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Putting two and two together.. Some of you can't do it, others can't admit they can do it.. But don't be fooled everybody can do it. Everyone this drama has done it.. they only questions becomes when they did it.. Those involved in Ukraine policy did it immediately. Those not involved did it as soon a Gullianni became the point man. In 20, Gullianni first express his concern about Ukraine involvement in election interference and the Bidens... Publicly.. As much as Gullianni tried get traction with.. It wasn't working.. Gulianni dealt with both American and Ukraine officials in expressing his ideas. Ukraine in 20 was very familiar with Gullianni ideas about them. The Ukrianian and American diplomats were familiar with Gullianni's positions. but they too did not give it credence. Gullianni may have then been confronted by Trump as not getting it done.. and Trump was going to need to get involved. But Trump knew he could not trust anyone to expand on Guillianni's idea.. weren't already prison. So the idea of a new government, a new president, foriegn aid, and meetings.. were hatched by Trump get traction on Gullianni ideas. Ukraine and our ambassadors aren't .. and putting two and two together was easy as soon as Trump made Gullianni the point man. Ukraine knew, maybe not ALL the specifics, but they knew what Gullianni was expressing since 20 was what Trump wanted. and trump would not give , unless they did what Trump wanted. It didn't matter if it was military aid.. They knew Trump wouldn't give anything, the NEW President, if Trump didn't get what he wanted. the Ukraine had make a decision.. who America has the power? Ambassadors, Congress , the secretary of State , the courts, the people....OR THE PRESIDENT regards evidence. this is also an article of impeachment....Not the evidence, or the reason.... The Ukraine is a reason for impeachment.. Because what the Ukraine saw in America TODAY.. Is ONLY the President has the POWER... Of the people... by the people.... and for the people.. in America was just a bunch of malarkey.. There was going to be no difference between how they deal with Putin and how they are going to have to deal with Trump; |
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The order for aid was made May 23, the hold on aid was completed on July 18th.. The testimony is that Ukraine didn't know about the hold until Politico article of August 28th. There was testimony today that the Ukraine officials questioned about aid on July 25, but did not specifically say anything about the hold. Now between the partisanship and Amercanism.. you people are fricken STUPID. Does it seem possible that the Ukraine would even have the ability to interfere with DNC servers and effect our election.. but would not know, WTF?, is going on with the hold on Aid? I would venture to guess that the Ukraine knew about the hold of the aid before any department lower level official did. So if they did.. why didn't they say it..Why didn't the Ukraine specifically complain and reveal it? Well I will ask you.. What is the difference, in general, of what is CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.. between Us and the Ukraine.... The receipt of the information for the Ukraine was classified, to protect the methods and means they acquired the information. Now if I had to guess... i would say the American public is a heck of lot stupider than Ukraine.The idea that Russia does have FULL knowledge of what's going on.. makes them... also a lot smarter than the American Public. So again the impeachable offense.. is American Public knows less than Trump, The Ukraine, or RUSSIA.
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11/20/2019 6:23 pm |
No argument from me on stupidity of the public.
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I have thought all along that it should be obvious that the Ukrainians know which side their bread is buttered on......that of course they knew what was going on....that aid was of utmost importance to them and they were tracking it like a bulldog.......that they were not about to look the gift-horse in the mouth...re....doing what was required of them by the President and his men.....and that includes agreeing with the President....saying there was no quid pro quo.....saying there was no pressure......of course.....they are in an extremely vulnerable position.....Can you imagine the diplomatic maneuvering of Ukraine officials?.....the balancing act, stuck between Russia and US .....the relationships are extremely confusing.....the threats to their sovereignty , what is the relationship between Trump and Putin?.....how does their personal relationship weigh against the relationship of their countries?....... And then Trump and his henchmen pretend to Americans that the whole debacle is straight-forward and simple.....They appear to believe, or at least hope, that people are very stupid.....
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11/20/2019 7:18 pm |
I found republican questioning ridiculous in every hearing to this point.
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11/21/2019 1:31 am |
The mother of all repub questions. When was the meeting that didn't happen????????? LOLOL Party On!
