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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
11/21/2020 6:44 am
Moral integrity


Personally I find the term moral integrity to be an oxymoron.. they are equal terms.. morals are integrity and integrity is morals... but other people don't see it that way. So I can't explain it unless I put the two terms together and then separate them..

Morals reflect certain lines one will not cross and moral things are different for different people. Those things are not as obvious as we believe.. In fact, most of Us don't even know what those things are, unless we have confronted with those choices. The idea of the immoral choice doesn't exist.. Having the choice itself becomes moral or amoral.. it's moral with integrity and amoral without it.

"Anything goes" is a misnomer.. for anyone who has morals. We all have lines we will not cross.. the integrity part about morals should go without saying.. If there are lines you will not cross.. then circumstance should not be able cross it...given your own 'Free will"

In the current circumstance of the pandemic and democratic elections. People believe they have a moral choice.. When, in fact, when one considers moral integrity..It's not really a choice

This isn't a Democrat and Republican thing. it's "a-moral" thing. Liberals can easily understand this about Republicans.. crossing lines they shouldn't cross. the hypocrisy of it...While Liberals will maintain they do not, do that.. When, in fact, the changing circumstances created by Republicans has done, to them, exactly that.
The change from Trump is not that America has become immoral.. He has exposed, that underlying its existence has always been, an amoral society. That there is a reality to the shining light on the Hill...that has never really included a moral principle.
That the greatest "fake news" and "alternative facts" has been perpetrated for two centuries.. that the "shining light on the hill" encompassed moral principles.
Trump has won..It's just a light now that doesn't shine.. The world has always noticed that.. but we are the fools that believe it. We believed it, because we knew it's what held US altogether.
It ain't coming back..
The shine on the light has been removed...But in the dawn of this 'new age".. We damn straight better find something to replace it ...or even the light will go out..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/21/2020 7:39 am

Let's say your morals included the idea that you would never kick a guy in the balls.
You might like to at times, but your morals say you should not do it.

i see this election thing different than most.. the ridiculousness of it, it's not so ridiculous when think of four years of Trump and what happened. it has happen every day and in every way,

Alright.... let me get back to the "ball kicking"

Moral integrity would mean you would Never kick someone in the balls.

but that's not what we have. We kick people in the balls all the time

You still assume morality if they kick you in the balls first.
You still maintain morality. if they kick one of your friend in the balls.
You still maintain your morality if they can kick anybody in the ball.
You can become 'justified" to do what you would like to do and kick them back in the balls. SOME of Us are like that.. but that's not where we are all at.

But here the rub as to where WE are at. iI's hard to maintain your own morality when you do it,, and the guilt of it, once it done.

What we allow to happen, and believe we can still maintain our own morality.. is have someone else do it for Us..Watch someone else do it to someone.. who we would have like to do it to., and then applaud the action.. This is what's happening to the morals of America. this is how Trump feeds the beast.
and creates an amoral society.
He convinces people someone else did it first.. which means it okay for him to do it. It doesn't matter if Democrats cheated.. if he can convince you they could have.. then it okay for him to it. No matter if it true or not.. next time he will have the justification and the excuse.. for him to do it.

If there is corruption in Washington Dc.. It okay for him to be corrupt.
If Hillary should be "locked up" and isn't, then he shouldn't be locked up.
If Obama and Biden uses institutions for their purposes against you .. then he should get to use them for his purposes "for" you
If the politicians make money from their title and office.. then he should not be condemned for doing it.

Finding ways to NOT take responsibility. Is an American way of life.. People play the "victim card". People play the "race card". People play the "poor" card.
Trump has spent his entire life.. finding ways, creating, and playing the "Get out of Jail Free Card"
Isn't it obvious that Trump life is a giant game of Monopoly" he HAS to win.. He has to be the last man standing. He will prevent you from passing GO. He will take your hotels and your property, He will destroy you from Mediteranean to Broadway. And you fools choose to "play his game".


Rentier2 79M
950 posts
11/21/2020 7:47 am

I play the victim card whenever it gets me something.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/21/2020 8:30 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    I play the victim card whenever it gets me something.
Yes...you do...
A victim of your own "wise ass"
Which is much better than being the victim of your own "dick"..
but then again not as good as being a victim of your own heart........

but then again... Although it may appears so... You CAN"T be victim of your own heart..Only the heartless can be victims...

