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jiminycricket1 74M
5508 posts
3/2/2020 4:15 pm
Pan damn it. Pandemics


I once told Lulu.. in terms of God... Mother nature could provide the evidence...If you can choose to see it way.

Mother nature is "The Creator", The "Gospel", the "Supreme power"..The Final judgment and the Salvation..

Mother Nature provides fair tests, of our worthiness to occupy EDEN.
Mother Nature challenges us.... and provides solutions.

If we deny Mother Nature.. our damnation is assured


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/2/2020 5:06 pm

Seriously.. the irony is tremendous.. for American Christians..that hold themselves above other religions.
America First and Making America Great is the Anti-Christ

The funny thing about Science and God..is that they are both global. An action or reaction occurs the same throughout the planet.
We deny both God and Science when deny it's global.

Climate change is global...it doesn't matter what caused it.... Let's just say Mother Nature or God caused it. The question is what is our responsibility to do something about it..
Well, we proved we are great at talking shit , but not doing shit. We just ignore, blame, and think regionally instead of globally. The way in which this country.. NOW talks of the pandemic.. Is indicative of everything wrong with US.
What would be happening now.. If all our resources, all our science, all our innovations.. all our therapeutics, all our cures were begun at the beginning, in China

Well we got the pre-test of our damnation..CORONAVIRUS.. And our lack of global considerations.. our self-centeredrness, our regionalism, our tribalism protection....and our denial of the globalism of God and/or Mother nature.

America and Trump are the leaders of world..
America First and Making America Great..leads our damnation.

Maybe what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.. but what happens in China doesn't stay in China..

We have failed...With Making America Great and making America first. Because of our lack of global considerations.
Like a nuclear blast happening in Iran is not our problem..until the fallout reaches US.
What would be happening now.. If all our resources, all our science, all our innovations.. all our therapeutics, all our cures were begun at the beginning, in China
WE only talk of America....In a global crisis
WE get a late start on what we should have done from day one.
WE talk about fixing it's impact on US.. Like that solves the problem.
We are now confronted with the pre-test for global warming and the destruction of humanity.. It will work out.. this time.. But Nature and/or GOD..will keep challenging US...Until US becomes WE.....The WE who have been saved or We who have been damned.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/2/2020 5:41 pm

Nature and/or God? Do you think the two are interchangeable......Haven't you seen these Christians claim that they don't have to listen to Mother Nature because God will take care of everything.....God is in charge.......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/2/2020 5:51 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Nature and/or God? Do you think the two are interchangeable......Haven't you seen these Christians claim that they don't have to listen to Mother Nature because God will take care of everything.....God is in charge.......
Why do you keep doing that? Call it what you want.. What you call it doesn't matter,

I don't know what the f*ck it is.. It is, what it is.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/2/2020 7:38 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Why do you keep doing that? Call it what you want.. What you call it doesn't matter,

    I don't know what the f*ck it is.. It is, what it is.
God is invisible, undetectable, there is no tangible evidence for God.....that's why faith is required .......Mother Nature is all evidence....all corporeal.....all manifest.....What you call it does matter if your intent is to communicate.....which one assumes when someone is posting on a public forum......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/2/2020 11:15 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    God is invisible, undetectable, there is no tangible evidence for God.....that's why faith is required .......Mother Nature is all evidence....all corporeal.....all manifest.....What you call it does matter if your intent is to communicate.....which one assumes when someone is posting on a public forum......
We go round and round.. same shit over and over again

Obviously you consider a Public forum..your own little world.
I am NOT communicating with you. And your assumption is..
if I'm not communicating with you.. Others can not understand..

You cay I am calling it something it isn't.. I'm saying It doesn't matter in the context of what I'm calling it... it only means whatever you call it. it.... is what it is.. not to me.. but to the reader.. .. that's obviously is NOT good enough for you. If I can't call it. then nobody can know what it means.
I gave you a choice to call it mother nature..
."Mother Nature is all evidence....all corporeal.....all manifest....."
Still you persist.. WTF is wrong with you?.
God is invisible and undetectable....There is so much that you don't realize that is both undetectable and invisible to YOU. That must means only what you know exists..
I don't accept that. Because it's NOT just about God..
Intelligence is knowing about what you don't know.
With that criteria.... you're as dumb as door post..
I'm done with you're circular shit.. I got enough of my own to think about.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/3/2020 7:49 am

There are questions we ask..And answer we create..that in the end, don't matter.....Especially if that light..is but a Hell fire, that burns in us here.

