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jiminycricket1 74M
5510 posts
11/14/2019 4:29 am
Corruption


Trump talks of a witch hunt....It's a diversion, of course, not about the witch hunt.. but which witch we are hunting.

the talk of corruption... and that the Ukraine being one of the most corrupt countries is true..

It's true...because Russia has made it so..
There might be a lesson there about our own corruption.

It seems Trump has brought the fight against corruption.. to those in Ukraine and US who fight corruption.. I know you won't bother to check it ..But I have..
In the last ten years the corruption in the Ukraine...Was all under Russian Influence.. It was to the benefit of Russia.... Barisma. is entirely Russian corruption, not Ukrainian

I don't know the motivation, qualifications, or interest Hunter Biden had in taking the Ukraine job.. Don't need to... because I know the Ukraine's motivation. whether or not Hunter Biden was a just self-serving. a figure head, an American Plant, or a corruption participant.. Doesn't matter.
Hunter Biden, as with other new Board members, were NOT under Russian influence.

There was a New sheriff in town. And before he could do his job...He had make sure the Old-back stabbing ways were stopped. Even if that would expose The Ukraine to the backstabbing from allies,.......better allies than enemies.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/14/2019 6:32 am

As the articles of Impeachment are written... There appears to be a disagreement.. As to whether or not all the criminal acts of this President should be listed.. of Just the most offensive. like the Ukraine.

So.. you have to ask yourself... What is the procedure and purpose of this impeachment.. Well, one would think it's suppose to be an investigation, an inquiry, hearings, Articles of indictment, Senate Trial and then removing of a President.

But that's NOT what this impeachment is about..When evidence and proof and verdict... doesn't seem to matter above partisanship.
With partisanship it doesn't become about right or wrong .. it becomes about control... the factors of control is ironically, no different between the Parties.

Control the Presidency, control the senate, control the house, control the vote, control the people, control the propaganda, control the news cycles... Inspire their constituency with persuasion, motivation and inspiration AGAINST the OTHER SIDE?

So why are Democrats doing it. For all of the above.... control.. It's a Democrat offensive. when they have for three years been defending .. American Unity,
American justice, American "separation of powers", and the American Constitution...It's the offensive to do all the above. but they have choose the wrong enemy.

No matter what Republican say, threaten or propagandize...this impeachment puts them on their heels. Takes the offensive from them..It sets them up for defeat.. if not in the short term of impeachment .. it will in the long term

If you can believe what i am saying is accurate..... I suggest you think again about what is impeachment.

Okay, to answer my first paragraph Question.. Should the articles of impeachment be specific to an event or should it be general articles..of criminality
It should be both
And you ask... How can that be both?

It's a matter of finding the common thread...to multiple events.. To expose the common thread.. without BLAMING anyone in particular, but putting the onus on US all... Let the individual alone to determine the course of action., of whether impeachment is required.

These article of impeachment.. HAVE TO IMPEACH RUSSIA AND PUTIN... All actions from the First election interference to the Ukraine.. Have to IMPEACH RUSSIA. The Mueller report, is not OVER.. There have been more incidents oto prove The validity of Russia involvement... and collusion and Conspiracy.
Facilitating Russian goals.....Secret meetings with Putin and other Russian officials.... Continually using Russian operatives, and Russian connections For all Illicit events........ American conspiracies....Integrity of American institutions choosing Putin over that.... Failure to side with allies against Russia. Diminishing the power of NATO...Supporting Brexit....Failure to expose Turkey's involvement with Russia./.. Russia and Turkey's deals and Russia and Syria's deals And Russia and Iranian deals, Russia and North Korea's deall. Failure to expose specific Russian involvement in domestic and foreign policy. Failure to expose Russian bribery, extortion, money laundering, campaign finance, and specific emoluments to the President. Which appears, to me, to be the ONLY reason Trump will not provide his tax return..So that WE may follow the money.

The ironies about that are so thick..you can't see through them.
Democrats want to blame Trump and Republican...And Republican want to hide it.
The irony that Democrats....Don't really care about Russia.. they care about Trump's lying, Trump manipulating, Trump's propaganda, Trump dividing. Racism, Trump's other emoluments, And defending a Constitution.. that doesn't need defending from Republicans.. All these thing.. do nothing to expose the reasons for impeachment.

