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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
2/7/2020 6:34 am
Liar, Liar who's pants is on fire?


It's taken me three years to figure out what Trump does...He's not a Liar in the normal sense.

We call Trump a liar, like that is the focal point of what he's doing.. Like Trump is a bad person because he lies. In Trump's mind truth or lie doesn't matter, it only matters what he is trying to do..Trump speaks to what he is doing, not what he is saying. And what he is saying is not a truth or a Lies it's what he's trying to do.

WE say how Republican think the ends justify the means.. for Trump it's the same but different.. There are no means, there is no justification. there is ONLY ends. Both truth and lies can be means to his ends. For Trump there is no judgment call to be made between truth and lies...They are both just tools to his ends.

Sometimes it's very difficult to determine what he says and How that explains what he's trying to do. But take my word for it... Not a word comes out of his mouth that isn't purposeful to his ends. He doesn't know how to talk any other way.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 6:59 am

Trump realized a long time ago some thing about winning...When you don't hold all the cards, or have the known skill level to win. trump realized that sometime to win you got to mess up your opponent. He's learned it,, from seeing how to do it, both purposeful and reactionary.. Know your opponent and know your teammates..And make everything you do purposeful..NOT reactionary.....
There are time to trash talk, there are times to distract, there are times of good sportsmanship, There are times to fight, there are time to get angry, there are times to LIE and there are times to CHEAT... Each can work to be purposeful towards Winning.
It's important to winning that your opponent doesn't realize, you are doing those things on Purpose. Always make your opponents think it' APPEARS irrational and reactionary.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 7:46 am

We forget somethings quickly... but lets go back to 2016 and the Democrat primary..

There were a multitude of actions that Trump did, everyone having a minor effect, but certainly added together they had the effect of him winning.. Trump is a creature of habit..Whether it be foreign interference, bad mouthing, accusing without proof, character assassinating, or manipulating, leveraging his own supporters to commit crimes....He uses both truth and lies in doing that.. It's not what he says that matters.. It what he does with it.
We easily see how Trump's accusations are primarily self proclaimed convictions.
We think how stupid does he think we are...What we don't see,, is how a self proclaim conviction is both and offensive and defensive maneuver..He doesn't raise people to his level he drops them down to his level. if you're going to condemn him..You got to condemn yourself.
Do what he does and you're screwed.. Don't do what he does and you're screwed

WE easily see how Trump and Republican buy into Russian propaganda.???? they support the propaganda Russia spews. Democrats would never do that!

Okay let get back to the 2016 Democrat Primary.. And how stupid Democrats are to fall into Trump's trap..
One of the key issues of the Democrat primary..was how Hillary had set up the "FIX" Bernies Sanders was being manipulated under the Clinton Democrat rules and control. The Democrat were doing things to prevent Bernie Sander from winning.
Now, don't deal with that as a truth or lie.. deal with it as a Trump purposeful manuever. Trump fed the narrative...Bernie Sanders supporter believed they got screwed, and couldn't bring themselves to support Hillary. It kept the Democrat vote down.

Trump is doing it ALL again..Foreign interference, Lying Ad campaigns, Accusations, Character assassination. but most important creating division, (he's good at it).. The State of the Union showed the maneuvering of what he said and did to created division in the Democrat party.

So tell me how bad it is that Republican buy into Russian Propaganda.
When Democrats buy into Trump's propaganda all the time. The propaganda that the fix is in.. The propaganda of Democrats just providing "lip service " to people of color and immigrants and the LGBT community.. Democrats spending what we don't have and still not be able to buy what we need.? Tell me it's not true, and I'll find you someone who says it is..

Well maybe you think Bernie Sanders is going to get screwed.. ?
But is going to be the Democrat Party that is going to get screwed, and we know who's doing the screwing.

And after all is said and done, and Trump has been unsuccessful..
With all that, and all he does, Cheating will be just telling another LIE.. Trump will directly cheat the election, and feel justified doing it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 8:01 am

The ideas Trump professed in the 2016 election....Without evidence, without due process, without a trial..Still to this day are held true.. People without any evidence, except what they make up.. have no reason to believe Hillary purposely did that to Bernie. But they still believe it.. and it will be done again.
"Lock her UP".. no evidence of a crime, no trial, no conviction..And yet people still hold on to it..
The problem we have is not going to be decided by revolution.. It going to solved when people start believing in resolution..
Instead of thinking it's better to hold on to it, than to fall off that cliff.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 9:04 am

I say the black voter better be prepared to get played..

I say Buttigieg, more closely resembles the plight of black people in this country more than any other candidate.. Yet receives the lowest support from the black community.

