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jiminycricket1 74M
5508 posts
11/18/2021 6:20 am
THE TRUTH


Of course, it's about the Truth and how one goes about determining that..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/18/2021 6:44 am

WE know these Truths to be self-evident
Do We NOW?
The times have changed everything.....FLIP!
The Truth isn't what you tell
The Truth is what you hear

Growing up, in our past, we were FORCED to learn what the truth is..From the hot stove, to mathematics..It was about truth.. From relationships and love we learned about truth..From morality to criminality we learn the truth. We didn't need to "understand" the Truth.. We knew the Truth, the Truth needs no understanding.. understanding is the the truth. The Truth wasn't Optional, It wasn't alternatives. It wasn't Choices. The Truth was self-evident
Opinions weren't true, Accusations weren't true, equivocations weren't true, and other people couldn't just create the Truth. Part truth weren't whole truths and part lies weren't all lies.
Truth isn't what it isn't.
Now we get to build it back better, a better treadmill/spinning wheel. Modern and new that takes less effort....but still goes nowhere.
You want my truth.......
Trump may personify it..but since the sixties.. the truth has deteriorate until its almost gone now.. It doesn't have to be the truth anymore...And our future can NEVER get it back..
As you try to save our Democracy....believing there are two sides.. There is only one.. Democracy REQUIRES Truth.. We destroyed our Democracy way before Trump.
We built the Bomb...and Trump set it off.
There were always idiots who would believe him...but in truth..What makes it work is the idiots that don't believe him, and believe they HEAR and create their own truth.
My friends... your truth is just spittin in the wind.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/18/2021 11:18 am

It's not about the liar and the corrupt...They have always been with us. it's about you not them

This is not a party politic thing.. Too many people do it now..

A liberal determines that a ring wing lie is evidence of their truth.. It isn't

I'm not picking on you... you have done it here..As most of the other people have.
You believe stuff is true.. so it becomes true..
You or I don't get to decide what is the truth...The truth needs no decision..as soon as you think have a choice to make it..You prove its not the truth..It only could be a truth.

We need to bound by those thing we know to be a truth. It's sets the standards for the truth.

We have been brainwashed to not know what those things are.. to not be certain what those things are. To question what those things are.

The base of truth for most will the same.. If everybody used it the same..

So for you..read what you said again.. The truth needs to be the whole truth. the truth needs to be backed up by the evidence... I am not saying you are lying, but not a single thing you said is the truth. You have two choices with what you think here. You are espousing a base truth that doesn't exist or a base truth that does exist.
i hope the choice of the truth you are making is based on something that doesn't exist..because if does...you will never be able to correct it... and it's really bad. Unspecified corruption.. and conspiracies without direct evidence.. labeling and absolute negativity...What does it say about your base truth?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/18/2021 12:03 pm

I have some facebook friends who I haven't spent time with in person for many years. One of them, who was my best friend in my early adult years, started posting pre-packaged lies. She is very volatile, probably one reason we grew apart....At first, I let the misinformation slide.....didn't want to be the picky over-thinker I'm accused of being......But then came a lie that could actually wreak damage and I carefully broached the topic .....I carefully worded my rebuke, expressing my confusion because I knew that unless she had lost her mind in the intervening 30 years, she knew very well that she was spreading toxic lies.

She immediately conceded that they were lies, but she posts them because she wants them to be true.........I started looking back on who she was during our friendship, which included a couple of years of sharing a house.......My memories said that she was a follower of rules rather than a seeker of truth ..I remembered my role as arbitrator between her and others....including her mother and her husband......I was the middle child in a large family, I fell easily into arbitration.........But I remembered that my friend very often based her responses to people on what she imagined they thought, rather than what they said......and once she had decided what a person thought about her, it was set in stone.........I'm just trying to understand the psychology of this creeping phenomena.......

