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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
11/4/2020 9:00 am
The election disaster


Well .. as Joe Biden squeaks this out and there is a legal battle..I keep referring back to my idea that this election was more about other things than winning or losing..Trump haters or Trump supporters, Democrats or republicans.. Every election sends a message....you just got to be able to "read" it

i keep trying to figure out if this election was real or was on Memorex
I keep trying to understand the "alternate universe".
I keep trying to figure out how it was possible for Trump to grow his base.. without even trying

i keep trying to figure out that if the percentage of blacks in Mississippi is 37% . How the final result was Trump 61% and Biden 39%. how the South is a total mess.
i keep trying to figure out how Trump could win any State and any group by 40 points.

Maybe you can move on with a Biden eeked out win.. but i can't.

Do i have to accept this alternate universe? I got to try to make sense of it.

i got a front row seat to 1939 and the Hitler takeover of Germany. Of Mussolini in Italy.. How was that possible.?

I have to re-evaluted my idea of racism in this country. As not an outward appearance but as a deep seated one. A reactionary one and manipulated one That under stress rears it's ugly head.

How foolish you are to think that Biden campaign wasn't strongman enough, or progressive enough. That someone else would have done better.

Trying to pinpoint what happened. with a multitudes of possible reason , and coming up with one... maybe be a fools errand.. but i am going to try.

it's about racism.. The idea presented, that was debunked, about reverse racism Was a typical Republican Lie.. that reflect them more than it did US. It wasn't about black reverse racism it was about white reverse racism.. With the reverse more about moving forward. with the reverse more about putting this country in Drive.

Since February 29th The Democrat presidential election and down ballot suffered greatly.. with it's view of expanding it's tent and uniting the country, that was viewed as a lie... it was the day that White reverse racism became the single most import factor. From that day on Trump supporters became totally blinded. Not with made up Trump stuff, but with, in your face, Democrat stuff. not with lies but with a Democrat hyperbole.

On February 29th.. Biden's campaign was resurrected by South Caroline black voters. Black women became the backbone of the Democrat party.

The only thing worse than Russian interference in our election for racist America. was Black interference. Democrats could avoid the specter of the socialist party, the women's party, the Antifa party, and the immigration party.. but in this racist country could not avoid the Black party, certainly not by embracing and hyperbole .. The democrats embraced no other group. it had disaster written all over it, in a racist country..
Trump has empowered fascists, and racists.. That are in a minority of this country a fascist/racist minority takeover....But in this alternate universe you need to look in the mirror and see your brother looking back at you.. they see a 15% black minority and a socialist minority..trying to use the Democrat party for a takeover of this country.

Look at the stats.. how is it possible that Trump gets the highest percentage of votes.. where most black people live... What we have learned is it's not possible for a Black Democrat Democrat, Democrat to win a State or national election. in the South.
Trump can lie, cheat, divide, embrace dictators, defy the constitution, blackmail, and use his office for personal gain. He can do all that and they won't like him for it.. but the only thing they fear and hate more is a Black Socialist Democrat.
As long as the Democrat party support black candidate in the south, as simply a matter of them being black and to "BRING " out the black vote..
It's viewed like the Civil War reconstruction, like the carpetbaggers, like a "northern invasion" Sherman march to Georgia... Free the negro!
If 37% Mississippi can't win..Then until the black population in the south reaches 50% .. there is no chance.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/4/2020 9:49 am

The idea of supporting a non-political issue... that makes it political..

The idea to explain that the virus is not political
Masks are not political, a vaccine is not political
That Black Lives Matter is not political
That racism is not political
That the supreme court is not political,
That womens rights issues are not political
and religion....

These thing transcend politics.. there should be no difference between how a Republican views it and how a Democrat views it. they aren't platforms, but they become cattle prods

And then to have the hypocrisy to Make it political.. to advance a political nature that shouldn't exist at all. By accusing the other side of politicizing it.

Is the same as making it political

The attitude of democrats about blacks in this country.. makes being black political. when being black shouldn't be political. When immigration shouldn't be political, when religion shouldn't be political..