While the Republican..get to ignore their only common thread.. Their patriotism.
To hide from a WAR we having with Russia...Yes it a war...
The traitor is not for me say....but for US to say through the the actions he TAKES
Treason is the only bi-partisan thing to agree upon..

If you disagree don't tell me, I'm lying and don't tell me I don't know what it is.
TELL ME...WTF?.. YOU THINK IT IS? .....What else it could be..
One thing I know... you know for sure.... it's a SECRET... The Hallmark of TREASON.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/14/2019 7:01 am

Democrats....are just as bad as Republicans.. Their commonality is both a pride in AMERICA, and a disrespect for Americans..

The failure of both both parties to realize that treason is not about...understanding what it means, intent, or motivation. none of those thing matter.. The treason is in the action not in the understanding.. When Trump sides with Russia.. if secretly..it doesn't matter the reason.

Democrats don't want to make it about TREASON...
They lose their leverage, They lose the ability to bash Republicans. They lose their ability to control, they lose their ability to make impeachment about "other stuff" they can benefit from....
Unsuccessful.. mean it all goes back to square one.....They don't want to go there.
When that is the ONLY place to go. You think this impeachment is going to solve...Racism, healthcare, Jobs, income inequality, guns control, big business, deregulation, immigration, taxes, deficits, social security and medicare.?
Democrats need to forget all that other crap..and how it's effected by bribery, collusion, emoluments, disunity. Lies, .. all of it, is just a matter of opinion..

There is only one grounds for impeachment, that would be bi-partisan, that would be the removal of this President..make the case or not..

TREASON


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/14/2019 1:29 pm

    Quoting  :

Your right everybody has their opinion.. about immigration, healthcare, taxes, and such.
So one opinion winning over another is NOT grounds for impeachment

Let me ask you... Is Treason grounds for impeachment? If Trump is supporting Russian policy over American policy.. is that impeachable?
I will try to listen to you.. about Your reasons to believe his ACTIONS, about everything Russian, aren't Treason
Why must Trump keep his discussion with Putin SECRET.?
Why must Trump lie about removing Troops for Syria.. When his actions are to increase our presents in the name Of OIL.?

Why is it, that Trump believes Ukraine is working against him..Using it As a reason for his demands of investigations, corruption, and election interference?
Why is it that Russia is the only country that benefits from Trumps dealing with Ukraine?
Why is it.. that the corruption in the Ukraine is entirely Russian. ?
Why is that Barisma, the energy company in the Ukraine, When finally being able to separate themselves from Russian corruption and control is attacked..
Why is that the Russians can designate that Ukraine has no rights in the Black Sea and it is supported by Trump.?.
Why is it Trump held Security aid from Ukraine.. instead of blankets and medicine..?
Why is it that Gulliani's cohorts in the Ukrianne "drug deal" are all Russian agents.?.
Why is it the Gullianni was being paid by those cohort with Russain money.$500,000..when those.. cohorts didn't have a pot to piss in.?
Why is it that the purpose of their fight against Ukriane corruption.. Was to to return Barisma to Russian control and corruption. And using the diversion of corruption....By using Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and the Us ambassadors, as the cause?
Why is that our ambassadors feel there was shadow policy.. when in fact Yovanovitch. spent her entire time in the Ukriane to fight the Russain corruption, especially in regards to energy... Only to be slandered, smeared and character assassinated. and then be fired..? Yovanovitch was getting in the way,, not of Ukraine corruption... But Russia's corruption..
Tell me why, yesterday.. Erodogan and Trump agreed on fighting terroism and in then Erodogan defines the terrorists as PKK and YPL.. Kurds abbreveiation for groups of self governing and protection.. without even a comment From Trump ior his administration disputing it.

Why is it when Turkey buys arms from Russia.. there is no blowback

Why is it there was no "cease fire" in Syria, until Erodogan and Putin agreed to it.?
Like WTF/ did Russai have to do with it?..And Syria and the Kurds were totally left out of the loop.

Tell me Trump's motivation for any of this .. What was Trump and/or the US gaining, by Trump's actions.. Why was ...what trump did..... Right for the US. and Not right for Russia. Oh I forgot... It's all a SECRET!

