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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
11/11/2019 5:35 am
Quid Pro Quo.. versus Extortion.


Trump would have you believe nothing was happening with his dealings with the Ukraine..

Let me ask Trump supporter... If Trump asked to be paid 10 million to help the Ukraine for him to release the aid..Would that be illegal?. Would that be quid pro quo, extortion, or blackmail?

And if you reply.. It not the same, it's hypothetical, and an IF.
You are bigger idiots than I already think..

Because if you can think.. you would understand.. it's exactly the same

How stupid for anybody to believe the quid pro quo was Aid for an investigation...The investigation had nothing to do with it. Listen to the hearing, read the transcripts.. this was NOT about the Ukraine doing an investigation.. It was about the Ukraine President making PUBLIC Announcement..that they were doing an investigation.. the doing it had nothing to do with it..

What we failure to realize is the mileage Trump gets in making accusations, that is not entirely off the wall.. but accusations that has a basis people can hang their hats on. an "alleged investigation" is their MAGA hat

This was NOT about the Ukraine actually doing an investigation.. it was about ANNOUNCING IT... Trump would take care of the rest of it.

So how is that 10 millions dollars worth... It wasn't about the Ukraine giving Trump 10 million dollar it was about Trump being able to stick 10 million dollar back in his pocket. It would be talking points, and advertisement, and propaganda ...Trump wouldn't have to PAY for.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2019 6:15 am

The real genius of Trumps criminality is that the AID wasn't his to give. It was already given. So the art of the deal is to make the other party think you have something to give... when you have nothing and get them to pay for nothing..
It the true sense, as with all of Trumps dealing,.. It's wasn't quid pro quo, or even extortion..It was nothing for nothing
For the Ukraine....they were buying the "timing".. not the goods. And the aspect of that makes it BLACKMAIL.. holding a hostage. that isn't your to hold. With a time limit to pay the ransom. What trump honestly believed it was easy peasy What was the sweat about trading Aid for a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT.. what kind crime is that? what kind of quid pro quo is that. Trading AID that wasn't his to trade for an investigation that wasn't theirs to do.

Now lets get to true nature of this impeachment... As the Republican support this President and say it business as usual, and that Hillary did it Obama did it..The same thing, and didn't get impeached..
It's like someone robs a bank and gets caught.. and their defense is that other people have the rob a bank and not got caught. Why should they be the only one getting caught and convicted.... It must be a "witch hunt"

Well you buy that? I don't .. you send the ones you catch to prison.. You make those who come after them, think twice before doing it..you don't give them carte blanch to do it.. You send the ones . you CAN to the "CAN"....
The OLD farmers saying.... about spilling it and spoiling it..
WILL THE POURING "RAIN" SPOIL THE BEANS....?.
NOT IF IT'S... IN THE "CAN"


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2019 12:11 pm

yes a part truth.. that's untrue.. the prosecutor at that time was found to be corrupt.. The corruption was exposed by the Us foreign service, the European Union. and even in the Ukraine itself.. It was known corruption, not an investigation.. Biden was serving the US foreign policy, not his policy, but the US policy.. It wasn't hidden. it was in the open. The true corruption of natural gas was being handled by the Ukraine.. The idea that fostered Guilanni and his cohorts was to bring that corruption back.. The corruption that paid Manafort and Russian control of Ukraine natural gas.
This was Trump's double dealing.... Either no Aid, or Russia's return to control natural gas in the Ukraine. You just can't get away from Russia in anything Trump does.

Of course you are not an independent thinker.. In fact the ideas expressed about the Ukraine Public Announcement and not investigation.. to NOT be a result of the investigation but how the announcement could be USED.....Should be completely under your understanding.. Because that's what you DO. You don't care what Biden actually did....all you care about is USING IT.. Truth or Lie doesn't matter.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2019 2:11 pm

Is it so hard to ask to listen to testimonies and put two and two together..

The release of Laura Cooper's testimony today..is AMAZING

Many of you don't understand it..She said that one of the conditions of release of aid was for Zelensky to disavow the interference of the 2016 election. What the hell is that?

Well Zelensky was suppose to do two things.. investigate Biden's dealing with the previous Ukraine Administration, and disavow the election interference and investigations of the previous administration.. This was to be an admission by Zelensky of the corruption of the previous administration and the re-opening of the investigation... Zelensky vowing to never do, What the Ukraine never did in the first place

So let's consider that Zelensky did that.. What does it mean? It infers both that the Ukraine was involved in the election interference and also both Bidens were involved in Ukraine corrupt politics.

How do you take that back.. how does one combat the untruth of that. Once that cat was out of bag... the damage would be done.. And credibility to the Russia story line of it wasn't us it was the Ukraine.. and the Biden corruption

Trump would have played it to the hilt..Russia would have benefited, and the American public would continue to be duped.


