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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
1/27/2020 8:19 am
Let it play out


When Bolton's book and his testimony comes out, It's not the truth about Trump and the Ukraine, We know that already... but the coverup... the 'big' picture

Why Yovanovich had to be let go. it wasn't her favoring Biden, or dislike for Trump, it was about the power she held over the Ukraine. She was the ONE and only one that could prevent Zeellenski from going along with the deal

Bolton gave us the key to Trump and his decision about the Ukraine.. The question is NOT about Trump holding the military aid to get the investigation.. The question is what was he going to do about it, if Zellenski didn't relent?

I wish this had played out.. I wish there was No whistleblower...I wish Zellenski never relented. i wish the Democrats did everything in their power to support Zellenski not relenting.. I wish Democrat sought the support of Germany and other Europeans countries to assure Zellenski, he Didn't have to do it.
I am am certain Yovanovich would have done that. to Try and convince the Ukraine they didn't have to do it.
If that had happened... what would have happen then?

Trump in his arrogance and the Art of the Deal is to make someone an offer they can't refuse.. Well the lesson we need to learn comes with their refusal to make any DEAL with Trump.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/27/2020 8:43 am

So what is the coverup.. what is the big picture..?

As Pelosi said all roads lead to Russia.

We play each play like it's the end..Win or lose...
We forget the game that's being played and the coverup.
Whether intentional or not.. the big picture of the game being played is TREASON, TREASON, TREASON.

Let me ask you.. What's happening in Syria.. what's happening in Turkey what happening to the Kurds. What's happening in Iran..What's happening in the Baltics. What's happening with NATO...What's happening with corruption and the corruption of the Ukraine. ALL corruption in the Ukraine leads to Russia.. What's happening with the delay and possible reduction or prevention of military aid to the Ukraine.. What's happening with Trump NOT giving Zellenski a meeting.. What's happening with Rudy Gullianni and who he's meeting, and his associates.. What's happening with the election interference of Russia in 2016, What's happening with Russian interference in the election in 2020.. What happening In Russia?
What's happening to our Intelligence agencies,, the DOJ, The Senate. What happens to people who don't play ball with Trump and Russia?

Bolton said it.. You just didn't hear it..

YOU DON'T KNOW..BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO KNOW.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/27/2020 9:22 am

I know most of you don't care.. don't even know the Ukraine and what it means..

At this time and place there is no country on the planet that have MORE value to US, to US, to US than the Ukraine.. The Ukraine is the epitome of our foreign policy . it is the measure of success of any foreign policy we have. We certainly can support the people of Hong Kong, and the Kurds.. but they are NOT the where all, end all of our foreign policy, for they are NOT Countries. They are simply suppreseds people..as are many others are in the world.

The Ukraine as a country is the test of political, and economic advancement of the United States.

Now compare that to the investigation of Ukraine election interference and the Bidens
The accusations against the Bidens, and the failure of our own government intelligence agencies, with the support of our President, to be able to gather the necessary documentation and evidence to support an investigation.

WE would hurt or most advantageous partner in the world..to do an unfounded investigation.?
So tell me... What's up with that.. Tell me it's about the Bidens.
and I'll tell you.. You don't give a shit about US...just YOU...
You don't give a shit about the value of the Ukraine to US. You don't care that Russia is an adversary.

And more importantly.. You don't like Trump because you like him..but because you are Like him.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/27/2020 1:03 pm

    Quoting  :

We make the Bidens the primary focus..but there was more to it.
The investigation into Ukraine interference in 2016
The Russian propaganda of Ukraine corruption and Ukraine interference.. designed to promote themselves, assist in their take back, and the credibility and sustainability of The opposition
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Now substitute Trump for Russian... and Biden for the Ukraine.
The goal for both was the same. The support, the aid, the bipartisanship of congress, The challenge to the Constitution..Was in common interest of Russia and Trump...
The destruction of both, the Biden's and The Ukraine's credibility and support

Both Russia and Trump gained... not in the total success of this, but in the questioning and mitigating of the support of Biden and the Ukraine
The results of which... was the Ukraine may have not gotten the aid already given, Unless they relented. But certainly the next decision on aid would not receive the same bi-partisan support. The corruption idea, that was first negated in this aid , would become the factor of the next.. Russia and Trump would have created it, and then used it.. It's like Mob bosses that set up their competition to be taken down.

