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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
9/23/2021 6:30 am
How Democracy is suppose to work..?


In Washington DC.. has always been deal making.. Quid Pro Quo..'s not the best way.. but sometimes it is needed make a deal and get things done.

Trump claims be the master of deal making.. He is many things, but if being a master of Lies, a Master manipulator..A master of getting something for nothing..If that Is a master deal maker so be ..

Trump has changed Washington for the worst IT possibly could be.. What was once Quid Pro quo.. became the use of leverage 2 get what you .. One sided deals that tries 2 get you something for nothing.

I talk about falling into the trap....

IT is painstaking for me see Progressives... try 2 use leverage..
my reaction is immediate and negative..

That is NOT how democracy is suppose 2 wor


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/23/2021 6:52 am

It hard to imagine.. that people in power cant' see it.. that the media can praise progressives for that kind of stance..
It ironic for me to see Trump supporters..ignore the obvious...
Yet in the same vain.... Watch Progressive agree with it..so they too, can ignore the obvious. All or nothing works in an Autocracy... not in a Democracy..
It seems if anything goes... if you think your right..and the stupid people agree to it..
Then If anything goes.. right or wrong doesn't mean anything.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/23/2021 7:15 am

The progressive ideas to not vote for or hold back the bi-Partisan infrastructure agreement..It's Trumpism at work.
The idea that progressive can compete with Trump..Is tantamount to accepting...His destroying our democracy.
Progressive can't do it the same way.. it will backfire on them, as a failure to perform it.. The progressive ideas to not vote for or hold back the bi-Partisan infrastructure agreement..It's Trumpism at work.
The idea that progressive can compete with Trump..Is tantamount to accepting...His destroying our democracy.
Progressive can't do it the same way.. it will backfire on them, as a failure to perform it.. but not as failure to be able to do it.

The Texas abortion law will fail.. it's an front to the law.. It is wacko... Of course , the idea that it will fail may seem important, but not to me.....what important is not it's failure.. It is that any legislative body could even imagine such a law in America. It's failure will not prevent, It's cause...and it cause it not how democracy is suppose to work..
Voting restrictions do the same thing..more subtle but no less wacko.

My new standard for representation is to not vote for anyone who chooses to use leverage..That is designed to gain something for nothing... that doesn't build but destroys. that says all or nothing...

The Texas abortion law will fail.. it's an front to the law.. It is wacko... Of course , the idea that it will fail may seem important, but not to me.....what important is not it's failure.. It is that any legislative body could even imagine such a law in America.
It's failure will not prevent, the cause...and it's cause it not how democracy is suppose to work..
Voting restrictions do the same thing..more subtle but no less wacko.

My new standard for representation is to not vote for anyone who chooses to use leverage..That is designed to gain something for nothing... that doesn't build but destroys. that says all or nothing..


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/23/2021 9:09 am

I'm disgusted with what I see as well. In theory I do not oppose the filibuster. I think it can be really important to force deeper conversation and debate. I've listened to enough debates in the senate to appreciate the institution and those debates. I've been persuaded more than once. It's a good thing when someone wins you over because nobody knows it all. it's also a good thing to warn other leaders of mistakes they are about to make and the consequences of those mistakes. The senate is a critical institution for this country. Unfortunately it is broken, perhaps hopelessly.

There is nothing more important that giving the people votes on what matters. It matters that votes are conducted on legislation, and also on appointments. But it is subversive to thwart votes to the point where the minority ends up with all the power to subvert. Republican senator McConnell has abused the filibuster, and now others are following suit, Hawley, Cruz and trust me, when McConnell is gone John Barasso is jockeying for his job. This would become a catastrophe for the country. It's going to matter what that caucus decides to do. I don't think they will opt for a deal maker, they are on the hunt for an asshole.

It's just sad Cricket. I'll listen to the opposition...but congress simply wont. We may have to just spend the rest of our retirement watching it all fall apart. Trump is going to go all in on vengeance, and the country is going to lose a lot. I'm worried, really worried. We are tipping over, not falling back into sensible governance. Americans are being kicked around by right wing thugs who could care less about democracy.


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/23/2021 9:25 am

I don't think progressives have ever wanted to 'burn it down', not like the republicans want to do. They've won a lot and made enormous differences in the lives of millions. I get wanting to get it all now because we've waited to long to act already and the dynamics are worsening. But now progressives cannot risk it all. I don't think they will. The mistake progressives are making is assuming Americans will bail on the agenda if they don't get it all. America won't. Americans want consistent progress that solves real problems. As long as that happens Americans will live with it.....the problems are the lies that come from the other side. The propaganda problem is having a devastating effect.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/23/2021 10:48 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    I don't think progressives have ever wanted to 'burn it down', not like the republicans want to do. They've won a lot and made enormous differences in the lives of millions. I get wanting to get it all now because we've waited to long to act already and the dynamics are worsening. But now progressives cannot risk it all. I don't think they will. The mistake progressives are making is assuming Americans will bail on the agenda if they don't get it all. America won't. Americans want consistent progress that solves real problems. As long as that happens Americans will live with it.....the problems are the lies that come from the other side. The propaganda problem is having a devastating effect.
Progressives don't want to burn it.. but neither do Republicans.. It's not the intent, but the results..