Democrats get baited into it.. The credibility of Republicans making things that shouldn't be political, political. Is done be eliciting a response. The response gives it credibility..not the republicans actions..The response changes the action that happened in the first place.. Each parties "big tent" is really a two tents system a tent within a tent. for Republicans its a fascist and racists inner tent.. For democrats it black voters and socialists inner tent. It both case it can't stand alone.. and it ironic that only thing holding it up it their opponents. The true irony of Trump, trump supporters, fascist and racists.. is not that they are able to make it happen..It's that their opponents make it happen. We think about how stupid Trump is.. when Trump realizes it doesn't matter, when your opponent is stupider! No matter what he does.. the other side is going to make him look better.

Look at the transformation of Germany in 1939.. How the Workers Party became fascist and racists. It not because that's who they were.. it was because that's what they were made to become. How did some crazy ass Hitler become their leader? WTF were they thinking?
We obviously don't know what they were thinking.. So we are doomed to repeat it.


LeafReport 73M

11/4/2020 11:38 am

I'll be writing in depth soon on what I see as the primary catalyst of America's division. We got here because of propaganda of our own creation first. It was both subtle and blunt, unintended while deliberate, and an unwillingness of a free press to resist, with vigor, all forms of manipulation that preyed upon the fabric of public trust. The free press was the only institutional protection that could have saved us from our descent and they failed. We are still losing the fight and the decline is accelerating and becoming more consequential. It is now a maze without the patience to fix it. It's so complex and the impatient thwart all hopes for measured action we can live with to stomp it out.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/4/2020 5:30 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I'll be writing in depth soon on what I see as the primary catalyst of America's division. We got here because of propaganda of our own creation first. It was both subtle and blunt, unintended while deliberate, and an unwillingness of a free press to resist, with vigor, all forms of manipulation that preyed upon the fabric of public trust. The free press was the only institutional protection that could have saved us from our descent and they failed. We are still losing the fight and the decline is accelerating and becoming more consequential. It is now a maze without the patience to fix it. It's so complex and the impatient thwart all hopes for measured action we can live with to stomp it out.
Well i agree 100%
It important we don't assume what that answer is..


TxJW4 81M

11/4/2020 5:31 pm

The free press as we know it consists of opinions written by someone to bring weak minded people around to the writers way of thinking.

Very few people have an open mind and the ability to read simple accounts of happenings, events etc.-------place several facts or figures together and apply the result it to how it might affect or benefit them. So they blindly play follow the leader & pretend they are intelligent. LOL
Thus you have a bone spur follower.

You can tell them a virgin can have a baby & they will even believe that!!!
Party On!
Party On!


sparkleflit 76F
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11/4/2020 5:41 pm

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A large aspect of Trumpism is Authoritarianism......The USA is ripe with it in large part because much of the population has been brain washed from birth to bow to an ultimate authority without question....to blindly follow .....I watch Trumpists being interviewed and their reasons are emotional....Those who are more articulate manage to come up with reason, but most of them seem to be just carried along on a wave of emotional idol-worship.......We have seen it before.

And yes, racism comes into it as a way to stoke fear....because the authoritarianism always has an aspect of fear......Fear of the "OTHER"......


LeafReport 73M

11/4/2020 7:17 pm

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    A large aspect of Trumpism is Authoritarianism......The USA is ripe with it in large part because much of the population has been brain washed from birth to bow to an ultimate authority without question....to blindly follow .....I watch Trumpists being interviewed and their reasons are emotional....Those who are more articulate manage to come up with reason, but most of them seem to be just carried along on a wave of emotional idol-worship.......We have seen it before.

