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jiminycricket1 74M
5508 posts
8/25/2020 6:35 am
Racists or Patriots, Protestors or Criminals?


We are left 2 our own devices determining what people are. Responsibility and accountability identifying oneself is gone...WE shout what we want people 2 think we are...but act the opposite.. IT is a certain freedom, that is in itself an identifier. The Freedom of , collusion, complicity, association, and silence.
You can shout that you are a Patriot, or a Peace protester and support those who are like minded.

But you can't just talk the talk.. You got 2 walk the walk.
IT'S not up , decide who you are. then show ..
I don't choose 2 lead anywhere.. I ask is you Be what you are
I follow you.. 2 the places you go.

Let's first deal with the protester or the criminal.....Which are you? A peaceful protester condones criminality.. Or a criminal condones rioting protests. You can talk the talk, but complicity, association and silence won't cut it..
A PEACEFUL PROTEST THAT CONDEMNS THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE, AND REFUSES POLICE ITSELF.. ARE ANARCHISTS CONDONING CRIMINALITY..

On the flip side Patriot or Racists.. it far less complicated.. The words peaceful protest and criminality are opposites they are a choice of you are. You are accountable and responsible for which others will label you. You can't be both. IT's hard for a Republican 2 see the What in their is association with racists does, and what it says with their complicity, association and silence..

For Trump supporters can talk the talk, but when IT comes walking the walk.. There is little doubt.. THAT THEIR IDEA OF PATRIOTISM IS RACISM. No doubt, Trump believes himself 2 be the best slave owner of the confederacy.. giving the most 2 HIS slaves. He expects accolades for IT.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/25/2020 6:41 am

Of course, Trump's idea, of his non-racists behavior.. Is the fact he believe himself to be a kinder and gentler, and more empathic version of the Klu Klux Klan..

It's the Democrat I worry about.. They condemn the violence, the rioting, the police brutality.. But somehow they are willing to let their communities burn..The hypocrisy is mind blowing.


LeafReport 73M

8/25/2020 8:44 am

Anybody who struggles with this question has my sympathy.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/25/2020 10:48 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Anybody who struggles with this question has my sympathy.
I'm tired of Black people speaking to the choir, and white people singing along.. This is not a black issue it's a humanity issue.
And we should be able to tell by Trump and Trump supporters disrespect begets disrespect
There is no cure for what black people see as police racism.. as long a black people use that.. to disrespect the police officer and THE BLUE

There is absolutely no doubt that the proximate cause of almost all police brutality is disrespect to them.

You can teach police to avoid the personal disrespect.. but after overcoming that .. a police office has to deal with the disrespect for the job he has to do, and the uniform. It's a no win situation. There are a few police officer who shouldn't be one.. they need to be weeded out .. but most are just normal human beings.

black people and others who wish to confront the police. must take some of the responsibility of the outcome of that confrontation. This is not to dismiss the responsibility of the police to serve and protect.. but it's a shared responsibility.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
8/25/2020 2:33 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I'm tired of Black people speaking to the choir, and white people singing along.. This is not a black issue it's a humanity issue.
    And we should be able to tell by Trump and Trump supporters disrespect begets disrespect
    There is no cure for what black people see as police racism.. as long a black people use that.. to disrespect the police officer and THE BLUE

    There is absolutely no doubt that the proximate cause of almost all police brutality is disrespect to them.

    You can teach police to avoid the personal disrespect.. but after overcoming that .. a police office has to deal with the disrespect for the job he has to do, and the uniform. It's a no win situation. There are a few police officer who shouldn't be one.. they need to be weeded out .. but most are just normal human beings.

    black people and others who wish to confront the police. must take some of the responsibility of the outcome of that confrontation. This is not to dismiss the responsibility of the police to serve and protect.. but it's a shared responsibility.
I agree with Bob - I find your response a balanced assessment/of sound judgement. Isn't that where sanity lies/is found?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/25/2020 8:26 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I'm tired of Black people speaking to the choir, and white people singing along.. This is not a black issue it's a humanity issue.
    And we should be able to tell by Trump and Trump supporters disrespect begets disrespect
    There is no cure for what black people see as police racism.. as long a black people use that.. to disrespect the police officer and THE BLUE

    There is absolutely no doubt that the proximate cause of almost all police brutality is disrespect to them.

