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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
8/22/2021 9:29 am
The HOW and Politics


I talk about the HOW as the most important things..

It's not a door to open .. but a window to see through.
The mistakes of the HOW can come the same from both doing it right and doing it wrong
This idea combines both politics and the well meaning.. The well meaning sometime can be the worst kind of politics.
I see it all over the place.

Afghanistan...and Biden...
This is the a major screw up of the well meaning..
Americans simply don't know how to give up and give in.

I have two issues with it..If Biden played both the well-meaning and political card.. He would had US out of Afghanistan in less than week.. the other shit we are talking about now.. would have let the chips fall where they may. It was not the intent to SAVE the people there. it was to Save America. Just like the well meaning, will screw up the other "Big LIE".....not letting Liar get away with it.. but let the believers get away with it
People need to be responsible for themselves. they had every opportunity to do so.

It was a lie perpetrated on US and Afghanistan from the beginning..

How do i know that? Well, We are evacuating Afghans who fought for US. We promised them? And it was all a Lie .
Biden, is being well meaning at the detriment of his politics to even TRY to get them out... We deal with Lies in this country all the time...Who is responsible?..The teller or the believer.

The lie we told the Afghans..is they were fighting for US..and we would protect them.
Most Afghans understood the Lie.. Some use it with their own corruption, Some used it for their own immediate advantage.... but there were NOT very many who actually believe it.. but that didn't prevent from using that promise NOW.
Biden has no hope of disentangling US from the LIE.. he should have ran away from it as fast as as he could.. but he's trying and that alone makes him well-meaning.

Politically he just should have packed our bags , in the night and escaped. Politically the fallout from that would have been a hell of lot different and far more defensible.. and had a much shorter news life. Instead his well-meaning became his trap. There is no doubt in my mind that Biden is well-meaning. when only well-meaning can explain it.. Think about .. no other alternative can explain it... that would be well-meaning..
Sometime well-meaning..get in the way when LIES are involved
It's was just another BIG Lie entanglement.. that well-meaning can not solve.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/22/2021 10:08 am

So what I have told you.. That you think is the BIG LIE..Do you know?

"The lie we told the Afghans..is they were fighting for US..and we would protect them."

Of course , very few of you see it. because you think it's true.. It was NOT true for US and it was NOT true for the Afghan..

Your so fricken elitist and so fricken stupid.. if you think the Afghan were fighting FOR US. and for most part they weren't even fighting WITH US...What they should have been doing and what we should have told them...is they were fighting for themselves.
They knew the lie.. because very few of them really were.. or it wouldn't have ended the way it did.
Those that were fighting for themselves and Afghanistan are still fighting. The battle may be lost but not the war..

Cutting and running may not be our style, but it is the style of those we take with US
The" BIG LIE" that plays to those who have no integrity, no honor, and NO COUNTRY.. Afghan were NEVER fighting FOR US then.. they are fighting WITH US now... And they will be fighting AGAINST US tomorrow.. The trained old dogs can't be taught new tricks, Except When we allow them to believe they can be on the winning side and it's not ours
WE should understand that very well. we deal with it everyday

WE have every right to stop helping people who refuse to help themselves. Who instead believe they are helping themselves to US.


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
8/22/2021 3:25 pm

Well I'm still reserving judgment on all this. I do agree with your sentiment however. It would have been nice to leave in the middle of the night. But, Biden was trying to sneak out of there on the cheap and it failed spectacularly. Should he have known better? Yep. He should have listened to the many, many others who were urging him to leave a footprint there, a bigger one than we had, for a lot longer. I think we are going to have to go back. When I don't know. If we can successfully get everyone out we should let the bombs speak the last words and cripple that government....right? I don't know but its a hell of a mess.


waywardwind302 78M

8/22/2021 7:30 pm

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    Well I'm still reserving judgment on all this. I do agree with your sentiment however. It would have been nice to leave in the middle of the night. But, Biden was trying to sneak out of there on the cheap and it failed spectacularly. Should he have known better? Yep. He should have listened to the many, many others who were urging him to leave a footprint there, a bigger one than we had, for a lot longer. I think we are going to have to go back. When I don't know. If we can successfully get everyone out we should let the bombs speak the last words and cripple that government....right? I don't know but its a hell of a mess.
wow, the first time. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH U. THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT COMMENT HERE


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/23/2021 7:07 am

I read an article today from a man who served in Afghanistan.....what he said was that The Afghan army was a jobs program supported by US.. It was people looking for jobs, not people wanting to fight for their country.

Need i say more, of the results of both good intentions, and propaganda, that create the big Lie

The troubles with Afghanistan is our creation...and it's time we look in the mirror..WE say we believe in Democracy, but don't have a clue of what that is

It is and has been elitists. Defined, by wealth, nationality, race, an
political parties.. It has been fostered by perceptions, that don't deal with reality.
We don't do what we say.. We don't live according to it's principles. We define democracy as "AMERICAN" DEMOCRACY a bastardization of the word Democracy.. WE Lie to ourselves. because we live here, Like our system of Democracy , "may not be perfect, but it's the best the world has to offer." WTF..does that mean?

Democracy.....In truth and in lie...and the hypocrisy of..."We the People" have the ability to change things. That falsehoods, propaganda, and false perception. PREVENT

Right and Left .. "They" talk about doing what's best for Afghanistan..Like YOU get to decide.. You have no specifics goal that aren't self serving.. Think about about it.. What do you want to see in Afghanistan?...how do you want Afghanistan to be? Do you have the right?
WE gave Afghanistan the thing we can.. we opened the door for them to change thing...but we did it with twenty years of fighting, propaganda and Lies, and OUR authority to PERMIT what would happen.
In that patriarchal and misogynist society, it never really stood a chance.
For the Afghan people, who were not women..It was only a choice between the frying pan and the fire.

Think about it... Then think about what Democracy actually means

After you do that ..then connect the dots.. to our own troubles.

Very few understanding that avoiding the truth, only gets you slapped down... .Perceptions and propaganda only can go so far..

I don't have to prove to YOU I am right.. I am confident the TRUTH will.. whatever it is.