    And yes, racism comes into it as a way to stoke fear....because the authoritarianism always has an aspect of fear......Fear of the "OTHER"......
I certainly get your argument and also how you might have come to such a conclusion. For many Americans watching an interview with a Trump supporter is a very painful endeavor. The racism part of this isn't quite on the mark but there is no doubt we still have problems with racism in America. But America is not a racist nation anymore. Trump woke up an angry fringe just as you implied. But this was mostly a dormant fringe until Trump lit the match. I will say that before Trump America was advancing at a snail's pace in race relations. The election of President Obama, and his continued popularity, is something I never thought I would see in America. I was so happy to be wrong. It hasn't been my experience and I know America well, having visited and spent considerable time in 46 of our 50 states, that Americans want anything at all to do with authoritarianism. What is true is that authoritarianism is damn difficult to cope with once it takes hold...and Americans did NOT think Trump would govern the way he has. What was fascinating on election night was the exit polls that I studied intensely as the data came through on almost every state. Americans, from coast to coast by percentages of around 70 cited problems with race as a concern. We know we have trouble makers, but we are NOT brainwashed from birth. That's an absurdity that makes many of us chuckle.

Our problem in America, with the divided electorate, comes from the explosion of propaganda from within in the past 30 years really. Stay tuned, I'll be writing on this subject soon. This crap about "Fake News" could not have come to us at a worse time. I think it was accidental frankly...something Steve Bannon stumbled upon and Steven Miller embraced. They fed it to Trump and he was the perfect patsy to spread the accusation, even convincing the Russians of just how much damage this could do to us. It was the perfect storm...an Imperfect Trump rejected by the elite, the mainstreaming of social media, a willing conduit in Fox News and a Russian government Obama had put in a box as America became energy independent.

When you blindly follow the narrative without knowing the facts, as Trump supporters do...it leaves perceptions like you have that are mostly erroneous.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2020 3:19 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I certainly get your argument and also how you might have come to such a conclusion. For many Americans watching an interview with a Trump supporter is a very painful endeavor. The racism part of this isn't quite on the mark but there is no doubt we still have problems with racism in America. But America is not a racist nation anymore. Trump woke up an angry fringe just as you implied. But this was mostly a dormant fringe until Trump lit the match. I will say that before Trump America was advancing at a snail's pace in race relations. The election of President Obama, and his continued popularity, is something I never thought I would see in America. I was so happy to be wrong. It hasn't been my experience and I know America well, having visited and spent considerable time in 46 of our 50 states, that Americans want anything at all to do with authoritarianism. What is true is that authoritarianism is damn difficult to cope with once it takes hold...and Americans did NOT think Trump would govern the way he has. What was fascinating on election night was the exit polls that I studied intensely as the data came through on almost every state. Americans, from coast to coast by percentages of around 70 cited problems with race as a concern. We know we have trouble makers, but we are NOT brainwashed from birth. That's an absurdity that makes many of us chuckle.

    Our problem in America, with the divided electorate, comes from the explosion of propaganda from within in the past 30 years really. Stay tuned, I'll be writing on this subject soon. This crap about "Fake News" could not have come to us at a worse time. I think it was accidental frankly...something Steve Bannon stumbled upon and Steven Miller embraced. They fed it to Trump and he was the perfect patsy to spread the accusation, even convincing the Russians of just how much damage this could do to us. It was the perfect storm...an Imperfect Trump rejected by the elite, the mainstreaming of social media, a willing conduit in Fox News and a Russian government Obama had put in a box as America became energy independent.

    When you blindly follow the narrative without knowing the facts, as Trump supporters do...it leaves perceptions like you have that are mostly erroneous.
No news is the only thing... not fake news..
One discount the views of pundits there are plenty of them on both sides.
But when one goes strictly by the news.. reporting it is mostly bad for trump,
Trump supporter don't want to hear the "bad news".

Much like everything else they do.. some bad news becomes All bad news.

The mainstream media can't avoid the bad news.. Trump actually make sure of that ... But they do try to balance it out. They in fact, in name of being fair, report any good news about Trump they can find. They report it, in a lot of cases, and gives him the credit he doesn't deserve.

