Blog : Leaf.. who's election is it?

5533 posts
12/22/2019 5:31 am

Leaf.. who's election is it?

You talk about narrowminded, ignorant Trump supporters? who are focused on the wrong things. who certainty about things prevent any logical analysis. who prejudice about things inspire hate...who self-centeredness voids any empathy and compassion.... You talk about their willingness CHEAT Win.. You talk about their morality.

Like Somehow you are a polar opposite.

Let me ask you some things?

If you thought you HAD WIN.. Would you cheat beat Trump.....Would it be worth it?
If you could restrict those ignorant fools from voting... would YOU?
Do you feel that because of ignorance, racism, and corruption that Trump supporters are less American?
Would you use leverage and manipulation convince people vote for a progressive movement. Would you shade the truth. only your advantage? In any disagreement with trump supporters.

As people draw a line in the sand.. that they would not cross...It just a mirage, put there for others not cross... Judge not unless thee be judged.

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/22/2019 5:56 am

You talk about the need for Democrats to have an "inspiring candidate".. I would agree the Amy Klobuchar is NOT inspiring. She is no Obama..FOR Democrats to win... need to be inspired? Like Trump inspired the Republican base?
You talk about the opportunity of progressive idea.. BIG Ideas...Like medicare for all, free education, Big bad money, Corruption, immigration, The swamp..Social security, Taxes, Climate change, racism and womens issues..In the absolute.... Like there are NO CHOICES.
You talk of ignorance and prejudice, and morality.. Not as problems...But to weaponize them against your opponents.
I constantly try to talk about the WHAT and the HOW.. you are incapable of seeing it.
The WHAT overwhelms you..
All the questions I have asked above..Once you can remove the What of it.. You will be able to see.. You are not that much different than those you oppose in using the tools of ignorance, prejudice, and morality.

Maybe you think I am trying to bring you down...Maybe you think, I saying I'm BETTER than You...Maybe you think I'm a hypocrite.....
I fight the divisiveness and division.. Not because I choose a side.. I fight it ..because there is NO SIDE. It is, in itself, MY Enemy.

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/22/2019 6:20 am

We can talk about all the 'bad" things about Trump...As OUR leader..as to what he emulates..As to to what he projects, as to what he inspires in Us..We can about the corrupt and criminal things he does...

I don't have to discuss all that... I don't have to know if it's true or not. Whatever is one's "cause" about it doesn't matter.

TRUMP is MY enemy...My only ENEMY.... I could argue with him.. if he actually believed in divisiveness and division as a matter of getting things done for US.. But that's not who he is... He USES divisiveness and division for his own purposes. He manipulates it.. to make his power. He creates it to get what he wants..
For that reason... he's not just My enemy.. I hate him.. Don't NEED any other reasons.

When Trump is gone ...I may find another.. who supports divisiveness and division. Who revels in it..
So let me ask you.... Do You want to ELECT that person, because they are on YOUR side? Because they inspire YOU

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/22/2019 6:46 am

Leaf....
Let's talk America First, Make America Great Again, nationalism, populism, elitism Enemies of the State, fake news, Alternate facts, and conspiracies....

You may think that Hitler inspired Nazism.. racism, and hatred.. Like you know WTF Nazism is........Like it's one of kind.....When It's not.....Just because you can name it..Doesn't completely describe it.

Hilter inspired.....patriotism, elitism, revenge and victimhood,
Hiltler USED prejudices, divisions, divisiveness, ignorance, and intolerance. to get the power and the control.

Hitler INSPIRED Germany.

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/22/2019 7:35 am

So let's talk the Democrat primary.. Candidates of preference...My preference is I will vote for anyone of them...simply because I hate Trump..
But If.. I also believe trump can't win.....who's my.. non preference..
First I begin with Sanders and Warren...They can try to be subtle about it...But they INSPIRE prejudice, ignorance, and hate. That is the basis of their inspiration..Like people need more than already have. About Republicans... Big money, Big Business and Corporations,
Saving the planet, saving the downtrodden, equality for inequality sake. Corruption for Morality sake..T
Twisting in the knife, because the time is right to do it ..
The hypocrisy of Warren and the narrowmindedness of Sanders

The big money of Bloomberg and Steyers.. that somehow... if they can buy an election they are more worthy.

To a lesser degree the Disconnect connection Yang has.. sounds good. he's got good ideas. that play well in fantasyland. but impossible to get done.

So i come to the Recovery.. not the advancement.. The recovery from Trump a do over...., not a return to the pre-Trump era.. but a correction to the pre-trump era.. Deal with the problem we had then. That created the ones we have now..

Biden, Buttigegg, and Klobchar. any of those would be find with me..
Buttigegg has the least chance of winning because he's GAY
Biden is too old, too set in his ways,and has an inability to attack the problem from different fronts. he will be singular

So I got to settle for Amy Klobuchar... I know people haven't figure it out yet.. she's not a polished politician.. she doesn't INSPIRE people, She's a Woman.
But here the rub..She has continually been elected in the Midwest.. Where only Republicans get that advantage.. She has gotten re-elected by wide margins.. because ..She's HONEST, and She gets things Done, and people get to see she is what she claims to be.