    You can teach police to avoid the personal disrespect.. but after overcoming that .. a police office has to deal with the disrespect for the job he has to do, and the uniform. It's a no win situation. There are a few police officer who shouldn't be one.. they need to be weeded out .. but most are just normal human beings.

    black people and others who wish to confront the police. must take some of the responsibility of the outcome of that confrontation. This is not to dismiss the responsibility of the police to serve and protect.. but it's a shared responsibility.
Responding to disrespect with bullets in the back or a knee to the the neck for 10 minutes?........You can't be serious......I have watched so many videos of police disrespecting black people........without cause....Black men who have done nothing and are apprehended on the street and disrespected for no reason ......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/25/2020 8:28 pm

Are you suggesting that all Black people are responsible for the disrespect some Black people show to the police? That is straight up racism.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/26/2020 6:22 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Are you suggesting that all Black people are responsible for the disrespect some Black people show to the police? That is straight up racism.
I was waiting for it .. Thank you,,,

So I must be a racists to say that? To say that in ALMOST all case it's a shared responsibility. Of course being prejudical to a person color is what racism is all about..and empathy can be selective.. I don't see the color.. I just see the prejudice and lack of overall empathy...For ALL races, by ALL people.... A shared responsibility doesn't describe the preponderance of fault. that you can decide for yourself.. But don't tell me, that running away, or directly confronting a police officer is not in anyway a responsibility for the impending result,

I'm tired of disagreement.. becoming and opposite stance. there are many instances where black people do not confront the police, do not run away. .. We just don't happen to see those.. You may think it's a nothing burger that George Floyd refused to get into the police car.. That the Wendy's guy refused to be arrested for DUI. That the latest guy turn his back and ran away form a police officer holding a gun.. You may think that mean nothing.. compared to what the police did..and in a way you are RIGHT. but still, I would venture to guess these events don't happen without it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/26/2020 7:11 am

Where is it? where has it gone..?

in the sixties there were protest against racism and THE WAR.. over fifty ago and it's still with me I know, It was so much worse then.. the protesters were more angry.. The police were unbelievably brutal. politically speaking it was entirely about POLICY.. and not a condemnation of People.....A picture is worth a thousand words.. I have seen before the bottle and rocks thrown at police .. I have seen before the police beating innocents for no reason.. I know the injustice.. from "Both Sides Now"
But there was one moment, one photograph that stay with me.. That says it all
I wonder who remembers and if stays with them too..

A hippie putting a flower into a national guardsman 's gun. during the confrontation..

"Where Have All The Flowers Gone"......long time passing.. long time ago?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/26/2020 7:46 am

I know I'm not much of a realist...but, I wish to go to the grave with my idealism.. I wish to BELIEVE and have faith.of course it is challenged.. and gives ground for i am Human too... but it will not give up.
Sitting through the LIES of The RNC. is beyond difficult... it's heartbreaking.. The lies that are designed to instill fear and hatred. The groundwork for prejudice..
You can only hate a hater
If he/she is not one.. you got to make it up... that he/she is one.
I don't say this to support the DNC's version. but in the DNC's version you don't have to believe Lies.
But, does it matter?
Can you hate the hater? is that the criteria? True of not, when it's only criteria is the groundwork for prejudice?
Find the FLOWERS and STOP the HATE
Find The TRUTH and STOP the FEAR


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/27/2020 6:46 pm

There is a always a certain % of the population......any population, that just craves turmoil......They are very good at spotting the beginnings of trouble and are irresistibly drawn to it ......agitators......read History and they are always about.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/27/2020 9:49 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    There is a always a certain % of the population......any population, that just craves turmoil......They are very good at spotting the beginnings of trouble and are irresistibly drawn to it ......agitators......read History and they are always about.
Well that's the truth..
in any conversation you must dismiss 10% of the population. It should go without my saying it.

Which brings in the problem. that we tend to give them more credence than they warrant

i believe I never consider 100% of the population. it's just an unreasonable assumption...

As far as people go.. You can find at least 10% of anything.