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11/21/2019 2:16 am |
Gas company deals were being set up in the back ground. trump ,Perry, Giuliani etc. wanted a piece of what the Biden family already had. That is the reason for the second shadow group working in the Ukraine. Our corporate politicians send foreign aide to other countries and in turn the recipieints share the proceeds in shady deals with the providers. ALL OF THAT is why trump was surrounding himself with the now convicted crooks with ties to money laundering through other countries. Most notably Ukraine & Russia. People ask how politicians become filthy rich after being elected-------Think about it. Gas and oil is less traceable when it come to money laundering. Who knows how much actually comes from the ground? Could be a zillion OR ZERO. LOL The politicians ( BOTH PARTIES ) are exposing how they have always done business. Sooooooo look for all of this impeachment crap to die---dry up---blow away after the election and we will move on with the ingrained capitalist corporate corrupted system that we have become accustomed to. If they don't need a bailout they need a tax break to prevent another bailout. Wake up. trump is their experienced bankruptcy enabler. Party On! Party On!
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11/21/2019 2:51 am |
Jc you couldn’t put 2 and 2 together if someone paid you Sweetie -Scary You Work For IRS lol
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11/21/2019 2:52 am |
I have thought all along that it should be obvious that the Ukrainians know which side their bread is buttered on......that of course they knew what was going on....that aid was of utmost importance to them and they were tracking it like a bulldog.......that they were not about to look the gift-horse in the mouth...re....doing what was required of them by the President and his men.....and that includes agreeing with the President....saying there was no quid pro quo.....saying there was no pressure......of course.....they are in an extremely vulnerable position.....Can you imagine the diplomatic maneuvering of Ukraine officials?.....the balancing act, stuck between Russia and US .....the relationships are extremely confusing.....the threats to their sovereignty , what is the relationship between Trump and Putin?.....how does their personal relationship weigh against the relationship of their countries?....... And then Trump and his henchmen pretend to Americans that the whole debacle is straight-forward and simple.....They appear to believe, or at least hope, that people are very stupid.....
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I have thought all along that it should be obvious that the Ukrainians know which side their bread is buttered on......that of course they knew what was going on....that aid was of utmost importance to them and they were tracking it like a bulldog.......that they were not about to look the gift-horse in the mouth...re....doing what was required of them by the President and his men.....and that includes agreeing with the President....saying there was no quid pro quo.....saying there was no pressure......of course.....they are in an extremely vulnerable position.....Can you imagine the diplomatic maneuvering of Ukraine officials?.....the balancing act, stuck between Russia and US .....the relationships are extremely confusing.....the threats to their sovereignty , what is the relationship between Trump and Putin?.....how does their personal relationship weigh against the relationship of their countries?....... And then Trump and his henchmen pretend to Americans that the whole debacle is straight-forward and simple.....They appear to believe, or at least hope, that people are very stupid..... Why this whole thing got hand-grenaded.. The people at the white house knew what was going on....Led by Don "Corleone" Trump.....Mike 'Tom Hagen" Pence..... Michael "Michael" Bolton....."Sonny" Pompeo.....Gordon "Fredo' Sondland, Mick "Mcclarsky" Mulvaney...... Rudy "Luca Brazi" Gullianni... Rick "Clemeza" Perry and "Johnny Fontane" Volker... And the how they can "Make an offer you can't refuse". And the truth that Quid Pro quo.. has NOTHING to do with that. It's all Extortion, bribery and blackmail.. And the saying... If you don't Do me a "favor".. I'll do myself one. If you don't have the horse sense about it......How about I make YOU a horse head.. There are those.. that wanted no part of it...." Hagen" Pence and " Michael"Bolton.. screaming Leave me out... leave me out of it. There are those that said... how the f*ck did i get here.. and how do I get out of out it. "Johnny Fontaine" Volker There those who are "paid to enforce it.. Mulvaney " McLarkey" There are those.. that figured they could cut themselves out a part...Perry "Clemenza" there are those who take orders, and do the killing... "Luca" Gullianni. There are those that want to be part of the "family".. but don't have a fricken clue. "Fredo" Sondland . And a supporting cast of paid off...judges and a jury.. They thought they could keep it "in House" But Foreign Service is foreign to them...They thought they could keep it at bay.. Career officials...Leverage and blackmail them not to testify against them..They never thought there could be a good "Rat".. But forgot the one's the blow whistles. Pence and Bolton.. knew different.. It's was doomed from the start. And they never believed the "Godfather" was "Above the Law" You think Pence was purposely "cut out".. No he wanted out.. You think Bolton.. had power to get it fixed..Well all i got say is.. "Tell it to the Lawyers"
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The mother of all repub questions. When was the meeting that didn't happen????????? LOLOL Party On!