Let me tell you Why you canhave no reason...YOU can't do it.. because it's all a Secret.. I can't do it either... because it's all a secret..

So just let's say...... Actions speak louder than words.


LeafReport 73M

11/14/2019 2:51 pm

    Quoting  :

Trump humiliates you every day of the week. You've become a disgraceful, racist gun nut.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/14/2019 5:37 pm

Let's be reasonable.. I can't prove it..Like I can't prove hearsay is an acceptable truth.

My way, to me.. is to hear an acceptable alternative that would provide ANY reasonable evidence to dispute the action. That reasonable evidence would first accept the action as done, and second Provide an explanation as to why that action was done.
.Don't try to say the fact of action wasn't a fact.. and then not explain why he did it.. and then explain why he did something.. that he didn't do.

I can't convince you in this case, As i couldn't in any case of treason.
IN all cases of treason and guilt.. The primary factor is ..it is kept secret..

Why does Trump Not tell Us?
Why does Trump not use his administration, who have direct contact.
To provide the exculpatory evidence?
Why does Trump not provide direct evidence TO those who support him.. So they can defend him
Why does Trump not acknowledge other elected official..And Yet expects himself to be acknowledged/
why does Trump not answer subpoenas, submit to investigations, and testimony?,
Why does Trump claim to be a victim of a hoax, a witch hunt, fake news, rigged elections, before there is even known evidence?
Why does Trump label certain thing as National Security.. when it obviously just Trump's security?

People say Trump thinks he above the Law.. Well, maybe, But there one thing I know ...Trump as President is above explanations.

So what we got is secrecy with No explanations.. Now that may not be sufficient to prove treason for... But because of it.... you have NO evidence to prove it's NOT
Maybe before you dismiss it.. find some evidence it's not....


LeafReport 73M

11/15/2019 2:06 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    As the articles of Impeachment are written... There appears to be a disagreement.. As to whether or not all the criminal acts of this President should be listed.. of Just the most offensive. like the Ukraine.

    So.. you have to ask yourself... What is the procedure and purpose of this impeachment.. Well, one would think it's suppose to be an investigation, an inquiry, hearings, Articles of indictment, Senate Trial and then removing of a President.

    But that's NOT what this impeachment is about..When evidence and proof and verdict... doesn't seem to matter above partisanship.
    With partisanship it doesn't become about right or wrong .. it becomes about control... the factors of control is ironically, no different between the Parties.

    Control the Presidency, control the senate, control the house, control the vote, control the people, control the propaganda, control the news cycles... Inspire their constituency with persuasion, motivation and inspiration AGAINST the OTHER SIDE?

    So why are Democrats doing it. For all of the above.... control.. It's a Democrat offensive. when they have for three years been defending .. American Unity,
    American justice, American "separation of powers", and the American Constitution...It's the offensive to do all the above. but they have choose the wrong enemy.

    No matter what Republican say, threaten or propagandize...this impeachment puts them on their heels. Takes the offensive from them..It sets them up for defeat.. if not in the short term of impeachment .. it will in the long term

    If you can believe what i am saying is accurate..... I suggest you think again about what is impeachment.

    Okay, to answer my first paragraph Question.. Should the articles of impeachment be specific to an event or should it be general articles..of criminality
    It should be both
    And you ask... How can that be both?

    It's a matter of finding the common thread...to multiple events.. To expose the common thread.. without BLAMING anyone in particular, but putting the onus on US all... Let the individual alone to determine the course of action., of whether impeachment is required.

    These article of impeachment.. HAVE TO IMPEACH RUSSIA AND PUTIN... All actions from the First election interference to the Ukraine.. Have to IMPEACH RUSSIA. The Mueller report, is not OVER.. There have been more incidents oto prove The validity of Russia involvement... and collusion and Conspiracy.
    Facilitating Russian goals.....Secret meetings with Putin and other Russian officials.... Continually using Russian operatives, and Russian connections For all Illicit events........ American conspiracies....Integrity of American institutions choosing Putin over that.... Failure to side with allies against Russia. Diminishing the power of NATO...Supporting Brexit....Failure to expose Turkey's involvement with Russia./.. Russia and Turkey's deals and Russia and Syria's deals And Russia and Iranian deals, Russia and North Korea's deall. Failure to expose specific Russian involvement in domestic and foreign policy. Failure to expose Russian bribery, extortion, money laundering, campaign finance, and specific emoluments to the President. Which appears, to me, to be the ONLY reason Trump will not provide his tax return..So that WE may follow the money.