I ponder the starlit sky
Ask the simple question why?
what brought me to this time and place
Something that futures cannot erase

Is life some sort of cosmic design?
or the trials of God, that I find
The randomness of evolution
or the search for absolution

The differences in all creatures
designed by evolution's features
Or that which God has given,
To each a meaning for livin

To wonder if anyone realizes
What God or evolution gloriously summizes
That nature's heaven, in the end
Is the knowledge, I have been


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/3/2020 8:06 am

The randomness of evolution?....Evolution, Mr. Door Post,is the very antithesis of randomness.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/3/2020 8:20 am

Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/3/2020 11:44 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment.

you are amazing..
First although it's not what I mean evolution is random. mutants of all kinds are random. and natural selection that selects only the sustainable mutations.
That being said. it's not even what I meant..
I meant the the mistake people make.

Is life some sort of cosmic design?
or the trials of God, that I find
The randomness of evolution
or the search for absolution
.


That's the bullshit we tell ourselves
Like i said you know nothing about what you don't know..
in both cases of God and evolution we make MISTAKES
Neither was suppose to mean squat.. but the mistakes we make.

The poem is about the truth.... the truth regardless of evolution or god.. it doesn't matter.. WHY you are here.. is not important.
The importance is YOU ARE HERE. that is the Amazing feat.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
3/3/2020 1:02 pm

'The poem is about the truth.... the truth regardless of evolution or god.. it doesn't matter.. WHY you are here.. is not important.
The importance is YOU ARE HERE. that is the Amazing feat.' Yes


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/3/2020 2:02 pm

I see now......you were going around and around in ever decreasing circles until you disappeared up your own id.......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/4/2020 9:34 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I see now......you were going around and around in ever decreasing circles until you disappeared up your own id.......
You expect me to deny it.. argue it..
So sorry.. but you are exactly right.

Try it...

To understand that which you can not see, that which has no evidence. that which is undetectable..That which disappears..

Yes that is the knowledge i seek, the meaning i search for.

Descartes says... I think so therefore I am.
Don't you ever wonder if other life forms...can think so they exist?
Well.. they can think.but only about what they see, what they hear, what they can feel. they are what those thing tell them they are.
But they can never understand philosophy..they can never understand "I think, so therefore I am". they don't understand the question.
Because the answer is circular.

I ask you why you do it..why are you doing it..Always on the offense, always a defensive reflex.

"you were going around and around in ever decreasing circles until you disappeared up your own id"

Yes the disappearance so as to discover MY own id...
"I think so therefore I am"

maybe someday you will to..You will find it's not only a special gift just for YOU..but instead of a difference it makes..It reveals an unbelievable commonality of humanity, what the disappearing circles do is remove all the NOISE and Clutter of God an evolution, of hate and disagreement, of right and wrong

In some eastern cultures...
"On the other hand, “spirituality,” in its current use, is all about self-fulfillment. It does not imply a defect on our part, but it begins with the premise that we are fine, though we could be even better if we would find our spiritual potential and actualize it. “Spirituality” carries no accountability, but it may tout that it can enable all of humanity to hold hands and create a nicer planet."

It's a special self fulfillment that, western culture could believe is about ones self interest..but in reality it must explore the commonality..It must unify humanity instead of excluding. One's own enlightenment raises all ships.
obviously you don't get it.. because for some reason.. you are trying to sink mine
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/4/2020 9:48 am

    Quoting lilium6:
    'The poem is about the truth.... the truth regardless of evolution or god.. it doesn't matter.. WHY you are here.. is not important.
    The importance is YOU ARE HERE. that is the Amazing feat.' Yes
I can't thank you enough.. It's hard to constantly be attacked, about my lack of communication ability, and My circular arguments.
they wants to tell me, nobody cares and nobody is listening, and nobody can understand
You are one of the few.. i know understand.. i knew it a long time ago. It's not so much about what you say.. but they way you say it..
But these other folks wear me out.. and sometimes I need you to be renewed. Not so much that you understand, I already know that..
I simply need to know you are listening.
So thank you for listening.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/4/2020 5:14 pm

Why do you assume that I don't have a relationship with the numinous? You seem to think that because my spirituality doesn't fit into your assumptions, it doesn't exist......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/5/2020 8:29 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Why do you assume that I don't have a relationship with the numinous? You seem to think that because my spirituality doesn't fit into your assumptions, it doesn't exist......
you're the one that deals with what doesn't exist .. not me.

