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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
1/24/2020 5:05 am
Bloomberg..The next President..


As we look to Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.. We are looking in the wrong places. It will be like.. beating your meat, sucking a tree, closing the plantation, or not taking the gamble.
Look to California..That will decide it.
It won't be decided on some pig farm, Maple syrup tree, plantation, or Casino.
It will be decided in Hollywood...Not Dollywood or Disneyworld, or a county fair, or the lights of Las Vegas or the cobblestone streets of Concord and Charleston..

It will come down to Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg. Not some has been, Not some gay guy, or Mother Teresa.. yelling We can do it..I got the plan..
As much as California is Progressive.. they are not stupid.. More pragmatic than we give them credit for.. they have not given up on their past...A past in which "The Look" and "The Money"..was All one needed..Bernie Sander will get beat in California..because he doesn't have "The Look" and he doesn't have "The Money.".
And..... As so goes California..so will go the country.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/24/2020 5:22 am

Yes leaf.. I have given up on Amy.. Bloomberg threw a monkey wrench in that..
Klobuchar, had the slim chance to change that by gaining "The Look" of being presidential.. and with the convergence of things that could happen. but she's lost her chance....

Bloomberg has "the look" he has "the money"... Democrats won't have to donate.. Someone else will "pay their way" and pave the road. Need i say more...and to send Trump packing, out of town. Two birds with one stone's throw.

Bloomberg is planning on spending over a BILLION dollars.. who can compete with that? If your going to put a horse in the race...It might as well be a gift. horse.

And you think"policy" has anything to do with it...Shame on YOU..


LeafReport 73M

1/24/2020 4:09 pm

I agree it won't be decided in the early 4. Caucus states are worthless and the other two cancel each other out.


LeafReport 73M

1/24/2020 4:11 pm

I give you credit for vision Cricket....that's not small potatoes.


LeafReport 73M

1/24/2020 5:17 pm

Policy has EVERYTHING to do with it...shame on you frankly for not realizing this.


LeafReport 73M

1/25/2020 3:03 am

Good Morning Cricket. Wanted to take a few to follow up here. I was glad that you mentioned California is pragmatic. That's not a view you often hear sir, but you are certainly right on that. I won't predict what California will do here but they were smart enough to know what Jerry Brown could do for them and they were ultimately proven quite right there. California is unique but they do often set the stage for the rest of the country. America should pay attention not only to the states successes but their failures too and I think they do. When you examine things closely you often discover that states that follow usually make out good, benefiting from the ability to tweak whatever they see. Those that are too stubborn fall woefully behind and rarely catch up...usually having to wait until a completely new generation emerges to force them to get with the program.

So, I'm hoping it pays off for Bloomberg. His ads are the best I've ever seen in a political campaign - smart, positive, technically completely up to today's standards which one would hope for from every candidate, and the contrast with what you get from Trump on a daily basis reminds all of us what is possible...salvation. I just think its the best hope for a return to normalcy and defeat of Trump and can provide a path forward for some kind of progress that moves us forward in ways the public can get behind. Just the prospect of some kind of reuniting purpose is what I hope for. I'm not confident that anybody else presents a better prospect for those goals...which I admit are mine.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/25/2020 5:35 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Good Morning Cricket. Wanted to take a few to follow up here. I was glad that you mentioned California is pragmatic. That's not a view you often hear sir, but you are certainly right on that. I won't predict what California will do here but they were smart enough to know what Jerry Brown could do for them and they were ultimately proven quite right there. California is unique but they do often set the stage for the rest of the country. America should pay attention not only to the states successes but their failures too and I think they do. When you examine things closely you often discover that states that follow usually make out good, benefiting from the ability to tweak whatever they see. Those that are too stubborn fall woefully behind and rarely catch up...usually having to wait until a completely new generation emerges to force them to get with the program.

    So, I'm hoping it pays off for Bloomberg. His ads are the best I've ever seen in a political campaign - smart, positive, technically completely up to today's standards which one would hope for from every candidate, and the contrast with what you get from Trump on a daily basis reminds all of us what is possible...salvation. I just think its the best hope for a return to normalcy and defeat of Trump and can provide a path forward for some kind of progress that moves us forward in ways the public can get behind. Just the prospect of some kind of reuniting purpose is what I hope for. I'm not confident that anybody else presents a better prospect for those goals...which I admit are mine.
I agree accept fot the policy part.. It's a general statement not specifics policy in the which the democrat candidates try to separate themselves.. that doesn't matter.

It's pretty simple really..

Bernie and Warren bring with them a division as president..overstated progressive policy will continue the divide.. Mayor Pete will be castrated. and every pubic hair examined, creating a further divide..(although I still like him the best). Biden will carry the baggage of the past, and the baggage of the present.
I felt Amy Klobuchar.. if she could sell it.. would not bring any of that in.. but i think she couldn't overcome "The NO Look" of the presidency.
Bloomberg's.. got the look and the money...the pragmatic part for me.. Is not looking that gift horse in the mouth. I'll deal with his policies when I find out what they are as President. At this point, I ain't buying his add as to substance
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LeafReport 73M

1/26/2020 2:46 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I agree accept fot the policy part.. It's a general statement not specifics policy in the which the democrat candidates try to separate themselves.. that doesn't matter.