    The ironies about that are so thick..you can't see through them.
    Democrats want to blame Trump and Republican...And Republican want to hide it.
    The irony that Democrats....Don't really care about Russia.. they care about Trump's lying, Trump manipulating, Trump's propaganda, Trump dividing. Racism, Trump's other emoluments, And defending a Constitution.. that doesn't need defending from Republicans.. All these thing.. do nothing to expose the reasons for impeachment.

    While the Republican..get to ignore their only common thread.. Their patriotism.
    To hide from a WAR we having with Russia...Yes it a war...
    The traitor is not for me say....but for US to say through the the actions he TAKES
    Treason is the only bi-partisan thing to agree upon..

    If you disagree don't tell me, I'm lying and don't tell me I don't know what it is.
    TELL ME...WTF?.. YOU THINK IT IS? .....What else it could be..
    One thing I know... you know for sure.... it's a SECRET... The Hallmark of TREASON.
I realize it will sound partisan but I genuinely believe it has only been about control from the republican perspective. There may be pockets of self-serving motives on both sides but it doesn't compute in the aggregate on the democratic side. That said, I do feel that the congress failed spectacularly in not launching impeachment on Trump YEARS ago, even before the Mueller report was issued. I feel the need for impeachment should always take precedent over the sentiment of the public. We have to protect our institutions. We may have gotten it wrong with special counsel laws and we do need to learn from those experiences. In a fair assessment, non partisanship, the Clinton impeachment was ridiculous. That should not have occurred and that WAS about control. This time, impeachment is legitimate, however, I believe the proper thing to do here is to include all offenses, not just the Ukraine matter. It's been messy but it always is. I just find it appalling that republicans would so brazenly ignore obstruction of justice by Trump. That alone warrants removal.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/15/2019 6:28 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I realize it will sound partisan but I genuinely believe it has only been about control from the republican perspective. There may be pockets of self-serving motives on both sides but it doesn't compute in the aggregate on the democratic side. That said, I do feel that the congress failed spectacularly in not launching impeachment on Trump YEARS ago, even before the Mueller report was issued. I feel the need for impeachment should always take precedent over the sentiment of the public. We have to protect our institutions. We may have gotten it wrong with special counsel laws and we do need to learn from those experiences. In a fair assessment, non partisanship, the Clinton impeachment was ridiculous. That should not have occurred and that WAS about control. This time, impeachment is legitimate, however, I believe the proper thing to do here is to include all offenses, not just the Ukraine matter. It's been messy but it always is. I just find it appalling that republicans would so brazenly ignore obstruction of justice by Trump. That alone warrants removal.
Last Night I watched Raschel Maddow.. The first thirty minutes was about my blog

Now , of course, Rachel didn't have the balls to use the word Treason.. A real Journalist wouldn't do that.. not like those folks at Fox news or on the radio.
Anyway she hit all my high points. and tied it all to Russia.


LeafReport 73M

11/15/2019 1:49 pm

    Quoting  :

I must say you are credible on that. But it's a serious stretch. At the same time you cannot ignore everything else and you continue to do that. I know you haven't read the Mueller report and you owe it to yourself in order to credibly, lay claim to credibility. That's what makes you stupid....

BUT...you are right on proving it. The one thing we do not know is IF Trump is being blackmailed. We also don't know if the person doing the blackmail is even Putin? It could be corrupt money from somewhere in Russia and Putin could be the blackmailer's mean dog if Trump strays. It could be Putin himself, or the Saudi's. It could be anybody with deep pockets and his hands on the card that topples it all. What it isn't is genius, or competence, or patriotism. This mystery deserved giving Mueller full latitude and unfortunately he didn't get that. The REAL problem was the firing of Comey and McCabe. The FBI should have been allowed to do their job. The tax return has to get to congress...IMMEDIATELY. But it might not. Trump might get away with it...and that sir, is the ultimate insult to any claim whatsoever to credibility.

