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The Church of the Painful Truth...... ......For all those Rush Limbaugh listeners out there may I suggest an alternative to his compassionate, caring rhetoric. Tune in to Neal Boortz and his libertarian viewpoints. He is an equal opportunity offender and very critical on most subjects. His view of health care can be summed up in a email he recently received. ......."Received an email from some character who thought that the Democrats takeover of health care was "all good." Why? Because this guy happened to have a pre-existing condition and couldn't get health insurance. This letter is all-too typical of the way far too many Americans think. He has a problem and his problem should, according to him anyway, be our problem. Well, know what? That sucks. Nobody is happy he has heart disease. Fact is, though, that we don't ALL live in life boats .. and the mere existence of his medical misfortune (or whatever he wants to call it) in no way constitutes a lien on the life or property of any other American. He seemed to have the attitude that because HE has a problem everyone else in this country ought to set their freedoms and their right to their property aside until HIS problem is taken care of. Well .. I have a problem with that. So should you .. but this thinking is pervasive in America today, and it's dragging down our country"......... .........Ok my friends is it any wonder why Neal is considered the High Priest for the Church of the Painful Truth? ...........and here you all thought El Rushbo was too conservative? "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine |
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1/5/2010 9:19 am |
The Painful Truth is that "this guy's problem" is, in fact, the problem of everyone else. Ignoring and not treating the health issues of Americans simply drives up costs for everyone else. A good example of how this works is the condition of the homeless. It turns out, upon investigation, that the ER and policing costs of leaving someone out on the street often far exceed the cost of giving them free housing. But as in many cases, ideology will probably trump pragmatism.
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Typical...... My New Years wish for people belonging to "The church of the plain truth" Let it be your job lost. Let it be your health insurance lost Let it be your pre-existing condition Let it be your daughter and pregnant Let it be your house foreclosed upon Let it be your children slum schooled Let it be your welfare at stake
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1/5/2010 9:58 am |
Jiminy then I will let it be "MY" responsibility and that is my plain truth. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 10:00 am |
Bilenski gotta hand it to you. You have all the answers too bad you have no solutions......You really think Sarah palin's a "hottie"? "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 10:06 am |
Daylily I couldn't agree more. Was your comment directed toward China or Iran? No? ok how about Cuba or Venezuela? No? ok I got it you mean North Korea......... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - G.B. SHAW
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1/5/2010 11:22 am |
now you all know im not a religious believer, but where are those who should be helping thy neighbour rather than see him suffer what sort of heartless enterprise turns away a person in need of medical care ~ its the i'm alright jack attitude that allows millions to be spend in foreign lands so that you look good yet it kicks your own people into the gutter out of sight ~ how callous the u.k. health service is not perfect but it does work well, another side to this mans plight is that the country actually spends more in the long run if his complaint renders him unable to work and pay taxes people feel good when they are self supporting and can work thus being a contributer to the economy not a burden on the country ~ but if you aint been there you dont know what i'm talking about
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1/5/2010 12:18 pm |
Bilenski gotta hand it to you. You have all the answers too bad you have no solutions......You really think Sarah palin's a "hottie"? Yes, I really think Palin is a hottie. I was brought up to believe that we should always look for the good in people. In Sarah's case, her looks are about the only positive thing that is detectable.
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60 min... Your full of BS..... your entitlements...medicare, social security, try living without them, then come talk to me. Your collecting what you put in, Your not doing a damn thing for anyone else. Give it up..then come talk to me. How many wealthy, that could afford their own insurance collect on medicare, collect their social security. Give it up, then come talk to me about taking your responsibility. You folk just think you give, your all talk and no better than the rest of us "takers". You got yours, and now your getting everyone Else's. What about the rest of us. You are full of BS. Thinking you'd take on your responsibility. You don't know the meaning..... Give it up... then come talk to me. The problem with government programs is not the program. But those that don't need it, taking advantage of it. And more importantly, those that need it, not appreciating it. And, then believing they should gets theirs and no one else deserves any. How can you not see that you depend on it? You depend on the government protecting your income, health insurance, ability to work, family, education, utilities, and food. It ok for you, but not for anyone else....Give it up and come talk to me!