I know you can't read people..but somethings are obvious to me.. Why Amy Klobuchar is not a good politician.. why she had difficulty in debates...before the last one.. why it took so long for her to overcome her apprehension..
I could read it on her face...And I like her for it...She hates doing.. what she has to do to WIN.
That's why she apologized instead of giving a gift.

Looks are deceiving...don't judge the book on Amy by it's cover. she's fair but tough as nails. and that's what Inspires me..

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12/23/2019 4:10 am

jiminycricket1

Big Money, Big Business and Corporations don't need any inspiration of hate Cricket...lol

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12/23/2019 4:27 am

jiminycricket1

There you go again....LOL It's not about me Cricket it's about the country. Our society knows we have to cope with lying, in personal relationships, in business, in law enforcement, in government and in international relationships between nations. But the scope of lying with Trump touches all those bases in staggering frequency and absurdity. Fighting against all that shouldn't be as hard as it has become. An inspirational leader punctures that nightmare for everybody. America is seeking some kind of reassurance of a return to a level of integrity that they can count on so that coping with the lies left behind is actually manageable. What Romney never understood was the 50% + 1 strategy lacked that sense of 'hope' and that is why he lost to Obama. His campaign saw lying as a component of his strategy. But Trump has woven it deep into the fabric of our society leading to a hardening of the division. That kind of hardening is NOT spilling into the public consciousness from a single one of the democratic candidates, both still in the race and from those who have left it already. Calling out the lies is not divisiveness. Perpetuating them is. America has already decided they want it to cease. That is why the polls show Americans support the impeachment AND removal from office. They want the level playing field of reassuring fairness and honesty. That is ONLY going to come from the Democratic party.

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12/23/2019 4:32 am

jiminycricket1

You can never remove the 'What' Cricket and not expect to wander aimlessly. That's what the Israelites did, defying the truth and they wandered for decades. I'm not incapable of understanding your logic I just happen to think its bullshit.

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12/23/2019 4:40 am

jiminycricket1

I have not read Mein Kampf is that is what you are asking, but I am aware of the dangers of national socialism and of course the scourge of racism. I don't think I need to read it to grasp where it led. History tells the story quite vividly. A modern form of fascism has already arrived in America and I saw it coming. It's not even subtle anymore. We're there and its only going to get worse, and very, very soon.

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12/23/2019 4:47 am

Lastly, no I wouldn't go down the road of cheating to beat Trump. But the threat is so serious I wouldn't rule out the prospect that someone in campaigns generally might...and that someone was Trump and he just got caught in such a situation - likely defeat. So it is something that politicians have embraced in the past.

Americans generally see the 'fine print' manipulative and most of us want nothing to do with it, unless it gives us a way out...LOL

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12/23/2019 4:52 am

I suppose I should try and answer the question about 'less American'. No I don't see them as less American. But you betcha, I do see them as stupid in their support of Trump, many who I see are willingly ignorant. Mrs. Joe is one such Trump supporter. Bigblock doesn't fit that mold. I see him as just the opposition. There are a lot like him...hopelessly misguided now, but not worth abandoning. It's the Mrs. Joe types that harm the country and there are too many of them.

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/23/2019 6:57 am

it seems my words fail..

I keep talking about what and How..And you just keeping talking about the what.

I'm not trying to tell you that the what of it is wrong...It's just using a part truth.. A label, that should bring up multiple ideas, but the what of it always becomes singular.

Conservatism, Liberalism, Nazism, Racism, and Slavery. Are words that become labels Of what you think they mean When they mean more than what you think. the words become absolute.. when they are not absolute.

Those ideas, we choose to define quite different...Accentuating their difference.
Define them as different..and ignore the commonality....The commonality is in the HOW....
those ideas.. define the things....That's alright.
Until the how of those things defines people.

The how of it....That is unspoken... Is when you define those things... you define people. Not the thing..
It can be a part of a person but it CAN'T be the whole person..Each and every part you use to describe a word or a person, in the full measure of the word describes everyone in just degrees

so let me rephrase, my Questions, your absolutes and what i hear..

You can't cheat, but they can
You can be compassionate, but they can't
You can't be a racist, but they can
You can't be manipulating, leverage and blackmail, but they can
You can't be self-centered, but they can
You can't Lie. but they can
You can't be ignorant, but they can
You can be forgiving, but they can't
You can't be hypocritical, but they can.

So what do I see as your failure in this....Is not about what you think.. It's about what they think.. And if you can understand the how of it.....Those thing I hear you say, above....Are exactly the sames things they say.about you. You, and They void the common ground, and perpetuate

Of course you may not believe it,..You may think you define it different.. but It doesn't matter.. all that matters is When the WHAT of it ..becomes absolute.