I think of my Jehovah Witness family....who resisted and who fell for the fantasy....How their thinking changed and what characteristics made them vulnerable to the lies.......Or I think of my friends, many of them I still interact with, who are absolutely convinced of supernatural woo-woo....who don't care to distinguish between science and woo.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/18/2021 12:40 pm

I have a brother-in-law who was in a cult for most of his adulthood....the Emissaries Of Divine Light.....starting at 19.....He stayed until they disbanded, over 30 years.....During that time, he managed to set up a visit with us only a few times.....He worked very hard but received no salary....his basic needs were met.....As they worked, the many loudspeakers preached the spiritual benefits of subservience......He has no interest in the psychology of cults, he hides his past as if he had committed a heinous crime and was in prison all his life......He spends most of his time swallowing conspiracy theories.....I met him when he was 16....my husband's youngest brother.......He would come spend the night with us at our beach house and wander all night stoned on mushrooms ....He really wanted to find a tree that had been struck by lightning so he could make a magic drum out of it.....He finally found one and ended up destroying it because he neglected to research how to do it.....what tools he needed, acquiring the tools, learning how to use the tools..

My 16 year old grandson who has wanted to be a scientist since he was 2, shakes his head at all the flakes he has in his blood-line......But there is no indication in DNA studies, that says that anyone is genetically pre-disposed to believing lies......Nature or Nurture.......There is a man in my community who has a blue face, from dosing himself daily with Colloidal Silver......he will always have a blue face......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/18/2021 4:50 pm

    Quoting  :

Obviously you have an authority problem
I am not saying you are wrong.. just not truthful.....
I'm saying I found the perfect women for you to marry,
Sparkles friend......"My memories said that she was a follower of rules rather than a seeker of truth"
However.. Good LucK with that! LOL

Party on


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/18/2021 5:01 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I have a brother-in-law who was in a cult for most of his adulthood....the Emissaries Of Divine Light.....starting at 19.....He stayed until they disbanded, over 30 years.....During that time, he managed to set up a visit with us only a few times.....He worked very hard but received no salary....his basic needs were met.....As they worked, the many loudspeakers preached the spiritual benefits of subservience......He has no interest in the psychology of cults, he hides his past as if he had committed a heinous crime and was in prison all his life......He spends most of his time swallowing conspiracy theories.....I met him when he was 16....my husband's youngest brother.......He would come spend the night with us at our beach house and wander all night stoned on mushrooms ....He really wanted to find a tree that had been struck by lightning so he could make a magic drum out of it.....He finally found one and ended up destroying it because he neglected to research how to do it.....what tools he needed, acquiring the tools, learning how to use the tools..

    My 16 year old grandson who has wanted to be a scientist since he was 2, shakes his head at all the flakes he has in his blood-line......But there is no indication in DNA studies, that says that anyone is genetically pre-disposed to believing lies......Nature or Nurture.......There is a man in my community who has a blue face, from dosing himself daily with Colloidal Silver......he will always have a blue face......
Thank you for a pertinent comment.. about people you know...

The truth is based on how well we know the truth..How solid our base truth is and how we extrapolate from that..
a metaphorical example..
If I jump off the Empire State Building .. I will die....

How do I know that? So it's an absolute truth

When there is no way that is an absolute truth unless i do it..?????
Unless i actually do it without a parachute... or can fly....or God doesn't want me to..and I would be whisk away before I hit the ground
Or maybe I would just hurt myself badly.
Or I know someone who SAID they did it and lived.
Maybe everyone else would die.. but I don't know if i will..because I'm special

WTF? If i jump off the Empire State building.. I will die..
WTF? don't you understand.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/19/2021 3:15 pm

    Quoting  :

well... you can take it..
I imagine i am not the first and will not be the last..

Which again brings me to the point.
There is no way it is true that you are a Liar..
My nice way .. was my way of saying i don't believe it..At least not the way other people can do.
I'm one that can't hear a lie....you can only tell me one..your lie is up to you.. not up to me..
I also believe that ignorance...like insanity, make you not responsible... LMAO
Party ON.