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Spirituality and the Irrational Sparkle... "Why do you assume that I don't have a relationship with the numinous (spiritual)? You seem to think that because my spirituality doesn't fit into your assumptions, it doesn't exist......" you're the one that deals with what doesn't exist .. not me. I keep saying it doesn't matter WHAT it is.. It is what it is. Yours is what it is. From day one with your discussion about God.. i saw, How you were wrong in how you go about doing it, because those ideas didn't fit..with others things i could see. I have attempted to use spirituality , mother nature, art, compassion, and empathy.. to show you are spiritual. yet at the same time you DENY others spirituality in the name of rationality I don't see the difference, in your approach and their approach.. Of course.. I see a difference... as relates to religion...primarily the hypocrisy, Man's use of religion as a tool and controlling device. It's division and separations of humanity. it's elitism.. when it should be humbling. It's denials instead of it's acceptances. it's defense of it irrational to try and make it rational.. When in fact it's worthy enough to stand on it's own irrationality, you don't need to prove it to anyone else.. It proves who YOU ARE. it prove who WE are... I accept your spirituality.. regardless of what it is.. It is you.. I do not believe that someone DOESN'T have spirituality.. And spirituality can not be defined in the rational...For if you do... you are just being one of THEM. It the reason I call you objective...Your need to rationally define everything.. God, mother nature, Art, spirituality, compassion, and empathy...come from a place that is irrational.. Evolution is the rational... These thing, i have mentioned, do not conform, to the tenets of evolution. they do not directly promote survival.. Or ones own natural selection..they are the irrational thought of humanity, That promote Humanity itself... Self sacrifice is an irrational idea. LOVE is an irrational idea Spirituality is the irrational...It come from a place that can't be defined.. but defines US. I haven't been trying to define your spirituality I have been trying for you to accept it's irrationality...I have accepted mine |
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In the broader sense the things we discuss like politics, and Trump supporters...You don't get it... Those you think are irrational,, come from the place of their own rationality. They MUST deny their irrationality...In the name of being too rational. For Example Christians who deny their own irrationality...become the rational Trump supporters. We all live in conflict.. but they choose to DENY the conflict they live in. Because that's the rational thing to do. Things such as compromise, humanity, compassion, empathy, Altruism, self sacrifice, Love and even God.. has to be real, has to be rational, has to be self serving..or it doesn't exist. Yet it their minds...hate, conspiracy, self interest, Atheism, and enemies.. need no proof of their existence, they recognize it... because that's who THEY ARE Just the the opposite of what we try to tell them. Sparkle....Now much like leaf.. you will assume.. I am talking about your What of it..What you think. I assume you think.. when I think The WHAT you think.. doesn't matter.. its' not the subject of my conversation with you. Which probably, in your rational objective world...pisses you off more than anything else.
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"Blame is just a lazy person's way of making sense of chaos." ~ Douglas Coupland Abracadabra 
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So you put everything in a big pot and cook it in confusion , strain out all distinctions and call the resulting mush "spirituality".....then pretend it's wisdom.....Whatever Dude......
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"Blame is just a lazy person's way of making sense of chaos." ~ Douglas Coupland :
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3/6/2020 1:47 am |
It's Bush's fault
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So you put everything in a big pot and cook it in confusion , strain out all distinctions and call the resulting mush "spirituality".....then pretend it's wisdom.....Whatever Dude...... it still amazes me how your response,,,falls in line with the point i'm trying to make. I have no doubt it's confusing to you..with your need to define everything.. "you put everything in a big pot and cook it in confusion , strain out all distinctions and call the resulting mush "spirituality"....." From your perspective that's what i do. I admit it..I'm not trying to define it. I put God , mother nature , and love into a pot.. boil it down and come up with a spirituality stew. I don't want to define it, label it and keep it separate. is that Wisdom?.. Not in your world it isn't.. I even understand that. In your world wisdom is about the things you know...It's the common idea. In my world wisdom is about how you deal with the things you don't know. so your right again in your world I'm PRETENDING it's Wisdom. that is important to you.. which explains my point. I wish you would talk to me the way i talk to you..but you can't do it.. with this kind of subject. Read my next response to leaf.. it may say something to you, about where I'm coming from.
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It's Bush's fault Chris Mathews resigned from MSNBC.. Do you understand why..? I do.. because it happens to me all the time. His resignation was because of a thought that he was attacking Elizabeth Warren. for attacking Bloomberg. It brought some people out of the woodwork. those people failed to see.. What he was doing was not directed at Elizabeth Warren. But directed at ALL those people who do what Elizabeth Warren did. The irony was in making the point.. people saw only him becoming the point he was trying to make..... because they can't see it any other way. That's confusing isn't it? Trump is the king of unsubstantiated allegations. Allegation used for a purpose, that is not the truth. Warren did it to Bloomberg.. Of course, to most people, the WHAT of it.. had to do with Bloomberg. But to Chris Matthews only the how of it mattered and the how of it.. had to do with Warren. What Warren did to Bloomberg..Was hailed as a great move.. but it wasn't great. it's was a Trumpism. In the realm of a Trump supporter it would have been a great move. Now .. how do I know how Chris Matthews feels about it..it happens to me all the time. You cannot read this.. and remove Warren, Bloomberg, and Trump from the meaning. Each of them defines the meaning in different ways.. Chris Matthews meaning had nothing really to do with Warren..Warren was just an example.. Yet Mathews was brought down, by people thinking he was making an unfair example of her.,, specifically of HER.. which he was not. So when he asks her .. how do you know it's not a lie?. It was rhetoric... Warren knew it could be lie, but that didn't matter to her.. she used it anyway. Just like Trump does.. everyday. Chris Matthews , in general , maybe a little frustrated and disappointed.. He couldn't have been more obvious about that with this Democrat Primary. Chris Matthews never had a horse in the race. he never endorsed anybody. His interview with Elizabeth Warren was the culmination of his disgust and frustration with the Democrat primary process.