    It's pretty simple really..

    Bernie and Warren bring with them a division as president..overstated progressive policy will continue the divide.. Mayor Pete will be castrated. and every pubic hair examined, creating a further divide..(although I still like him the best). Biden will carry the baggage of the past, and the baggage of the present.
    I felt Amy Klobuchar.. if she could sell it.. would not bring any of that in.. but i think she couldn't overcome "The NO Look" of the presidency.
    Bloomberg's.. got the look and the money...the pragmatic part for me.. Is not looking that gift horse in the mouth. I'll deal with his policies when I find out what they are as President. At this point, I ain't buying his add as to substance.
The thing about policy for me is how it shapes my preferences early in campaigns. I'm always hopeful it will be policy that emerges as the biggest component in how the vote comes out. I think that is the case for most voters. Campaign on launching a war and see how far you get. It's rare, BUT, sometimes it works. Advocate for major cuts in Social Security and see how far that gets you. So policy does count, but it ultimately fades as the field inevitably narrows and doesn't pick up again until after nominations are settled and lines in the sand are drawn. It is about the direction a candidate wants to move the nation that matters. On that point I agree with you, but direction doesn't matter that much when its really a case of hair splitting as long as the field has many candidates.

You do get to a point when you have to consider optics a bit....can you visualize someone as the face of the country, leading a majority of the populace without creating massive demonstrations all over the country. Bloomberg does fit that mold, competent, confident, and credibly compassionate without a hint of recklessness. Even with Obama there was a sense of doubt early on - a byproduct of inexperience. Bloomberg doesn't have that baggage. America will be able to sleep at night and that's in sharp contrast to where the country is now. I don't care about the money part of it really, as long as there is enough of it to run a national campaign and there isn't an overwhelming suspicion that an elected official will succumb to influence peddling and take policy positions clearly not in the national interest. I know a lot of politicians swim in the gray areas but I can generally live with that. It's when some resort to insider trading or advocating oil drilling in a national park or voting for building 1000 new tanks manufactured in their districts when I find myself holding my nose. Trump has clearly crossed the line by not releasing his tax return among other matters. I never felt that were Romney to have won he would have acted similarly, and I feel the same about Bloomberg. I could be proven wrong on that I suppose. As great as it would be for all candidates to have modest means the threat of corruption is forever apparent. We are discovering right now just how bad it can get. Policy matters.


LeafReport 73M

1/26/2020 3:17 am

What I see in Bloomberg is a man who won't ignore climate change and who will see, and act in ways that transform our quality of life as a result of it and create economic opportunity along the way. He will get that done in congress. He won't recklessly wade into the trap of wars. He won't abuse immigrants. He won't nominate people with extreme views to court appointments. He will work to restore diplomatic relationships and rebuild the State Department. He won't spend us into bankruptcy with ridiculously large defense budgets. He won't cut taxes for the wealthy. He won't cut Social Security and he won't ignore problems in health care. He is the ONLY person in America who will actually do something about gun violence. He won't go down the road of free college. He won't characterize brain damage of veterans as headaches. He won't cover for Putin. He will end trade wars. He won't cut off the press and compromise our right to know what is going on. He won't insult or intimidate private citizens. He won't ignore congressional subpoenas. He won't ignore terrorism but he won't turn a blind eye toward genocides either.

Policy matters Cricket...but yes I'll deal with policy when it emerges in a presidency too. There is still time to listen of course to others....but I've found a comfort level with Bloomberg...for now.


LeafReport 73M

1/26/2020 3:49 am

Actually Cricket...it's important for me at least...to go a bit further. Bloomberg will let the FBI and Intelligence agencies do their job in peace, and that means he will rid the nation of disturbing leadership at Justice. Bloomberg will insist the military effectively address sexual harassment problems but he won't publicly embarrass generals. There will be fewer Executive Orders but he won't eliminate them entirely. He won't abuse pardon power, nor will he escape the inevitable controversy associated with it. it won't be a perfect presidency but it will be a lot better for America's middle class. If there is one area I do not yet find comfort it would be policy associated with the social safety net. I don't fear he will recklessly compromise it, but the need to do a lot more is readily apparent and I'm not convinced he grasps that completely. We need to do more than just save Social Security. Too many retirees are at risk. There is still too many hungry children in America and housing affordability is a huge problem. We need bold solutions and I need the details.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/26/2020 4:57 am

We agree policy matters except for a different reason.. I don't want to give you that power. Not Now..
The Candidate i would want MUST be a moderate.
The Democrat win ......Must not be a power grab.