I say black people.. will simply not allowed another race, religion or gender identification to Invade their victimhood.

I say black people ,understand the "lip service" they get...Talk is cheap, not only from Republicans but from Democrats too.
But somehow they see their "lip service" is different than Buttigieg's. well it is.. It's worse.
That they can't relate the "lip service" given to white gay guy.. The same way it relates to a black dude.

They think Buttigieg is not getting "lip service" because he's white?.. they are fools..

As some Democrat Iowa caucus'er wanted her vote back because she found out Buttigieg is gay... WTF?

You think the "Lip service" of ALL Democrat who say being a black president doesn't matter.. mean it?
You think ALL Democrats who say being a women President doesn't matter .. Mean it?
When in fact some can't even "lip service" some gay guy.. As polled.. 23% of Democrats will admit to the fact they would not vote for a gay guy as President.. It's much more that that ..as those 23% are the only the ones that got the balls to admit it. Those are Democrat that can scratch their head.. between their legs.,
and when all alone in the voting booth.. Some will find they have balls too, and scratch them. Better an asshole than a dick sucker.


LeafReport 73M

2/7/2020 10:34 am

Trump is a dictator...and one of the world's worst frankly.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 10:39 am

There is and unwritten rule about one party interfering with the other party's primary.. They leave each other alone to their own devices. but those aren't Trump's rules to follow.. he's got his own rules. About WINNING and Choosing your opponent.

Don't believe me.. believe Trump.. There are only two candidates That Trump has got the goods on Sanders and Buttigieg.. He wants them... call it.. what you will happenstance...but not the way Trump plays it.. It's purposeful, that Sanders and Buttigieg Lead the democrat primary.
Leaf brought up "possibility" that the Iowa f*ck up was a result of Trump intervention......Program problems, phone problems, corruption problems, failure to be able to ADD.. You folks are idiots ..it wasn't a possibility it is A FACT. And there is more to come.

Buttigieg and Sanders say they want to defeat Trump that's the most important thing.. THEY LIE...
If they believe it.. they both would drop out and throw their support to the candidate that has the best chance. But they are willing to take the CHANCE that they could beat him.. Instead of assuring his complete defeat.

And whether your a Latino Democrat, a Black democrat, a Muslim democrat a Jewish democrat, a gay democrat, a women democrat, Or a White Democrat. no one is immune from that kind of ...
"LIP SERVICE"
We all have the ability to understand it. We've ALL been there....But some of Us still think..... it can't be me.. It's the other guy...that getting the "Lip Service"


LeafReport 73M

2/7/2020 10:50 am

You know what Cricket....I'm a college educated protestant while collar voter. We all just get one vote. But as an activist most of my life I can tell you that you vastly underestimate black voters in America. It's been somewhat of a surprise but a lot of activists I've been in the field with have shared with me, and other activists, that over the years the dumbest voters they've encountered are usually white.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 10:54 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    You know what Cricket....I'm a white college educated protestant while collar voter. As an activist most of my life I can tell you that you vastly underestimate black voters in America.
What you think i'm going to disagree..with any of that .
Trump is EVIL.. PERIOD.

Second you are misinformed.. to believe that EVERY black person is better than that.

Trump's not after EVERY black Person.. 10% will do.. I have no doubt Black people are no different than white people... And when he gets to white people he won't be after EVERY White person to believe Bernie Sanders is a Communist, or That Mayor Pete will turn their sons GAY.. He doesn't need EVERYONE to believe it.

You are the one that is naive... he does it right in front your eyes.. and you deny the possibility..You accuse... and then through other side of mouth you deny one's ability to be prejudice, misogynists, homophobic, racist, fascist.. simply because you think it's UNREASONABLE to think that way. Simply because ONLY stupid people think that way.. You don't have to gather up all the stupid people,, just like you don't have to gather up all the black people..All you need is ENOUGH..
In my view there plenty to go around... EVEN YOU or I, are not immune.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 11:13 am

Leaf.. Let me ask you..

Do you think Trump turns people into being racist, fascist, homophobes, misogynists, hateful, narrowminded, elitist, uncompasionate, non empathic, greedy, self centered, and STUPID.
You think Trump turns people into Neo Nazi's, Muslim haters, sexual assaulters. Liars, Criminals....

Trump doesn't turn anybody into anything they're not already..
And if you ever believe your not stupid, because they are...You will prove your own point..that Trump turned you that way. Trump can't make you smart.. but he sure can prove you are stupid.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/7/2020 1:46 pm

".I'm a college educated protestant while collar voter. We all just get one vote. But as an activist most of my life I can tell you that you vastly underestimate black voters in America. It's been somewhat of a surprise but a lot of activists I've been in the field with have shared with me, and other activists, that over the years the dumbest voters they've encountered are usually white."