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1/5/2010 1:15 pm |
....OK Jiminiy I did without medicare for 65 years so now you want me to give it up. Do you think the government will return all that I have paid into it? As far as that scam/ponzi scheme called social security goes I hope to be fortunate to live long enough to get back all I have paid into it. Both programs were forced on us we had no choice did we? You may put the BS label on me all you want but I have never recieved any entiltement that was not earned. Would that allow me to talk to you? BTW this blog expresses the view of another perhaps you need to contact him about all his BS. Have a nice day...... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 1:20 pm |
ET.... I render unto Caesar what is Caesars every April 15th, and I render unto God what is Gods everyday. Are you happy now? Is that "Christian" enough? "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 1:24 pm |
Ex airforce probably so but for him to expect me to do it instead of me wanting to do it is the issue of this blog that many who comment seem to forget. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 1:28 pm |
No Daylily your the one that said it..... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/5/2010 1:33 pm |
AneMac are you sure that under Obamas plan she will have health insurance? have you read that in the bill or did you glean it from a sound bite? I'm just curious.... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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Your contribution were already spent, on those you condemn. You are being paid back, on the backs of the rest of us. Yet you still condemn....yet you still take. The government protects you every day. Yet, you still condemn it... yet you still take it. You think you are entitled.... You think your more American than the rest of US. You don't have a clue, How it really works!...... You don't have a clue about what it is to be a real American! Don't take me wrong.... I'm not upset with you. You doesn't mean you personally, just people like you! I know, someday if we meet, we'll have a beer and laugh about it!
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1/5/2010 4:43 pm |
You know Jiminy your probably right. The fact that I am "Condeming" as you call it, is not the problem. What I am "condeming" is an issue with you. Telling me I dont have a clue about what it is to be a real American really doesnt add to a reasonable discussion and I feel is a little unwarranted but hey we are all different and no 2 think alike. liked your 2010 poem. have a good day ...... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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60min. A real American is willing to sacrifice for whats right. Willing to protect what he has, against a known enemy. Not create a self serving one. A real American sees what America gives, and wants to be part of the giving, sees what America stands for and stands beside her. A real American will sacrifice that the guilty go free if it's means a innocent does also. A real American respects diversity. A real American protects other Americans. A real American doesn't hate those that hate America. A real American understands that right always prevails over might. That the means is never justified by the ends. A real American doesn't fear lies. A real American, trusts in human nature, believes in good over evil, understands citizenship.
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sleek, 60 min asked how being a real American is part of this discussion. Well my point is.. those that profess to be American, should act like it! Discussing issues is one thing, discussing morals and who's deserving and who's not, is another thing.
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1/7/2010 3:02 pm |
Sorry AneMac My intent was not sarcasm but so many say under Obama they will be better off. Thats not a given could be they would be worse off is all I was trying to imply. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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Sorry AneMac My intent was not sarcasm but so many say under Obama they will be better off. Thats not a given could be they would be worse off is all I was trying to imply.
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Also, 60minman, a neighbour brought to my attention a recent Oprah show 'Women Around the World' where apparently Oprah had visited Copenhagen and learned some very interesting facts regarding the happiness of the people and why. I looked it up on the net and read the article which I am recommending to you and others who seem to still be searching for answers or alternatives regarding health care etc. Here is an excerpt from that show: 'For the past 30 years, scientific researchers and survey results have all reached the same conclusion–Danes are consistently happier than the rest of the world. On the "world map of happiness"–a map created by a social psychologist in England–Switzerland, Austria and Iceland rank just below Denmark on the happiness scale. Canada comes in at number 10, while the United States is a distant 23rd.' (interesting stats)
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1/10/2010 6:45 pm |
frenchsalsa. its evident that the researchers when questioning Americans did not ask them to those living in Hawaii....... "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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2/3/2010 9:55 pm |
60min: In one of your responses you wrote: "....As far as that scam/ponzi scheme called social security goes I hope to be fortunate to live long enough to get back all I have paid into it." Please take a minute to assess your claim. I think you'd be sadly (and SOON) disappointed if the Social Security system discontinued making monthly payments to you the month AFTER you exhausted the amount that you had contributed..... I checked the my last annual statement from the SSA and found that the amount that I contributed toward the Social Security system will be far short of what I would have had to contribute in to an equivalent investment (an assured annuity) in order to assure that I had an open-ended monthly income for the remainder of my life (assuming that I live for even just a few years after I become eligible).
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