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Putin's Plans What need to learn from the collapse of the Soviet Union is the process not the event. There was no single event that dismantled the Soviet Union, but an invasion of western ideas, western culture, and economic instability created by a lack of regional controls. Eroding governments are subjected to this. It's a worldwide phenomenon and the primary cause of almost all conflicts. Russia and Putin understand this as not a conspiracy or intent but a more simple fact of life.. It took from 1950 to 1990 for the invasion to be completed. Putin understands the need to insulate Russia from further deterioration by controlling it's own people through Nationalism. But more important Putin sees how with an intent and use of conspiracy it can be weaponized. A long term process to deteriorate ideas, cultures and economic stability to those who would do the same to him unintentionally. In regards to this .. if one HAD to choose the single greatest factor in the fall of the Soviet Union. It was an inside job primarily caused by the Ukraine. As we see the war in the Ukraine as a Russia expansion it really geo-political. Putin see this as a defense against an unintentional Russia collapse. It's a punishment to the Ukraine and a statement that the success of the Ukraine will not be able to do any further damage to Russia. The Ukraine is the ONLY former Soviet State that has that ability The success of the Ukraine as seen by Putin, means the demise of how he sees Russia. |
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It's a different tactic with US..but the same meaning.. What He was able to do to the Ukraine for 30 years. Chaos, instability, proaganda, corruption, infighting, regionalization, and economic control.. But most the people of the Ukraine began to understand what he was doing and fought back..He simply couldn't have them turn it around. How far they have come can be shown in the fight they are now putting up. But it's a Putin success either way it goes. Destroying the Ukraine, if not mentally then physically. It will take away their abilities to impact Russia. I don't know if Trump was an unintentional or intentional pawn in Putin's game of geo-political chess. but Trump played it the same way.. The objective of making the unintentional appear intentional and the intentional appear unintentional
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The Republican party has bought into making the intentional appear unintentional.. It happens all the time.. For example Kansas will vote of a referendum about abortion on August 2nd.. the referendum is stated as restricting abortions in the State..referring mainly to prevent out of staters coming into Kansas to get an abortion. but it's real intent is to ban all abortions. People who believe all abortion should be banned in Kansas should vote yes. And everyone of them knows exactly what the referendum means.....but that's not what the referendum says. We will know how smart the people of Kansas have become about his way of doing politics. I have no problem with people voting yes who believe abortions should banned. My problem is with those who don't believe that but vote yes. Kansas already has 20 restrictions on abortion on the books. Including NO abortions after 20 weeks and parental consent needed for minors.
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There's an enormous amount of reality in that assessment. You deserve a lot of credit for seeing that as most Americans are clueless when it comes to international affairs. I understood why Obama didn't do much when Putin moved into Crimea. It got Europe's attention but there just wasn't the kind of support to do anything about it. It was the same thing when Putin moved during the Bush administration. But it was Crimea, and the lack of response, that troubled me the most. I have always opposed allowing Ukraine to join NATO. I still oppose it even after the all the horror Russia is doing now. For better or worse, Ukraine is a buffer and now it sure looks like the West will be spending billions of dollars as we pour military hardware in the country, perhaps for years. Trump set back strategic, and peaceful objectives, years. The only way out I see is Putin's death from cancer, or whatever appears to be his health struggle. I think it's a problem that will continue to spiral out of control over the long haul. The peace dividend is over now...it's going to be costly for democracies all over the world. The policy of containment, a policy I prefer, is still cheaper than a war. We just have to find a way to make containment cheaper...and that means not moving Ukraine into NATO...ever. It's an ugly compromise but I hope that's the deal the west takes. The alternative is just unthinkable.
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There's an enormous amount of reality in that assessment. You deserve a lot of credit for seeing that as most Americans are clueless when it comes to international affairs. I understood why Obama didn't do much when Putin moved into Crimea. It got Europe's attention but there just wasn't the kind of support to do anything about it. It was the same thing when Putin moved during the Bush administration. But it was Crimea, and the lack of response, that troubled me the most. I have always opposed allowing Ukraine to join NATO. I still oppose it even after the all the horror Russia is doing now. For better or worse, Ukraine is a buffer and now it sure looks like the West will be spending billions of dollars as we pour military hardware in the country, perhaps for years. Trump set back strategic, and peaceful objectives, years. The only way out I see is Putin's death from cancer, or whatever appears to be his health struggle. I think it's a problem that will continue to spiral out of control over the long haul. The peace dividend is over now...it's going to be costly for democracies all over the world. The policy of containment, a policy I prefer, is still cheaper than a war. We just have to find a way to make containment cheaper...and that means not moving Ukraine into NATO...ever. It's an ugly compromise but I hope that's the deal the west takes. The alternative is just unthinkable. The defeat of Putin can not be found on the battlefield..or not even in his death. What we should have learned about Trump impeachment in regards to the Ukriane. The attempt to connect Hunter Biden and Joe Biden to the corruption of their energy commission, 2018.....Corruption continues to plague Ukraine’s energy sector. Despite the success of reforms to its state-owned gas company, Naftogaz, rampant corruption in regional distribution companies and elsewhere prevents Ukraine’s energy sector from realizing its potential. Coupled with the Russian assault on energy security in the form of Nord Stream 2, Ukraine finds itself at a crossroads: will it continue on the reformist path toward energy independence, or will its energy sector once again become defined by corruption? Ukraine since 1990 has been seeking independence from Russian energy and influence. Ukraine became an Observer to the Energy Community Treaty in November 2006 and a full Member in September 2010, and has begun adopting and implementing the energy acquis, namely the legislative frameworks for the electricity and gas sectors and requirements in the areas of renewable energy, competition and the environment. What happen in 2018 was the success the Ukraine had (without Nato's help) to try and secure it's own energy soveignty. Coupling that with the election of Zelensky did not bode well for Russia. Not admitting Ukraine to NATO has always been the fear of Russian influence, similar to what Russia now employs in Turkey. Until 2018 NATO was absolutely right.. Russia fear of Ukraine joining NATO has never been about military defense.. It's been about economic and political defense. That is what this war is about.
