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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
7/6/2021 9:58 am
Why no Vaccines.?.


Of course, for most there is a risk benefit assessment..
But there is an underlying reason for not taking the vaccine, despite the risk/benefit..

One can apply the risk/benefit to other things..beside the vaccine.. that void one's reasoning.. No matter how much we accentuate the benefits, for most, it won't wor They have been there done that..But WHY?

Most of the people, i know..who are NOT vaccinated.. appear to be more into "control" than they are benefits. they apply their lack of control of other aspects, especially government.. To the vaccine.. they see the vaccine as government control. It's more a revolt against government control....almost everyone of them doesn't believe in our government. They feel they have been burnt too much by government control..
For most of them government control is a "conspiracy" against them. White Supremacists, religious fanatics, pro lifers, climate deniers. even some people of color.. They see our government conspiring against them.

Most are Trump supporters for the same reason.. Vaccines and Trump hold the same ideas... they epitomize... the fight against a society and government they don't support...
The action of electing Trump, and some other Republicans,......and not taking the vaccine.... gives these people some semblance of control despite the risk/benefit... In a country, and In a world they believe is out of control. A false choice.. When the only thing that is out of control is THEIR own LIFE

For all of them.. risk and benefit.. has very little to do with it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
7/6/2021 11:51 am

It's obvious the benefit outweigh the risks, for any reasonable person.
When reason doesn't apply ....one must look at the unreasonable.

It's lies.. without a reason
It's a conspiracy..without conspirators

These are catchalls for these people... No matter how you may try to influence them to do the reasonable thing..They will always believe.. you are lying and part of a conspiracy to "control" them.

They are people who must Reap what they Sow
They are people that will NEVER see how we are trying to protect them instead of control them... We actually care about them.. or our action would be much different...Actions like how they don't care about US.
They are people...that because we care.. will take US down with them
They are people that can't be reasoned with..

Evolution was designed for the survival of the fittest.. Yet, We have protected the unfit. People that do Not believe in reason and truth..
We must let evolution do it's work, and save ourselves
And say F*CK THEM!. and put them to sleep in the bed they make.....This world will be a better place without them.
99% of the people who die from Covid are unvaccinated in the US....My obligation to them, through this pandemic is over. Our government needs to drop it .convincing them to do the right thing, needs to be over.. Let them believe what the want.....and reap what they sow.
They will get no sympathy from me. My sympathy goes to over 500,000 that didn't have a choice.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/6/2021 12:12 pm

Yup.....they conflate refusing the vaccine to exercising their God-given freedom......which they see as patriotic.....They see their participation in a free society in terms of individualism rather than responsibility to the whole.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
7/6/2021 1:47 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yup.....they conflate refusing the vaccine to exercising their God-given freedom......which they see as patriotic.....They see their participation in a free society in terms of individualism rather than responsibility to the whole.
Yup...They just can't understand how someone can be an individual and still be part of a collective.. Yet, they can't stand alone.. they need a some collective agreement to survive.. they are cowards, hypocrites, irrational, and unpatriotic....Yet, they are sane, which makes it even worse... because the truly insane would not give a shit about what anyone else thinks.. the insane actually do believe in individualism and standing alone..But they are both equally irrational.
It's the hypocrisy that makes the difference....they believe the only way not to be controlled.. is to control.


DeeDeeM 67F

7/6/2021 3:33 pm

Why Do You care Since yOU Got The
Fauci Ouchie-You’re Protected?? Right?
Lol Yea Right lol


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
7/6/2021 5:09 pm

It's a shame a vaccine made to protect people against the effects of such a deadly disease should become so controversial. I tend to agree/makes sense that many anti-vaxxers resist the Covid vaccine out of revolt against Government controls for the reasons you've outlined/that the Govt conspires against them. That it's more a matter of perception than fact.


myseek1 80F
1376 posts
7/6/2021 6:49 pm

One other reason for not taking those specific vaccines, may be the fact that they have not been tested over some years (usually 5 years plus) and that they are mRNA vaccines. There are risks that should not be neglected, and not everybody wants to be a guinea pig. When a doctor prescribes a drug you get normally the information about possible side effects/after effects. Those people lining up to be vaccinated believe to get their freedom back........ There are very controversial opinions among scientists.......

Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/6/2021 6:58 pm

    Quoting DeeDeeM:
    Why Do You care Since yOU Got The
    Fauci Ouchie-You’re Protected?? Right?
    Lol Yea Right lol
600,000 not enough for you?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
7/7/2021 12:05 am

    Quoting myseek1:
    One other reason for not taking those specific vaccines, may be the fact that they have not been tested over some years (usually 5 years plus) and that they are mRNA vaccines. There are risks that should not be neglected, and not everybody wants to be a guinea pig. When a doctor prescribes a drug you get normally the information about possible side effects/after effects. Those people lining up to be vaccinated believe to get their freedom back........ There are very controversial opinions among scientists.......
"Those people lining up to be vaccinated believe to get their freedom back...."

My gosh that just proves my point.....Freedom may have something to do with it for YOU... not me.. For me.. it's removing the dread..that has haunted me for over a year and half..but during that time.. I always had my freedom.
My dread is over about me, about you and about US ..(Still got a twinged of it for the rest of world, but not for US)

You believe what you want to believe...Like i do.. but my belief is based on fact and experience.. Yours is based on supposition, assumptions and accusations.
Why do you assume things not in evidence.. When the evidence is clear...
You could believe it in January, February, March, and April..and take a wait and see attitude. But in June and July the wait should be over..
Any response that differs is just bullshit...And the wait and see.. will NEVER be seen.
It's appropriate that those who pretend to make up someone's accountability.. get slapped down with their own accountability..
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
7/7/2021 12:21 am

    Quoting lilium6:
    It's a shame a vaccine made to protect people against the effects of such a deadly disease should become so controversial. I tend to agree/makes sense that many anti-vaxxers resist the Covid vaccine out of revolt against Government controls for the reasons you've outlined/that the Govt conspires against them. That it's more a matter of perception than fact.
It is a matter of a choice of perception.. The true irony of it...is even if it was possible they were right.. Which it is not..
But even if it was possible...My perception of it..Would be I'm better off living in "dark" about it.
This is not a new phenomenon.. if they are right.. we've been living in the dark about it for 200 years..and Those years weren't as bad..as what they are heading Us to.
What those people choose to believe...is their cure...... that's worst than the disease.


TxJW002 81M

7/7/2021 2:44 pm

When relatives got the virus and friends were falling dead around me I decided to be first in line for a vaccine if it became available.
Today there seems to be more dying from covid than from taking the shot so I may have made the right decision. Without that vaccine I might have been in hell by now. LOL
Party On!


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
7/7/2021 3:20 pm

It is a matter of a choice of perception..


Yes, choice of perception and how 'the eye sees only what it's prepared to comprehend'. Food for thought (am speaking to self).


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/7/2021 9:22 pm


"Yup...They just can't understand how someone can be an individual and still be part of a collective"


This reminds me of my father, who was a Scandinavian type Socialist. He was having a conversation (his favourite sport) about politics. The other person brought up China and how they all wore identical clothes....The Indigo dyed pants and jackets and that people could not express their individuality. My father argued passionately that the opposite was true......that it was easy and shallow to assume that one's individuality was represented by the outer shell of garments, but more profound and challenging it was to discover one's uniqueness in a culture where everyone looked so similar on the surface........He would then bring up the business attire of the Western cultures......