I love it.. tooting your own horn..You understand it better.. being a college graduate and an activist..WOW!.. nee I say more to believe you.

But here the irony and the rub...There is always stuff you don't know.. There is always someone smarter. There always someone who knows it better. and more important knows how to USE it better.That's not me..I'm not a player, I laugh at people who think they are..
But certainly YOU are a Player, you have the "right" to play.. Pack yourself on the back for that.
But me.. I chuckle and shake my head..at the stupidity of it all..
And the amazement of how the "player" is the first one to GET PLAYED.

I certainly try not to allow people to see Trump, as they choose to see him. I certainly do not try to justify them.. But yet you get played.. you allow them to see him that way.. you justify them seeing him that way..And the irony, that you may be a player, but you are player who can't see it..who doesn't know the score. You're just trying to win the GAME just like them.


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
2/7/2020 2:00 pm

Told you he wouldn't be impeached!


TxJW_E 81M

2/7/2020 3:08 pm

Jiminy you would be a big help to ( me ) if you stayed with the good vs bad of each individual candidate. As we move toward the election. Don't just pick one. Analyze all of them. I do not need or want persuasion but I appreciate what people know.

You are getting side tracked on trump and everybody out there knows what he is.
Plus his daily actions demonstrate better than what anyone can say.
Politic On!


TxJW_E 81M

2/7/2020 6:06 pm

Nileyears
Thank yourself very much. LOL
Party On!


LeafReport 73M

2/8/2020 1:05 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    ".I'm a college educated protestant while collar voter. We all just get one vote. But as an activist most of my life I can tell you that you vastly underestimate black voters in America. It's been somewhat of a surprise but a lot of activists I've been in the field with have shared with me, and other activists, that over the years the dumbest voters they've encountered are usually white."

    I love it.. tooting your own horn..You understand it better.. being a college graduate and an activist..WOW!.. nee I say more to believe you.

    But here the irony and the rub...There is always stuff you don't know.. There is always someone smarter. There always someone who knows it better. and more important knows how to USE it better.That's not me..I'm not a player, I laugh at people who think they are..
    But certainly YOU are a Player, you have the "right" to play.. Pack yourself on the back for that.
    But me.. I chuckle and shake my head..at the stupidity of it all..
    And the amazement of how the "player" is the first one to GET PLAYED.

    I certainly try not to allow people to see Trump, as they choose to see him. I certainly do not try to justify them.. But yet you get played.. you allow them to see him that way.. you justify them seeing him that way..And the irony, that you may be a player, but you are player who can't see it..who doesn't know the score. You're just trying to win the GAME just like them.
There are many voters like you...who don't give a shit. That doesn't make you unique Cricket. It doesn't make you ignorant either. You are one of millions just like you. That's all I'm saying. The American electorate is complex in many ways and every time you attempt to stereotype them it just reeks of an arrogant blindness to reality. It's easy to see a devil Cricket....it's always been easy to see a devil...always.


Rentier2 79M
950 posts
2/9/2020 7:07 am

    Quoting Nileyears:
    Told you he wouldn't be impeached!
He was impeached.
He wasn't convicted, and we all knew that would be the case.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/9/2020 8:36 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    There are many voters like you...who don't give a shit. That doesn't make you unique Cricket. It doesn't make you ignorant either. You are one of millions just like you. That's all I'm saying. The American electorate is complex in many ways and every time you attempt to stereotype them it just reeks of an arrogant blindness to reality. It's easy to see a devil Cricket....it's always been easy to see a devil...always.
the idea is you accept a 'label' and I don't.. When I talk of about things people believe or do.. I am not considering the "label" of Democrat or Republican..I do not identify things that way

I TALK OF PEOPLE WHO FIT THE DESCRIPTION....NOT THE LABEL THAT IDENTIFIES THE PERSON.

I can't tell how many times I have used a description of person who is Republican..To Try and point out something about YOU.
Of course that CAN'T be YOU because you are NOT Republican!

You can hardly say anything about Trump that isn't reflective of Republicans.
I honestly, can't say any thing about Trump.. that's reflective of ANYBODY.

We see things from opposite ends..You describe Trump to describe Republicans.
.I can't do that to Republicans.. For me it gives Trump too much credibility and Credit.
I believe that we ALL are both republicans and democrats..We express one side or the other. But try as we might we can't dismiss that other side of US.. So when you label, whether it be good or bad.. You aren't describing your label.. YOU ARE DESCRIBING EVERYBODY