LeafReport 73M

11/12/2019 2:11 am

    Quoting  :

That's just astonishingly stupid. It's ignorant of the fact of the entire matter with Trump, it's self-serving, it's perverse, it's subversive in nature, you're spreading propaganda in reality. You sir, are the epitome of an ugly American with a motivation as dark and cult driven as it comes. It's a pity, it's really a pity that a human being can be so possessed by emotionally unbalanced and abusive behavior as you have fallen victim to. I think if you apologized for your perpetual lies you might find hope of restoring a reputation that you threw, willingly, into a pile of stinking garbage. Have a nice day.


LeafReport 73M

11/12/2019 2:18 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Is it so hard to ask to listen to testimonies and put two and two together..

    The release of Laura Cooper's testimony today..is AMAZING

    Many of you don't understand it..She said that one of the conditions of release of aid was for Zelensky to disavow the interference of the 2016 election. What the hell is that?

    Well Zelensky was suppose to do two things.. investigate Biden's dealing with the previous Ukraine Administration, and disavow the election interference and investigations of the previous administration.. This was to be an admission by Zelensky of the corruption of the previous administration and the re-opening of the investigation... Zelensky vowing to never do, What the Ukraine never did in the first place

    So let's consider that Zelensky did that.. What does it mean? It infers both that the Ukraine was involved in the election interference and also both Bidens were involved in Ukraine corrupt politics.

    How do you take that back.. how does one combat the untruth of that. Once that cat was out of bag... the damage would be done.. And credibility to the Russia story line of it wasn't us it was the Ukraine.. and the Biden corruption

    Trump would have played it to the hilt..Russia would have benefited, and the American public would continue to be duped.
That was powerful testimony and frankly the procedural matters here and the concerns raised were exactly what I would expect to emerge in the first place. To make excuses for Trump or to pass it off as nothing is an insult to the intelligence of the American people...well most of us.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 4:10 am

There is a commonality between most Trump supporters, and Republicans in general.
A true base of Republicanism.. That most Liberals fail to realize..

It Patriotism...

Their is also another factor they are self serving.. So what we got is a lot of self serving patriots. You can't fight them on the self servicing part. They don't, can't, and wont differentiate their self serving from your self serving., no matter what you say. They hold the banner of patriotism to make that difference.

When you look at "big' and fossil, and hiram It's the only thing they have in. common. Do you doubt their way of seeing their patriotism?

No quid pro quo, emoluments, Constitutional infighting, court decisions, public opinions, LIES, Partisanship, double dealing, leverage or blackmail is going to change that. When you bring the fight to them about those things it allows them to ignore a TRUTH
A truth that has always been the most important basis for Republicanism and their view of ANY PRESIDENT..

We go back to square one....Which NOW has a mountain of evidence.. that they have been able to turn into a molehill....It's so obvious.. They have no counterpoint for. NOW.
It has always been Just about Russia, the other stuff doesn't matter to them.
It's always been about their ability to ignore the Russia thing.

We can call Trump a dupe, complicit, or a participant. We say he being leveraged, blackmailed, compromised. We can say about He's using Russia and not Russia using him.

WE can say anything about the reasons... But as soon as Trump supporters realize it.
They will understand... there is NO excuse for being a traitor..
I don't want to tell them Trump is traitor.. If we were to eliminate all the other fighting...It would be the first conclusion his supporters would come to.

And we don't get it.....That WE are the reason they can ignore it. They can ignore Trump being a traitor as they equivocate that to the rest of Us being traitors. They way they see it ...how can Trump be any worse than Obama or Clinton,at being a traitor? Once they see it, the truth, it's over for Trump.. Obama and Clinton may have been traitors to AMERICA..traitors to an IDEA.. Trump is a traitor FOR RUSSIA, NOT AN IDEA.. but a real life, real time, real events... TRAITOR.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 4:30 am

There are indicators.. that this will become the basis for impeachment..the Russia connection..
Our congressional leader aren't stupid

They know it is the ONLY thing that will matter.. to change people's minds. As far as trump's tax return goes, and the corruption it will tell. The congress does give a crap about any of it... EXCEPT the RUSSIA connection..

The Mueller report.. will be used by both sides..For Democrats it will be FURTHER EVIDENCE of the RUSSIA connection.. For Trump it will be an EXONERATION for the Russia Connection... the question who are we going to believe? Who can back it up?

The most illogical idea here is about Trump and his unyielding protection of Russia.. The idea that there was Russian interference in the election..
WAS over, it was done.
Why can't trump leave it alone.. Why must he continue to try and exonerate Russia. You think it's to Protect Russia.. I doubt it.. It's always been about Trump and about what coming down the pike..And now it's arrived.

If Democrats are successful.. You won't even need a vote in the Senate.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 5:12 am

Russia and election interference.. home and abroad
Russia and the Ukraine.
Russia and the Mueller report
Russia and the black Sea and maritime law
Russia and NATO
Russia and Eastern Europe
Russia and Syria and the KURDS
Russia and Turkey
Russia and the Middle East
Russia and the Baltics
Russia and Afghanistan
Russia and oil and natural gas.
Russia and the G-7
Russia and our own intelligence agencies
Russia and Sanctions
Russia and campaign finance
Russia and the news Media
Russia and Trade agreements
Russia and our own divisions, chaos, racism, nationalism.
Russia and conspiracies

It's all about Russia!