I keep saying it doesn't matter WHAT it is.. It is what it is. Yours is what it is.

From day one with your discussion about God.. i saw, no that you were wrong in how you go about doin it, because your ideas didn't fit..with others things i could see. I have attempted to use spirituality , mother nature, art, compassion, and empathy.. to show you are spiritual. yet at the same time you DENY others spirituality in the name of rationality
I don't see the difference, in your approach and their approach..
Of course.. I see the difference... only as relates to religion...primarily the hypocrisy,
Man's use of religion as a tool and controlling device. It's division and separations of humanity. it's elitism.. when it should be humbling. It's denials instead of it's acceptances. it's defense of it irrational to try and make it rational.. When in fact it's worthy enough top stand on it's own irrationality, you don't need to prove it to anyone else.. It proves who YOU ARE.

I accept your spirituality.. regardless of what it is.. It is you.. I do not believe that anybody DOESN'T have spirituality.. And spirituality can not be defined in the rational...For if you do... you are just being one of THEM.

It the reason I call you objective...Your need to rationally define everything.. God, mother nature, Art, spirituality, compassion, and empathy...come from a place that is irrational..
Evolution is the rational...These thing, i mentioned, do not conform, to the tenets of evolution. they do not directly promote survival.. Or ones own natural selection..they are the irrational thought of humanity, That promote Humanity itself...
Self sacrifice is an irrational idea. LOVE is an irrational idea
Spirituality is the irrational...It come from a place that can't be defined.. but defines US.

I haven't been trying to define your spirituality I have been trying for you to accept it's irrationality...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/5/2020 8:37 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Why do you assume that I don't have a relationship with the numinous? You seem to think that because my spirituality doesn't fit into your assumptions, it doesn't exist......
you're the one that deals with what doesn't exist .. not me.

I keep saying it doesn't matter WHAT it is.. It is what it is. Yours is what it is.

From day one with your discussion about God.. i saw, that you HOW you were doing it was wrong.. How hypocritcal it was to your own spirituality, of others things i could see.
I have attempted to use spirituality , mother nature, art, compassion, and empathy.. to show you are spiritual. Yet at the same time How you DENY others spirituality in the name of rationality
I don't see the difference, in your approach and their approach..
Of course.. I see the difference... only as relates to religion...primarily the hypocrisy,
Man's use of religion as a tool and controlling device. It's division and separations of humanity. it's elitism.. when it should be humbling. It's denials instead of it's acceptances. it's defense of it irrational to try and make it rational.. When in fact it's worthy enough to stand on it's own irrationality, you don't need to prove it to anyone else.. It proves who YOU ARE.

I accept your spirituality.. regardless of what it is.. It is you.. I do not believe that anybody DOESN'T have spirituality.. And spirituality can not be defined in the rational...For if you do... you are just being one of THEM.

It's the reason I call you objective...Your need to rationally define everything.. God, mother nature, Art, spirituality, compassion, and empathy...come from a place that is irrational..
Evolution is the rational...These thing, i mentioned, do not conform, to the tenets of evolution. they do not directly promote survival.. Or ones own natural selection..they are the irrational thought of humanity, That promote Humanity itself...
Self sacrifice is an irrational idea. LOVE is an irrational idea
Spirituality is the irrational...It come from a place that can't be defined.. but defines US.

I haven't been trying to define your spirituality I have been trying for you to accept it's irrationality..I have accepted mine..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
3/5/2020 9:22 am

In the broader sense the things we discuss like politics, and Trump supporters...You don't get it... Those you think are irrational,, come from the place of their own rationality. They MUST deny their irrationality...In the name of being too rational.
For Example Christians who deny their own irrationality...become the rational Trump supporters. We all live in conflict.. but they choose to DENY the conflict they live in. Because that's the rational thing to do. Things such as compromise, humanity, compassion, empathy, Altruism, self sacrifice, Love and even God.. has to be real, has to be rational, has to be self serving..or it doesn't exist. Yet it their minds...hate, conspiracy, self interest, Atheism, and enemies.. need no proof of their existence, they recognize it... because that's who THEY ARE
Just the the opposite of what we try to tell them.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/5/2020 12:38 pm

Well, there you go. as usual, refusing to define terms, wandering aimlessly in amorphous pits of generalities and assumptions.....forget, no point in having a discussion with you.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/5/2020 12:54 pm

"
From day one with your discussion about God.. i saw, no that you were wrong in how you go about doin it, because your ideas didn't fit..with others things i could see."

Your arrogance is laughable.......