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You would defend Trump no matter the accusation.. well here's one for you.... Try this one on for size.. Because it's now Personal for me. No holds barred. The idea of this Ukraine thing is absurd.. There was no quid pro quo.. there was intention of using Ukraine for political reason (accept as a cover bet in case it worked).. there was no indication any of it would have worked,, and Trump opinion of Ukraine and other allies as help to Us and tools against fascism, autocrats and despots.. It just Bullshit. There is a quid Pro quo.. there is a conspiracy.. there is a reason for this Ukraine thing. And there is a real foreign effective interference in our elections to the benefit of Trump.... It' ALL About RUSSIA and PUTIN... nothing else matters.. So ..this isn't about abuse of power, obstruction of justice, high crimes and misdemeanors, about bribes or extortion or emoluments, or even about LIes. At this point any secret meetings with Putin, any secret calls to Putin, any secret channels to Putin, any secret dealing with Russia.. |any deaingl at all that involve Russia.. need to be under the microscope. need to be fully explained,, because no Other National security issue Trumps it. I am accusing the President of TREASON.... Defend it....While you don't do anything about it.
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This is absolutely the bottom line. It's no more complicated than what goes through one's mind peering out the window and seeing a home improvement salesman walking up the driveway....how to take a business card and shut the door in less than a minute. Republicans on that committee must believe everyone is stupid...it's unbelievable they embarrass themselves so willingly. Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi
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......... and the Democrats must believe that this impeachment request keeps the focus on the Republicans only and the "corruption playground Ukraine" of the former government will never be a talking point. You don't get it.. The level of corruption in the Ukraine.. Was almost entirely Russian.. Russia ran the corruption to destabilize a Ukraine government.. to provide chaos and distrust for the Ukrainian people.. to open doors for their influence.. and ultimately to force Ukraine into becoming a Russian satellite. It's seems like a game plan for them.. As they are doing the EXACT same thing here. It's absurd , with these events that have transpired.... to argue who is America's greatest enemy on this planet.. who has the most corrupt foreign policy.. who has the ideas of increasing territory and influence.. Who, Like Republicans are doing .. are willing to smear Us.. to get Us out of the way. There are plenty of countries that want Us out of the way, there are plenty of countries who would like to destroy Us. But we know who they are.. the say it to our face.. WE knew it with the Soviet Union.. as our greatest enemy...but the Soviet Union lost.. and the game plan has changed.. But there result is still the same Russia, is underhanded, and while smiling with Us, will stick the knife in our back.. you can bet on it. You need to start thinking about it.. What they do with Us is NOT for THEIR gain.. It's for our destruction.
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JC...... when you are seriously interested in what is going on in the world and your home country, I recommend not to collect all information from your favorite news channel. You have to dig a little deeper. As this is all about Ukraine, first find out where that country is located, its size, resources, which countries it boarders, and its history. Then look into the "revolution" 2014. Who might have been interested in regime change! What kind of money has been paid to start protests. The more you dig, the more you find. And then you may be able to make up your own mind. One can even sleep better at night when putting politics aside. Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi
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JC...... when you are seriously interested in what is going on in the world and your home country, I recommend not to collect all information from your favorite news channel. You have to dig a little deeper. As this is all about Ukraine, first find out where that country is located, its size, resources, which countries it boarders, and its history. Then look into the "revolution" 2014. Who might have been interested in regime change! What kind of money has been paid to start protests. The more you dig, the more you find. And then you may be able to make up your own mind. One can even sleep better at night when putting politics aside. I wish i could I know it's hard to understand with all the political regurgitation around here.. but I don't regurgitate anythings.. Am I exceptionally smart? NO.. What I am, right or wrong, is exceptionally thoughtful.. Whether or no you believe what I say is secondhand.. Let me assure you, from my perspective it's all original. I haven't found it anywhere else.. so let me challenge you to find it somewhere else.. My thought today was from the movie "Kingdom of Heaven".. When the good Christian King is challenge about being king.. And says... I am not the King.. I am Jerusalem,, So I try to put two and two together.. Trump is not the President of America... He is America. Of course, I know he thinks that..What's good for Trump is good for America. that's how he got elected, It's he mandate and proxy given to him.. These hearings are exactly about that..and the saying.. "MY country right or wrong" And who's defending What... Maybe you can't understand my meaning of words.. Both the differentiation and duality of things.. But in my view of the hearings on both sides are doing the same thing.. Defending America.. But it is disturbing to me...That, right or wrong, and the infallibility of Trump is seen by some as defending America.. Trump is America, and some have bought into the oldest con ever. My comparison is NOT of the leaders I am describing.. but the people and the con. Did, in the people's mind, Hitler represent Germany or was Germany represented by Hitler? Does Putin get his support from people,, because he represents Russia or because he is Russia.?
