doing is copy and pasting Government planted mis-information? How about another Romney blog? Are you capable? lol
Tsk, tsk, railroad- I think you've just insulted the blogger since this is a "cut and paste" blog (credit wasn't given and it sounds like an original blog - but it isn't). I am pretty sure it isn't a "Government plant" though. Actually you can check it out on the sites that investigate the truth from the lies.


Railroadman3 73M

8/27/2012 11:34 am

    Quoting hobsonschoice:
    Tsk, tsk, railroad- I think you've just insulted the blogger since this is a "cut and paste" blog (credit wasn't given and it sounds like an original blog - but it isn't). I am pretty sure it isn't a "Government plant" though. Actually you can check it out on the sites that investigate the truth from the lies.
Wrong again Ma Kettle.

Teddy-ess and hairee, We need (An update on the situation here.)

ROTFLMFAO


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
8/27/2012 12:11 pm

Oh Kurtis.


bijou624

8/27/2012 2:29 pm

Hi Michael: When Romney joked recently that no-one asked to see his birth certificate, it made me wonder why not but it was also very sad that even though President Obama did produce his, because he's black some people refuse to believe he is an American???


Exterra 74M

8/27/2012 3:52 pm

    Quoting  :

What dates are you specifically addressing? I want to have you on record so that we can discuss this in a mature and reasonable manner.

Do you mean dates on his birth certificate? If that is what you mean than Obama had nothing to do with providing any dates on that document. Or are you trying to divert the discussion by trying to interject something beyond what the blog addressed? Was this something emailed to you or that you heard someone talking about. I would like for you to mention only dates that Obama himself quoted.


Exterra 74M

8/27/2012 3:55 pm

How original...you really would benefit from further education. A curriculum that involves debate would be of immense benefit.

Thanks for another instance of your failure to discuss things in an intelligent manner. This is another drop of levity that you have provided to us this day.


Exterra 74M

8/27/2012 4:00 pm

    Quoting  :

Thank you again Bob. How is that second career as a children's book proofreader coming?

On a separate but related matter. Have you determined where in crime of statutory one can find an exclusion in the event of consent? I am waiting for you to illustrate to all of us how you arrived at that bit of flaky thought.


bijou624

8/28/2012 1:33 am

    Quoting  :

Some people will never accept that a black family is living in the White House and doesn't have to enter through the servants' entrance.


Tx_JW 81M

8/28/2012 7:32 am

RailRoad you complain of obsession with Romney blogs and want something else by that specific blogger---then he does a fact blog of different form and you request that he do another Romney blog. LOLOL
Which way is it??? Toooo funnnyyy LOL
This stuff is very entertaining--provides lots of laughs. LOL
One thing for sure--it is difficult to dispute fact. Just shoot the messenger. LOL


kmanfu2 61F

9/2/2012 10:06 pm

In choosing between two evils I will choose the white guy over the darky...he has a legitimate birth certificate.

I've also heard that Hell doesn't do birth certificates, so guess Bammy is chit outta luck on my vote!