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Joining Nato is crucial to the defeat of Russia and Putin. It has nothing to do with military support, or world war conflict. It is a symbolism for Ukraine sovereignty. A safety net for Ukraine sovereignty, and the final straw to it's independence from Russia. Politically Russia fears no nation on this planet more than they do the Ukraine.. This war and it's propaganda not only prevents the success of the Ukraine. but also is a propaganda window, so the Russian people can hate the Ukraine as much as the Ukraine will hate them. This is not just a Russian Strategy it's a Republican stategy fot the US politics.....Democrats are the Republican's "Ukraine".
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Putin and Trump were almost cut from the same mold..except Putin is a lot smarter. It's the difference between .. the "Rascal rabbit" Putin and "Donald the duck" Trump It's the difference between Strawbery Preserves and Orange Marmalade It's the difference between Hitler and Mussolini.
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Exactly!!! Well said, Jiminy~~~
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People don't quite understand the difference in politics between short terms gains and long term successes. It will be Russia's downfall, as it has been for the most successful countries.. It will also become America's downfall. It many cases it already is. Russia, in the short term, has already won the War in the Ukraine. The Ukraine has been a thorn in Russia's side. They tried to get rid of the thorn bush, but settled for the short term gain of getting rid of the thorns. Russia's downfall is that they think they get rid of the thorns again when the bush grows them back. but, in time the thorns will grow back stronger..And Russia will have become weaker. In America..it really doesn't matter your political party, it's the same..Republican gains from their manipulations and lying will come back to haunt them.. It already to some extent has. Liberals believe they can cure hunger poverty and healthcare..by robbing the rich and giving to the poor. It's just a short term gain..for what are the poor and hungry going to do when there are no more rich to rob. In both case , each feels they can deal with the future when it happens. by the same means they deal with the present. but like Climate Change when it happens it will be too late.
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People think guns are the problem...and gun control the solution. It just a Short term gain.. In truth it's not about guns.. It's about band-aids and bayonets.
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There's an enormous amount of reality in that assessment. You deserve a lot of credit for seeing that as most Americans are clueless when it comes to international affairs. I understood why Obama didn't do much when Putin moved into Crimea. It got Europe's attention but there just wasn't the kind of support to do anything about it. It was the same thing when Putin moved during the Bush administration. But it was Crimea, and the lack of response, that troubled me the most. I have always opposed allowing Ukraine to join NATO. I still oppose it even after the all the horror Russia is doing now. For better or worse, Ukraine is a buffer and now it sure looks like the West will be spending billions of dollars as we pour military hardware in the country, perhaps for years. Trump set back strategic, and peaceful objectives, years. The only way out I see is Putin's death from cancer, or whatever appears to be his health struggle. I think it's a problem that will continue to spiral out of control over the long haul. The peace dividend is over now...it's going to be costly for democracies all over the world. The policy of containment, a policy I prefer, is still cheaper than a war. We just have to find a way to make containment cheaper...and that means not moving Ukraine into NATO...ever. It's an ugly compromise but I hope that's the deal the west takes. The alternative is just unthinkable. When the West talks about values that have to be defended, the people start asking what those values are. Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi
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To understand this current war, one has to know the European history and the role of Russia that is part of it. Ukraine is the center of Western and Russian interests. The usual regime change strategies won't work. And, by the way, Putin has no health issues..... no bomb carpets flatten the "attacked country". The only way to end the war is to get intensive diplomatic talks under way. All the sanctions only harm the people in western Europe, mainly in Germany. New alliances are evolving around the world which are not interested in global transformation and cancel culture, etc. When the West talks about values that have to be defended, the people start asking what those values are. The idea that by not joining Nato the Ukraine remains a "buffer zone" for the West is not primary.. The Ukraine is the primary buffer zone for Russia.. the Ukraine can not fall to the West and Russia remain Russia. The lost of influence in the Ukraine for Russia was tantamount to their own suicide. The war boots the Ukraine influence on Russia to the future. the Ukraine is not going to come out of this war for some time. For the time being becomes a burden to the West instead of an influence on Russia. If the Ukraine gets back on their feet again.. They will again be the target. Russia deals with the West in an entirely different way. What Russia does that appears to be offensive is really defensive and what Russia does to the West that appears to be defensive is really offensive.
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