The impeachment hearing will go to dismissal. which is beyond belief.. The argument being made by the President's counsel is Totally absurd.. Just like the President.
I listen to them and I get the same sick tomy stomach, just like I get when listening to the President.
You would argue against them for their unfounded accusations, Character assassinations, and Lies...Just like you would against the President..It angers you because you see what they are trying to do to Democrats. You think you need to stop them from getting away with it..
Again I talk about the how and not the what..Again you look at what and it angers you.. I look at the how and laugh at them. They aren't getting away with anything.
In the how...They are revealing their own character. not that of Democrats.
They are damaging, no one but themselves. They believe this to be an opportunity to further accuse the Bidens.. So as to try and make Trump Right.. Granted they are preaching to their choir.. but no one else. believes it or would believe it. Trump supporter don't need evidence they just need the accusation.. It's ironic that, that is exactly what Trump was doing with the Ukraine, an unsubstantiated accusation.
So the die was cast..Republican Senators are forced to go along. dismissal is assured. Every single person who would believe Documents and Testimony of material fact is important will come to see the truth.

So you would ask what's the point.. well the point of this impeachment , contrary to what we are told, that it's about Trump..It's NOT.. This is an impeachment of The Republican senate, how they go about their business...
of course,, they will not be found innocent or guilty.....Until November of 2020.

Any new evidence would not be good against Trump, the results the same, But the rub is... The new evidence from this impeachment til November will hang the Republican Senate.
In the scope things.. that is what matters. Not Trump. The Democrat have expanded their campaign of 2020.. To now include almost every Republican senator.Democrats just got their campaign ammunition. On virtually every single government office position headed by a Trump supporter.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/26/2020 5:10 am

Okay so why do we disagree about policy?

First the most important thing.. is a fair election.. I'm not talking about foreign interference, false ads, propaganda, lies..Been there done that.. fool me once, shame on you..... fool me twice shame on me..
I'm talking about ballot box stuff.. cheating at the ballot box.. the evidence is clear of the lengths Republicans will go to get elected in support of Trump.

Given a fair election,, and they it way it will go from now to November.. Democrats will win the House and win the Senate and win the Presidency. Given the wrong person as President.. That is too much power. As one house manager said.. absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If things go that way.. the onus will change.. and instead of Congressional oversight of the presidency.. We will need President oversight of Congress. We won't need someone to feed that beast.


LeafReport 73M

1/26/2020 2:11 pm

I can accept your arguments here. I see impeachment as very successful to this point. However if this fails to lead to further and significant purge of those in Congress who continue to thwart the promise of functioning democracy my faith in the electorate will erode to the point where I will respond with total devotion to survival as we have discussed. It's the 11th hour.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/27/2020 7:54 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I can accept your arguments here. I see impeachment as very successful to this point. However if this fails to lead to further and significant purge of those in Congress who continue to thwart the promise of functioning democracy my faith in the electorate will erode to the point where I will respond with total devotion to survival as we have discussed. It's the 11th hour.
I am trying to help you out here.

We agree..however.. There is one difference..I accept your premise..but you do not.
You put the cart before the horse..The results before how you get there.

I have only one issue to be able to agree with you.. that is the results of a FAIR elections..You assume that to be true.. I do not.

For me there is only one truth that proves what you say.. A FAIR election.

If you believe in the truth and want to prove or disprove your assertions..The only way to do it.. Is a FAIR election.

So let me ask you .. what is more important?..... that Trump doesn't get elected... or we have a FAIR election..
If you believe what you say is true..Then the only criteria to prove it.. is a FAIR election. One way or another..
I may be naive.....I may be arrogant in my beliefs. But I don't need confirmation..I honestly believe that with a Fair Election you will get what you want. If in a fair election you don't get what you want...Then you will get what you deserve.
Forget about Trump and his supporters.. and do everything in your power to make sure this coming election will be FAIR. At this time and this place that is my ONLY uncertainty. You may not accept an unfair election..But Trump and his supporters WILL.


LeafReport 73M

1/27/2020 7:09 pm

Of course I want a fair election. I also wanted impeachment and I want removal now because of a just cause first and there is an urgent concern here.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/28/2020 4:05 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Of course I want a fair election. I also wanted impeachment and I want removal now because of a just cause first and there is an urgent concern here.
Ever heard the term a "pig in a poke"?

Yes American are impatient.....and they are willing to buy a 'pig in a poke"
How can you identify the problem and then become the problem?
How can something be urgent when the results are already known..
The choice in this impeachment hearing is acquittal or dismissal..we WANT acquittal.. because the results are already known. this impeachment hearing is POLITICAL...right or wrong no longer has anything to do with it. The politics of it requires each senators vote to be cast. logged, and used against them.. The Republican say this is a partisan impeachment..to prove it they become completely partisan..WTF wrong with trump supporters thinking?

This has gone too far, right or wrong... the hell with it..... You no longer should want to win this.. You should no longer want them to lose....you should want to BURY them...... I do .. I don't want to to just condemn trump's attorneys for their LIES, I don't want to prove the Republican Senators are just self serving, and treasonous... I want to BURY them all.. Trump has accused Democrats of partisanship, a witch hunt, over turning a legitimate election (no evidence of that, just the fact that Democrats stuffed the ballot box with 3 million votes) and hate.. when it wasn't..

Well, now it is..bring it on.
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The only urgency.. is a "sure thing" resolution of the problem..
not a "pig in a poke"