After today's testimony...I suspect you're frozen pork chop stabbing again. But you could be vomiting.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/19/2019 7:00 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I realize it will sound partisan but I genuinely believe it has only been about control from the republican perspective. There may be pockets of self-serving motives on both sides but it doesn't compute in the aggregate on the democratic side. That said, I do feel that the congress failed spectacularly in not launching impeachment on Trump YEARS ago, even before the Mueller report was issued. I feel the need for impeachment should always take precedent over the sentiment of the public. We have to protect our institutions. We may have gotten it wrong with special counsel laws and we do need to learn from those experiences. In a fair assessment, non partisanship, the Clinton impeachment was ridiculous. That should not have occurred and that WAS about control. This time, impeachment is legitimate, however, I believe the proper thing to do here is to include all offenses, not just the Ukraine matter. It's been messy but it always is. I just find it appalling that republicans would so brazenly ignore obstruction of justice by Trump. That alone warrants removal.
Exactly..

that idea that impeachment involves a single impeachable offense.. is petty far fetched.

the overall, evidence is not about an event.. it's about every event. It's commonality.

Republican understand there is corruption.. but their ability to differentiate is the issue.. The corruption exist to the extent that there is only corruption there is no higher purpose.. So corruption, is not based on moral grounds..
But corruption is only a measure.. OF who and what is corrupting for Whom? .

When it comes to Trump.. we have much better base to understand it..the moral versus the pragmatic.
But...the truer nature of the problem is the Trump supporter and many other Republican and some Democrats.. view of the pragmatism of WINNING..the pragmatism of immigration.. the pragmatism of the economy, the pragmatism of taxes, the pragmatism of voting rights, the pragmatism of racism, and the pragmatism of America First, and making America Great. The pragmatism of corruption.......And the pragmatism of their OWN lives...

The destruction is NOT of OUR democracy.. but the destruction of theirs and OUR moral grounds

Which in the history of America..is the greatest Irony, and hypocrisy of any political group...How their moral battle against corruption becomes corruptions. Fighting the fire with the fire.. Until the only thing left is undistinguished and indistinguishable FIRE.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/19/2019 7:07 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I realize it will sound partisan but I genuinely believe it has only been about control from the republican perspective. There may be pockets of self-serving motives on both sides but it doesn't compute in the aggregate on the democratic side. That said, I do feel that the congress failed spectacularly in not launching impeachment on Trump YEARS ago, even before the Mueller report was issued. I feel the need for impeachment should always take precedent over the sentiment of the public. We have to protect our institutions. We may have gotten it wrong with special counsel laws and we do need to learn from those experiences. In a fair assessment, non partisanship, the Clinton impeachment was ridiculous. That should not have occurred and that WAS about control. This time, impeachment is legitimate, however, I believe the proper thing to do here is to include all offenses, not just the Ukraine matter. It's been messy but it always is. I just find it appalling that republicans would so brazenly ignore obstruction of justice by Trump. That alone warrants removal.
Exactly..

that idea that impeachment involves a single impeachable offense.. is petty far fetched.

the overall, evidence is not about an event.. it's about every event. It's commonality.

Republican understand there is corruption.. but their ability to differentiate is the issue.. The corruption exist to the extent that there is only corruption there is no higher purpose.. So corruption, is not based on moral grounds..
But corruption is only a measure.. OF who and what is corrupting for Whom? .

When it comes to Trump.. we have much better base to understand it..the moral versus the pragmatic.
But...the truer nature of the problem is the Trump supporter and many other Republican and some Democrats.. view of the pragmatism of WINNING..the pragmatism of immigration.. the pragmatism of the economy, the pragmatism of taxes, the pragmatism of voting rights, the pragmatism of racism, and the pragmatism of America First, and making America Great. The pragmatism of corruption.......And the pragmatism of their OWN lives...

when it appears they are burning up OUR democracy.. when they are just burning up.. THEIR and OUR moral grounds
Which in the history of America..is the greatest Irony, and hypocrisy of any political group...How their moral battle against corruption becomes corruptions. Fighting the fire with the fire.. Until the only thing left is undistinguished and indistinguishable FIRE.