In the case of Fox news it's priorities are opposite.. find the good news .. and give Trump the credit he doesn't deserve.. and not report the bad news.
Other than the "pundits" neither really Lies.. It's a choice of how to report the news. But with Fox news and for Trump supporter.. No news, is the only thing not fake news.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/5/2020 9:49 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I certainly get your argument and also how you might have come to such a conclusion. For many Americans watching an interview with a Trump supporter is a very painful endeavor. The racism part of this isn't quite on the mark but there is no doubt we still have problems with racism in America. But America is not a racist nation anymore. Trump woke up an angry fringe just as you implied. But this was mostly a dormant fringe until Trump lit the match. I will say that before Trump America was advancing at a snail's pace in race relations. The election of President Obama, and his continued popularity, is something I never thought I would see in America. I was so happy to be wrong. It hasn't been my experience and I know America well, having visited and spent considerable time in 46 of our 50 states, that Americans want anything at all to do with authoritarianism. What is true is that authoritarianism is damn difficult to cope with once it takes hold...and Americans did NOT think Trump would govern the way he has. What was fascinating on election night was the exit polls that I studied intensely as the data came through on almost every state. Americans, from coast to coast by percentages of around 70 cited problems with race as a concern. We know we have trouble makers, but we are NOT brainwashed from birth. That's an absurdity that makes many of us chuckle.

    Our problem in America, with the divided electorate, comes from the explosion of propaganda from within in the past 30 years really. Stay tuned, I'll be writing on this subject soon. This crap about "Fake News" could not have come to us at a worse time. I think it was accidental frankly...something Steve Bannon stumbled upon and Steven Miller embraced. They fed it to Trump and he was the perfect patsy to spread the accusation, even convincing the Russians of just how much damage this could do to us. It was the perfect storm...an Imperfect Trump rejected by the elite, the mainstreaming of social media, a willing conduit in Fox News and a Russian government Obama had put in a box as America became energy independent.

    When you blindly follow the narrative without knowing the facts, as Trump supporters do...it leaves perceptions like you have that are mostly erroneous.
Are you denying that the USA has a large population of Christians whonon teach their children from birth, that there is an undetectable, but all-powerful authority figure that rules their lives and who the are ultimately responsible to?

The USA has a large population of Evangelical Christians...larger per-capita than any other developed nation...All Authoritarians.....


LeafReport 73M

11/5/2020 12:51 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Are you denying that the USA has a large population of Christians whonon teach their children from birth, that there is an undetectable, but all-powerful authority figure that rules their lives and who the are ultimately responsible to?

    The USA has a large population of Evangelical Christians...larger per-capita than any other developed nation...All Authoritarians.....
Of course...dont be absurd in such a silly conclusion.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/5/2020 3:56 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Of course...dont be absurd in such a silly conclusion.
It's not an absurd conclusion...People trained from birth to accept authority without question grow up to accept authority without question.....how is that absurd?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2020 6:13 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    It's not an absurd conclusion...People trained from birth to accept authority without question grow up to accept authority without question.....how is that absurd?
The stuff you think matters, doesn't matter.. Authoritarianism is not about what you are taught.. It's about How you are taught.

Authoritarianism is not about what your parent teach you.... it about what your parents are.
..
Even with God .. it's about what it is....when It's nothing
But the how God is.. being created from nothing.. doesn't seem to matter to you.

We agree about what people think God is.. It' a people's unbelievable hypocrisy.'

But that hypocrisy doesn't explain God.. It explains people.


Robyn363 83F
3474 posts
11/7/2020 5:17 am

We were taught to accept authority by my parents. Teachers, police, priests, - anyone in authority were accepted without question.
God has His plans for the world, they may not suit everyone, or be our plans, but they are all coming true, as foretold so dont be surprised at just how mad the world is right now. We dont know what is going to happen. The only thing Im sure of is that Im going to die.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/14/2020 8:44 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The stuff you think matters, doesn't matter.. Authoritarianism is not about what you are taught.. It's about How you are taught.

    Authoritarianism is not about what your parent teach you.... it about what your parents are.
    ..
    Even with God .. it's about what it is....when It's nothing
    But the how God is.. being created from nothing.. doesn't seem to matter to you.

    We agree about what people think God is.. It' a people's unbelievable hypocrisy.'

    But that hypocrisy doesn't explain God.. It explains people.
You seem to be unfamiliar with the word "trained".