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You don't seem to be conscious of how you make your mush. For instance, you open this blog with a sentence which you present as a quote from me......That But within the quote, you have inserted a word that I DID NOT use.......I used the word "numinous"........I used that word on purpose....it wasn't an accident.....but you changed my quote so it would fit into your mush......threw it in the blender so you could pretend that worshipping an invisible dictator in the sky who tells you who and how and when to fuck is the same as being flooded with awe and amazement when encountering the world.......Hey, it's all the same........get out the blender!!!!
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You don't seem to be conscious of how you make your mush. For instance, you open this blog with a sentence which you present as a quote from me......That But within the quote, you have inserted a word that I DID NOT use.......I used the word "numinous"........I used that word on purpose....it wasn't an accident.....but you changed my quote so it would fit into your mush......threw it in the blender so you could pretend that worshipping an invisible dictator in the sky who tells you who and how and when to fuck is the same as being flooded with awe and amazement when encountering the world.......Hey, it's all the same........get out the blender!!!! So if I was wrong.. say what you mean. Can you tell me WHY you are doing this? I don't get it.... GOD isn't REAL...Can't you understand that. I do..You keep trying to explain him as real for other people.. GOD is Not REAL.. Don't tell me I'm telling you he is...Go tell it to someone who actually thinks he is. Figure this one out....If God isn't real and he exist only in someone's mind.. then God is what isn't real.. Can you accept what isn't real? I challenge you make any term in my blender..Real.. All the thing I use in place of God aren't real. Mother nature, for example, isn't real.. Spirituality isn't real. What all those things mean.. is I think, therefore I am.. Real or imaginary, right or wrong, defined or undefined.. doesn't matter as to one or the other they ARE thoughts. If one thinks of what that's wrong, what is imaginary, what is undefined. That separates those that just exist for those who are... I think, therefore i am
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Sherlock Holmes and Watson are camping in the desert. They both fall asleep on their backs in their tent. In the middle of the night, Holmes wakes up Holmes and asks him what he observes. Watson says....The sky is filled with stars.....There must be billions of them....many millions probably have conditions that could support life, perhaps intelligent life and someday, perhaps we can make contact ....think of ow amazing that would be." and Holmes says "No, stupid, someone stole our tent."
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Seriously what is wrong with you?..I inserted (spiritual), as people including me, wasn't sure of your meaning.. was not an the insert to be exact.. no it was just a ballpark , there was no intent to change your meaning. So if I was wrong.. say what you mean. Can you tell me WHY you are doing this? I don't get it.... GOD isn't REAL...Can't you understand that. I do..You keep trying to explain him as real for other people.. GOD is Not REAL.. Don't tell me I'm telling you he is...Go tell it to someone who actually thinks he is. Figure this one out....If God isn't real and he exist only in someone's mind.. then God is what isn't real.. Can you accept what isn't real? I challenge you make any term in my blender..Real.. All the thing I use in place of God aren't real. Mother nature, for example, isn't real.. Spirituality isn't real. What all those things mean.. is I think, therefore I am.. Real or imaginary, right or wrong, defined or undefined.. doesn't matter as to one or the other they ARE thoughts. If one thinks of what that's wrong, what is imaginary, what is undefined. That separates those that just exist for those who are... I think, therefore i am
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So instead of allowing me my own expression, you decide to fix it.... again, you decide to tell me what I think.......So instead of people doing some research and discovering, perhaps, why and how the unfamiliar word "numinous" came about.....the history of it, how it was used by Jung......no, instead, lets just replace it with a familiar word that is already buried in assumptions......What could possibly be wrong with me?.....I'm trying to convey that individuation, clarity, specificity, accuracy are not the antithesis of the implicit. I wasn't trying "fix" it.. The issue is my trying to fix things.. I ain't trying to fix anything, including YOU...I observe, I don't fix.. You are the one that expresses the idea of "fixing" things. Then you put in on me.
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Something numinous has a strong religious quality, suggesting the presence of a divine power. ... Numinous comes from the Latin numin- meaning "divine power." This word also comes from numen, a word used to describe the spirit or divine power characteristic of a thing or place. I wasn't trying "fix" it.. The issue is my trying to fix things.. I ain't trying to fix anything, including YOU...I observe, I don't fix.. You are the one that expresses the idea of "fixing" things. Then you put in on me. The word was later taken up by Jung in the same vein, but he also, being immersed in a Christian society, included the "holy" as having to do with "God"......
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Your spirituality is private to you Jiminy, as is mine to me. Dont destroy it by arguing with people who are just looking for a reason to be difficult. I am a spiritual person too, and glad.
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