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A conspiracy to tell the truth? Or a conspiracy of lies.. Let me ask you... who's lying? Give me a name of anybody who has testified that has lied..? Nobody has lied except the republicans who lied Through their questions, the innuendos, and the propaganda they were spreading.. They had no intention of searching for the truth. Ironically the only one I can see who has fudged the truth... IS Volker..Fudged not because he lied but because he didn't tell the whole truth.He was hiding something. You could see it on his face. To me Volker made a decision.. to work within the corruption he knew. Like virtually every Trump administration member who has done so.. has gotten f*cked. He was careful not to fully disclosed what he knew..Because with the glorified adulation he received.. it could have ruined his reputation. He knew Trump got his claws in him.. And to extricate himself.. he would still get marked. Let me ask you question, the Republicans are trying to muddle it up.. That which is absolutely an easy truth.. HOW did the Aid get held.. Not the reason for it, not the justification for it .. just the procedure. Don't we have the right to know.. how it got held? and who held it... It's an easy truth.... except for the fact that if Trump alone gave the order.. it implies guilt for the results of holding Aid. Republicans are purposely hiding and lying as to the how.. because they simply have no alternative plausible reason that the withholding was NOT a personal decision of the President.. and done for personal reasons and personal benefits. Whatever those reason where. Why do Republicans not fully accept intelligence agency reports, that Russia is corrupt, destructive of our democracy, and conspiring against us... When trump says they are not.. because there is no plausible alternative that that stance isn't entirely.. about Trump's PERSONAL benefit. Why don't Republican , accept that the truth is not a conspiracy. That accusations are just as good as conviction. that the evidence against Trump is manufactured..the only plausible reason is those things.. act against Trump's personal benefit. Why must you believe that anything against Trump is a conspiracy.. which ironically is the only conspiracy I fully understand..not the conspiracy about convicting the president, but the conspiracy to protect the President,, That ignores ANY truth..That would indicate Trump's fallibility. Which he himself can not admit..for PERSONAL REASONS AND BENEFITS.. Why is it that anyone who opposes Trump is a conspirator...I tell you.. it amazes me.. that your conspiracy to protect Trump... is NOT political, It's not ideological, It's not Constitutional..It's not Moral... it's not even the truth.. It's Personal to you, because it's personal to trump.. and Ironically that Makes it Personal to me. I don't care what policies Trump supports, I don't care what political party Trump supports.. or Trump supporters... I don't care what country trump represents..Us or even Russia..I have made a transformation..of caring about any of that.. It's no longer care about our democracy, our morals, our corruption... or even if i am a member of a conspiracy.. that if existed .I would gladly join. It's about none of that, now.. because just like YOU and Trump.. It's become PERSONAL Whatever those reason where. Why do Republicans not fully accept intelligence agency reports, that Russia is corrupt, destructive of our democracy, and conspiring against us... When trump says they are not.. because there is no plausible alternative that that stance isn't entirely.. about Trump's PERSONAL benefit. Why don't Republican , accept that the truth is not a conspiracy. That accusations are just as good as conviction. that the evidence against Trump is manufactured..the only plausible reason is those things.. act against Trump's personal benefit. Why must you believe that anything against Trump is a conspiracy.. which ironically is the only conspiracy I fully understand..not the conspiracy about convicting the president, but the conspiracy to protect the President,, That ignores ANY truth..That would indicate Trump's fallibility. Which he himself can not admit..for PERSONAL REASONS AND BENEFITS.. Why is it that anyone who opposes Trump is a conspirator...I tell you.. it amazes me.. that your conspiracy to protect Trump... is NOT political, It's not ideological, It's not Constitutional..It's not Moral... it's not even the truth.. It's Personal to you, because it's personal to trump.. and Ironically that Makes it Personal to me. I don't care what policies Trump supports, I don't care what political party Trump supports.. or Trump supporters... I don't care what country trump represents..Us or even Russia..I have made a transformation..of caring about any of that.. It's no longer care about our democracy, our morals, our corruption... or even if i am a member of a conspiracy.. that if existed .I would gladly join. It's about none of that, now.. because just like YOU and Trump.. It's become PERSONAL
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