Anyway.. I think the "something" you get is a FigNewton of your imagination.
may taste good.. but it gives you the shits..
Although... I must say.. I totally enjoy your "eating it" up.

Nothing i write is "serious".... i can't handle "serious".. I don't expect anything from it.. I find irony amusing... the more amusing, the more truthful it is..
For example.. I would gladly give You "America" You can have it.. But isn't that the silliest thing.. since you already are it.. but just don't know it.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/21/2020 9:48 am

The morals are the rules set up by society, the ideal value. Integrity is the individual's practical application of those values.in real-life situations even if no one is looking or holding you accountable....

Integrity assumes the intelligence and capacity for making choices that consider the effects of their actions on the well-being of others.

There are many monarchs in history who did not have the intellectual capacity to maintain integrity and were manipulated by overly ambitious underlings.......The idiot kings......


TxJW_8 81M

11/21/2020 10:00 pm

Like Hiram said ---the man died on the cross that our sins are taken care of in advance .
What works for him sure as hell should work for everyone else.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/22/2020 3:33 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    The morals are the rules set up by society, the ideal value. Integrity is the individual's practical application of those values.in real-life situations even if no one is looking or holding you accountable....

    Integrity assumes the intelligence and capacity for making choices that consider the effects of their actions on the well-being of others.

    There are many monarchs in history who did not have the intellectual capacity to maintain integrity and were manipulated by overly ambitious underlings.......The idiot kings......
We again arrived at the conflict of definitions. I understand yours.. can you understand mine? But first you need to do to understand is there is no right or wrong. I am not saying.. YOU ARE WRONG.

We can discuss what is a society and what are Moral rules? but that really will get us nowhere.

In my view, there is no Such thing as immorality. immorality is not an individual's judgement.. It's the judgment of others.
Morals , I believe, do not and should not conform to other people rules. Yet your version would be right.. because, in people's minds they do conform.

I always say you can't legislate morality.. morality is the last bastion of democracy. Authoritarians rule through sheer power that circumvents democracy.
It doesn't "destroy" Democracy. Democracy still exists it's just not applicable.
What "destroys" democracy is the church State that rules through controlling morality.

"Integrity is the individual's practical application of those values."

Is integrity the practical application of the "values" of other?.. Or one's own personal values. I believe it's the latter.

so in my mind..moral are one's own personal values and integrity is applying those values.. there is no real choice here.... You apply your morals or you don't.. So by definition.. if you don't apply your morals.. You don't have them.
For me .. moral integrity become an oxymoron.. morals don't exist without integrity. You just can't say you have morals.. you have to live them.

The idea of the "idiot king" is not destroying morals.. It's exposing that we are more like him, than we have been led to believe.. He exposes our LACK of morals..

Which throws me into a tailspin..Not because of his exposure.. Because now i have to question if it ever did exist.

Think of the opposite side of the coin.. about being in Love.. And having your lover tell you.. they don't love you ":anymore". I can't buy that.. the "anymore" Stuff.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/22/2020 3:48 am

    Quoting TxJW_8:
    Like Hiram said ---the man died on the cross that our sins are taken care of in advance .
    What works for him sure as hell should work for everyone else.
WTF/wrong with you?

You have to stop thinking like me..You have a reputation to uphold! LOL


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/22/2020 4:08 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    The morals are the rules set up by society, the ideal value. Integrity is the individual's practical application of those values.in real-life situations even if no one is looking or holding you accountable....

    Integrity assumes the intelligence and capacity for making choices that consider the effects of their actions on the well-being of others.

    There are many monarchs in history who did not have the intellectual capacity to maintain integrity and were manipulated by overly ambitious underlings.......The idiot kings......
Let me just add... "Free will" is a necessity in applying morals..as to whether or not they exist.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/22/2020 9:44 am

I don't perceive "morals" as a set of rules per se.......like commandments. To me. morals are based on harm......To do the least amount of harm. Morals are an abstraction. In the process of application to given life situations, a person requires the intellectual and emotional capacity to understand the consequences of one's actions.....that, to me, is integrity......


TxJW_8 81M

11/23/2020 3:15 pm

Morals are what christians tell everyone else they should have.