But like I said.. if Ukraine didn't relent...It would sure become more evident what Trump was doing. Trump's own corruption and his collusion with Russia.
In all aspects of dealing with others, Trump and Russia, both used the leverage of "survival" to overcome what's right. Trump is doing it .. He does it all the time.. to bring the fear. the fear of Liberals, the fear of immigration, the fear of the economy, the fear of Race...It's not intended for people to do what's right, it's intended to make people fear for their survival.. He's even doing it in this impeachment hearing.. Republican not doing what's right, but doing it for their survival.

We tend to ignore Russia and it's corruption of the Ukraine ...It is used to destroy the credibility of the Ukraine.. This is the propaganda that Trump was supporting.. The Bidens were just some added icing... so Trump got something in return.

You can try and make it another way.. but Trump does what Russia does. But when you measure the results. Biden was the uncooked small potato .. the "cooking" of the Ukraine was the "Big Kahuna".


LeafReport 73M

1/27/2020 3:43 pm

You're right about the complexity of all it. I've long been convinced that Trump is being used by Putin to establish a dynamic that strengthens Russia by default, by weakening America from within. It is not a single focused prong of attack. That doesn't work in today's world. You bet it's complex. The clue comes from the video Parnas apparently came up with. WHY, WHY would Trump casually ask how long could Ukraine last without aid? It's deeper than people realize in my view. Russia is nervous about Biden and why wouldn't they be. He's the only candidate with a deep appreciation of foreign affairs, the players involved, and with access to high level strategic thinking of Democratic power brokers. Foreign policy is not the sort of thing that is managed day to day without perpetual maneuvering. It's not a problem that gets solved...problems evolve into bigger or smaller problems. The American people lose that perspective because we are impatient.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/28/2020 2:24 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    You're right about the complexity of all it. I've long been convinced that Trump is being used by Putin to establish a dynamic that strengthens Russia by default, by weakening America from within. It is not a single focused prong of attack. That doesn't work in today's world. You bet it's complex. The clue comes from the video Parnas apparently came up with. WHY, WHY would Trump casually ask how long could Ukraine last without aid? It's deeper than people realize in my view. Russia is nervous about Biden and why wouldn't they be. He's the only candidate with a deep appreciation of foreign affairs, the players involved, and with access to high level strategic thinking of Democratic power brokers. Foreign policy is not the sort of thing that is managed day to day without perpetual maneuvering. It's not a problem that gets solved...problems evolve into bigger or smaller problems. The American people lose that perspective because we are impatient.
Yes exactly..
American are impatient, singularly focused, and and have expectation of the results..When the results are not what matters. When their impatience and focus is used against them.

I keep telling you the idea of the small potatoes and their coverup..He keeps Americans focused on the small potatoes, He creates impatient about the small potatoes. He diminishes the small potato effect..He thwarts the results American expect from the small potatoes. All to coverup the big picture.
Trump is being investigated for what we already know is true. Trump is tried for what we already know is true. It's just a waste of time.. And as time goes by, It becomes less likely that Trump will be investigated and tried for thing we don't know NOW...There is so much of that..it's unbelievable.
you have described Trump's reason for the coverup..It not the small potatoes.. it's about NOT adding two and two together, so as one can create "the big picture"
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/28/2020 3:05 am

lets take "leverage" for example Trump will admit it.. He uses leverage to make the deal.. it's in his book. Leverage to Trump is a good thing.

but Trump doesn't draw the line..

If leverage is good and blackmail and bribery are forms of leverage.. then blackmail and bribery is good..He doesn't know the difference..If you do, he will explain his blackmail and bribery...as leverage.. not blackmail and bribery..He WOULDN'T do blackmail or bribery..He does leverage..Trump actually thinks it's okay.

Trump said "No Quid Pro Quo' People have to do it because they want to..
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A President of United States has Never told a greater Lie..

The truth is with Trump.....There is always Quid pro Quo.. and people always have to do what he wants them to do. There are no limits to what he will do.. to Make the Deal.

Trump the other day said...He can't understand why American dealing in foreign countries can't use bribery..everyone else does? He wants to change that..Allow bribery, it's just leverage to level the playing field......that makes sense to some people in America..I say WTF? are those people thinking? Everyone of them is a Trump supporter. It is a constant to me of a Trump supporter about EVERYTHING....it's just impossible to avoid it. WTF are those people thinking?


TxJW_B 81M

1/28/2020 2:36 pm

Our system thrives on bribery & quid pro quo. (corporate campaign donations.)

No quid pro quo when the little guy donates.------He or she is not represented and can not swing anything meaningful to a congressman.