Russia and sex...Beauty pageants, building hotels, Hotel rooms, hookers, pissing, f*cking and mushroom dick sucking......Les Parnas, Igor Furman, Deripaska, Firstash, Kilslyak , Manafort, yes and even Melania.. Nah ..trump doesn't have any connection to Russia and Eastern Europe!

Now.. is it okay that Trump likes Putin.. I guess so
but does he have "to sleep" with everybody he likes?
why can't he just settle for grabbing he's p*ssy

Didn't he understand that once you grab the pussy.. It's obvious... the cat is out of the bag...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 5:53 am

When Trump makes a deal and says you are going to get a cut of the pie.

You got to be careful about what he's going to "cut you out"

Now... don't cry over spilt milk.. it just turns into KURDS.. And their ain't no pie big enough... for you to get a piece.

Now we are America....so don't try grabbing the bull by the horns...unless you're willing to grab a fur burger first

So just sing....." BYE BYE Miss America PIE"...

Cherries are money, and in America we won't cut down the money tree for YOU
but you can go ahead and eat our Fur pie, and suck on our straws until you get the "milk and honey"..

LoL.... I'd like to laugh.. but it's not fricken funny.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 6:23 am

Isn't it strange that our WITHDRAWAL of Troops from SYRIA..
Now requires and Armored division?

Now the Kurds.. did away with ISIS.. Lost 11,000 souls...

You're an idiot if you don't realize what Trump is doing.. and why he's doing it.

It isn't NOW about ISIS..It's about the KURDS.......Not allowing the Kurds to self govern, Not allowing the Kurds to Protect themselves. Not providing arms, armor, and support for them to do so. Not allowing the Kurds control of the oil, so they could finance it, themselves.

It's a total and complete BETRAYAL of The KURDS..
They were cut out of the PIE.. It's wasn't in our best interest.. It was in all our adversaries best interest, Including ISIS and especially Russia.

How many Allies.. are we going to have to throw into the arms of Russia.. before you get IT.?

The ONLY reason.. these smaller countries are our allies.. is their sense of protection from their enemies. Now think like a smaller country.. if your bigger allies will not protect you from your bigger enemy.. Your only choice is to make your bigger enemy your ally.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 6:49 am

You think Brexit is about economics.... You people are idiots.. It about alliances.. the European Union as a whole can create their own separate alliance to protect themselves.. It is necessary for Europe to become a power in itself..
A power equal to NATO.. without America..They are biding their time about that. They want a United States of Europe.

What to YOU think Russia thinks of that?
Why does Russia support Brexit, support the destruction of all European alliances. The destruction NATO?
Is because you think they FEAR them?

No... it's all about America and Europe and DIVIDE AND CONQUER..

What is TRUMP doing about That?

The British people and Americans need to smarten up.. and not look into their wallets. but for the sickle and hammer that coming down on them.

If this goes any further... Trump will not be known as the worst President ever..
He'll be known as the Greatest American TRAITOR.
Step aside Benedict.. Your now just going to be known for "eggs" in your face.. And Trump and associates. are going to "whine" and dine with the "Gallo's" family
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Rentier2 79M
950 posts
11/12/2019 7:55 am

Since you are using Latin, I have another phrase for you that applies to Mango.

It begins with 'Quo usque tandem'.


LeafReport 73M

11/12/2019 2:43 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You think Brexit is about economics.... You people are idiots.. It about alliances.. the European Union as a whole can create their own separate alliance to protect themselves.. It is necessary for Europe to become a power in itself..
    A power equal to NATO.. without America..They are biding their time about that. They want a United States of Europe.

    What to YOU think Russia thinks of that?
    Why does Russia support Brexit, support the destruction of all European alliances. The destruction NATO?
    Is because you think they FEAR them?

    No... it's all about America and Europe and DIVIDE AND CONQUER..

    What is TRUMP doing about That?

    The British people and Americans need to smarten up.. and not look into their wallets. but for the sickle and hammer that coming down on them.

    If this goes any further... Trump will not be known as the worst President ever..
    He'll be known as the Greatest American TRAITOR.
    Step aside Benedict.. Your now just going to be known for "eggs" in your face.. And Trump and associates. are going to "whine" and dine with the "Gallo's" family.
It's a hot mess and it feels like so few of us see what is happening.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/12/2019 2:51 pm

    Quoting Rentier2:
    Since you are using Latin, I have another phrase for you that applies to Mango.

    It begins with 'Quo usque tandem'.
Well.... it's not going to go on forever..
Three years, four years, eight bits a dollar
Everybody is going to Stand up and holler.

There a better chance Trump will die in the next eight days.. than he will last for eight years...

What I say.... if you think I'm wrong....maybe it would good to start learning Russian..
protiv vsekh raznoglasiy!