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12/24/2019 2:50 am

jiminycricket1

Hi Cricket. If you wish to talk about political choices I would welcome that debate anytime, on any issue.

I wouldn't say your words fail. Sometimes you do a great job advance a point of view and sometimes you don't make a compelling case for me.

Have a wonderful Christmas

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12/24/2019 3:22 am

What is singular Cricket. I think the word you are actually looking for is theory instead. For example take the what of Communism. Now you can analyze it with theory....such as the domino effect. It branches out from there but the premise for the argument does not change. There are often many approaches that can be pursed to address a given problem. That reality does more to motivate people than just about anything else. It makes life fascinating and rewarding. How something occurs is always relevant but its never the driving force behind motivation. You seem lost when it comes to that, and thus you wander without end wondering why nobody wants to follow you in a circle. It is so easy to puncture just about any how you can possibly manufacture because there are always alternatives. This is the foundation of analysis itself.
but its pointless without the purpose to begin with. I've never argued with you about the relevance of how in anything. But when you stray from purposeful foundation there is nothing to 'understand' Cricket. There is nothing at all 'to see' so stop looking under a sofa and debate the alternatives to your heart's desire. Some people here try to point you in this direction...but you stubbornly wander aimlessly when you truly do see a lot of 'whats' worth talking about. Get er done dude....

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/24/2019 7:45 am

LeafReport

singular to me means.. single, one way, one idea. I happen to think in possibilities others think singular ones

I understand your idea of Theory..You explanation for that is "singular."..
i don't disagree With it..

You idea of communism was a good one.. There is an emotional response that is unwarranted. The idea of the singular thinking of communism is either theory or results. When it's neither and it's both.
We can say the same for America in both theory and results. To me the factors that fall in between are what matters. So the question, I ask, is how do we brings together the theory of America and the results of America.

You and those you oppose negate the essence of your arguments.. what is REAL and what is not REAL. Theory is not REAL...It has no substance....only results have substance. That's the singular you see..That's what your response says to me..I am spitting in the wind... if I talk theory.

I do blow against, which way the winds blowing..The idea that you and your opponents negate theory.. forces me to emphasize it.. if You talked all theory.. I would be forced to emphasize the results... They both matter.

Our Constitution is a real document.. an expression of the Founding Father theories,, of principle and values, of equality and compassion.. But it's not the document that is the theory.... it is the theory that is the document.. the founding fathers did a great job in trying to expressed their theories in the Constitution.. But they knew, what we would forget, That the document could NOT save US... ONLY Just the theories.

Our democracy and our constitution is in great peril.. there are no results that singularly, can save US..
WE have lost the HOW to the WHAT.. Nothing YOU express here can save US..Only our principles and values can determine the result...We are losing our principles and values, and in that regard results don't matter.

So what's the point what do I mean by "singular".. I mean if YOU win , or THEY win.. WE all Lose.

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
12/25/2019 2:01 am

Let me say something you can understand.
The Second amendment..

At the time it was written it conformed to theory...that theory is no longer applicable.

Guns rights advocate.. Use the Second amendment as an expression of a Founding theory.. that is Now used only as written... Not in regards to the principles and values of the Constitution.
The idea that the Second Amendment is in itself..the theory and the principle and the value....When it's NOT.. The words aren't the story

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12/25/2019 3:01 am

jiminycricket1

Your own theory may be evolving right before my eyes. I'll have to study what you wrote in the first place to evaluate what you're trying to convey now. I'm not sure they are even the same thing. I'm skeptical.

It doesn't do any good to misuse words like theory and that is what you are attempting to do here. That's not going to fly. Theories evolve from both known realities, such as how communism spread in the first place, and assumptions that are made on the basis of both actual and perceived results. One might assume that when you pour water on a fire it will extinguish it, and that has been proven true. But that doesn't mean that ANY liquid would achieve the same result. If faced with a fire and there were two bottles of unlabeled liquids at your disposal what would you do, and what do you think the masses would do if faced with the same problem? To address this dilemma evolved to the point where it became common place to put a labeled 'fire extinguisher' in place. Analysis led to this result and the facts drove it.

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12/26/2019 5:58 am

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Ah yes......different perspectives..

The analysis.......For me.. is not in the bottles of liquid...It's in the fire.

When I was in likke sixth grade.. In Sunday school a priest would give us riddles..
His riddle one day..
You are on an island with sheer cliffs, you are unable to climb down to get to the water. There was dry foliage throughout the island...A fire starts on the west end of the island, wind blows east, and you calculate within two hours the entire island will be consumed. you have nothing with you put out the fire. How can you survive?

I racked my brain trying to figure.. How I could protect myself, what I could use to put out the fire.. if I could dig a hole deep enough to survive..

The one thing I didn't think.. was how the fire could save me. How I could start another fire and the other end and burn the fuel before the other end got to me.

sometimes.. it's better to know your adversary...before you try to defeat your adversary..

You believe you got to fight the fire.. Understand, for you, what will put it out. before it consumes you.

I believe in understanding what fuels the fire, not what puts it out.