It's the means that is destructive not the ends.

There is a different way to fight it.. than jumping in to the fire.

The objective of Democracy is let the people decide.. but people aren't deciding on the truth.. they are deciding on lies and the ends..

For instance the bi-partisan infrastucture should stand alone.. People need to see where their Representative stand.. DACA and not immigration needs to stand alone.. people need to know where they stand.. Banning abortion need to stand alone.

You don't put out the fire, by adding fire.. you put out the fire by getting rid of the fire starters.. removing the fuel.

There are Representative in Congress who have NO BUSINESS being there.. They are fire starters..
People need to realize who they are..Progressives and the far Right are not immune to starting fires.

The idea that they are a Democrat or Republican.. save them.. We don't need "labels' to protection for them.. We may not be able to prevent it... As those Democrats or Republicans aren't the ones that need to be convinced,.
Opposition doesn't need to be convinced..
Republicans need to be convince about other Republicans and Democrats need to be convinced about other Democrats. Republican are now doing that.. that is their NEW focus.. but instead of the truth using Lies..It's setting up their negative ads.. when campaign time comes

You don't get what's happening Now....Social media.. and selling information and allowing misinformation .. Where once the objective was to radicalize your own based.. for their support.... It's changing..

Republicans are now gathering voting information on Democrats and independents who vote for certain Democrats.. Instead of feeding misinformation to their own supporters..They are now using social media for misinformation directly targeting certain Democrat Representative voters.

I see it in Kansas with Sharice Davis.... I voted for her..and now I am being specifically targeted with misinformation about her.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/23/2021 11:02 am

Want to see if I'm right..I am sure Virginia will a be a targeted state.. Be careful of any political site. I am pretty certain I was "catfished".. by a site that allegedly supported Sharice Davis.

Go on social media....... And say i voted for you BUT........
see what happens.


dusty17 73M
499 posts
9/23/2021 11:11 am

Democracy is an illusion in the USA ...

You wrote a blog about the the will of the people ... the hundreds of Bills piled up on Mitch McConnell's desk, blocked by McConnel to protect his prima donnas in the Senate from having to go on record with recorded vote.

Trump was entitled to two Supreme Court Nominations according to the Constitution ... not three. Trump got three because because Mitch McConnell had the biggest hammer.

Dems got the hammer now and I say go for it ...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/23/2021 11:57 am

    Quoting dusty17:
    Democracy is an illusion in the USA ...

    You wrote a blog about the the will of the people ... the hundreds of Bills piled up on Mitch McConnell's desk, blocked by McConnel to protect his prima donnas in the Senate from having to go on record with recorded vote.

    Trump was entitled to two Supreme Court Nominations according to the Constitution ... not three. Trump got three because because Mitch McConnell had the biggest hammer.

    Dems got the hammer now and I say go for it ...
Yes... SMASH Democracy!

Yes the Republicans started it.. but it is the Democrats that are going to finish it

I am tired of this shit..It just makes me constipated.

The democrats are in control.. but somehow you don't see how it's control that is the problem..
of course McConnell is not going put up for votes that which republicans will lose votes by voting against..
How is Pelosi and Shummer different?

How many votes are being taken that will go down because of Republicans? How can McConnell protect them then..
Yes Democrats are in control.. And what they control is not the issues. but the votes, Just like McConnell. I'm tired of that shit..
If a progressive wants to vote against the bi partisan infrastructure bill.. force them to pay the consequences.. If a republican wants to vote against the bi-partisan infrastructure bill force them and McConnel to pay the consequences.
We need to know who those people are!


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/24/2021 7:01 am

I've always been a strong advocate of just 'voting'. I agree with the separate vote strategy....I'm tired of saying that. But I can't argue with getting rid of the fire starters. But I don't see how that happens. Serious concern needs to be given on the rules.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/24/2021 8:17 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    I've always been a strong advocate of just 'voting'. I agree with the separate vote strategy....I'm tired of saying that. But I can't argue with getting rid of the fire starters. But I don't see how that happens. Serious concern needs to be given on the rules.
The truth get rid of them.. not the truth that needs explanation.. the truth that is shown..
I'm writing a new blog.. maybe you'll get , maybe you won't but it explains it.

It only rains .. when it's raining