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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
11/5/2019 3:24 pm
Impeachment... it's effect on 2020.


Trump supporters have indicated that this impeachmetn will only get them to "dig in their heels. For Donald Trump.

That may sound bad for Democrats.

But Democrats will tell you that removing Trump is NOT about the 2020 election.

My last blog..was title "Sea of Uncertainty."

With the uncertainty that Democrat could be successful, and the impeachment allowing Trump supporters to dig in their heels because of the impeachment of Trump.. It may seem Democrat aren't being very smart.

WRONG!

The sea of uncertainty..applies to things differently..
America and many Democrats are uncertain if Trump supporters are dupes, complicit or participants.

The impeachment of Trump, will be overwhelming FACTUAL evidence and Constitutional evidence of it validity... The impeachment forces people to vote.
Voting is not being duped, or complicit... It's participation.

The fact that Trump will be exonerated.. will do two things, first, it will loosen the heels of his his supporters...and second it will identify who participated in ignoring the evidence and voiding the Constitution.

That idea that a criminal is found not guilty.. doesn't make the criminal not guilty.. What makes the criminal not guilty is those who participate in the not guilty verdict.

WE have failed to identify, but a small of Trump support, that participates in Trump being above the law. This impeachment vote will identify ALL those who think that way.

So, in the election of 2020.. This may have little effect on Trump's electability, because that's pretty much stuck in the mud.

But Senators who vote for acquittal, inspite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.. will lose votes. They will be blamed for releasing the criminal... and it will flow downhill to other Federal, State and local election.

The idea of this impeachment, politically.. is not to impeach the President.. but to impeach his supporters. Those who believe in the evidence, will dig in their heels..
It will become the ONLY issue in 2020.. The defeat of the participants, who believe Trump is above the law. and wish to void our Constitution


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2019 3:34 pm

The" acts of impeachment" should be the longest in history.. There will be things in it .. You never even heard of.
Every single impeachable offense should be listed.

The idea that Democrats should focus on the primary issues is mistake..

There will be a conclusion that Trump is innocent...by the Senate.
Trump will make it ALL an exoneration
Trump will accept NO BLAME.

No matter the primary issue.. It is beyond logic to assume that Trump is entirely innocent.

The failure to accept, any fault, is a statement that Trump is above the law
That is the primary question of this impeachment.. get his supporters to say it,
get his supporters to vote on it.. Get his supporters to sink him and themselves with Trump's exoneration.


LeafReport 73M

11/6/2019 4:10 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The" acts of impeachment" should be the longest in history.. There will be things in it .. You never even heard of.
    Every single impeachable offense should be listed.

    The idea that Democrats should focus on the primary issues is mistake..

    There will be a conclusion that Trump is innocent...by the Senate.
    Trump will make it ALL an exoneration
    Trump will accept NO BLAME.

    No matter the primary issue.. It is beyond logic to assume that Trump is entirely innocent.

    The failure to accept, any fault, is a statement that Trump is above the law
    That is the primary question of this impeachment.. get his supporters to say it,
    get his supporters to vote on it.. Get his supporters to sink him and themselves with Trump's exoneration.
I actually agree that everything should be listed. I'm not sure they will do that perhaps believing they could lose votes, but don't you think that should make it easier to get GOP votes? Perhaps not yesterday...but now that Kentucky and Virginia have delivered STUNNING blows, a complete list makes sense to me.


LeafReport 73M

11/6/2019 4:13 am

A couple days ago I read a complete list of everything every GOP senator has said about impeachment. Doesn't look to me like anybody is going to vote for removal. Only thing that will change that are state polls at the 11th hour, and its still iffy....sadly.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 5:54 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    A couple days ago I read a complete list of everything every GOP senator has said about impeachment. Doesn't look to me like anybody is going to vote for removal. Only thing that will change that are state polls at the 11th hour, and its still iffy....sadly.
Well, that's my point..

You know just what you hear.. You don't know what you don't hear.. You got to think about what you don't hear.

The Senate especially..

You got to think.. why bills aren't brought up to the Senate. You think it's to support Trump, or thwart a bill....It's neither of those things. It's the fact that MOST Republican senators don't want to even vote on controversial stuff.

What the Kentucky governor election showed us is that a candidate can't just run on Trump's coattails. Most Senators are caught in that predicament..Can't win if you ride Trump's coattail, and you can't win if you don't.

That's what impeachment will do, force them to vote...Vote against the Truth or vote against Trump. The audience for them is Not Trump's base.. It's not Democrats.. It's Independents and the moderate Right.. Many of them can't win without those votes. But they can't win without the Trump base votes either.

How the Democrat senators vote won't matter.. What will matter... is the offset of the Republican predicament....the need to obtain Independent and the moderate Right voters..
So you got to listen to what you don't hear..
Elizabeth Warren is the least viable, front running Candidate for those voters.

What will be, most Republican senators final decision..?
They will vote against impeachment....Silently......
What will be their Cheer.......?
Lean to LEFT......... Lean to the RIGHT......Stand up..Sit down.....
FIGHT, HIDE, FIGHT!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 6:09 am

It's about time do nothing Democrats... Become do nothing democrats.

Beshear won because he ignored.. the Trump factor...

All democrats have to do is put the sinking ship with holes in it.. In the sea.. Let the "sees" of America... do the sinking.
You don't bail them out.
It's a burning ship
You don't put water on the fire... they have set for themselves.

You think you got to do something....When all you have to do is VOTE.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 6:20 am

You got to read between the lines..It's already THERE... even if you can't hear it NOW

Most Republicans senators... will say the same thing...No matter what the evidence is, No matter how bad it is for the President........the voice will be the same..

What Trump did..was not what they would have done..It's not entirely right.
But they voted against impeachment, because it did not reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. THERE will NEVER be enough proof for that to happen.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 7:42 am

When we look at Kentucky and Virginia.....And we think Mitch McConnell is getting Blue in the face....And Virginia Republicans are getting Blue in the face..

We fail to recognize, The more pertinent truth about those elections.. As it is carried across Their borders...

The factors of Eastern Kentucky and Western Virginia..and their borderless State.. Like WWII and the invisible "Marginot", (marginal) Line..Separating them from West Virginia..
And we here at SFF...
We begin to wonder if Starwomyn's crystal balls.. have turned Blue.
It virtually killed Southern Ohio for the Republicans
And can the Tennessee two step... be far behind.

When we look at Kentucky and Virginia.. Democrat will assume it to be a National referendum....WTF is wrong with your people?
What it is..... is a borderless Regional referendum....It's a regional referendum.. On jobs, education, pension funds and social security, coal mining, voting rights, the environment and climate change, On healthcare.. NOT as it relates to Medicare for all.. but as it relates to Medicaid, Mental health, Veterans, Opioids and Drug prices.
It had very little to do.. with racism, abortions, regulations, income equality, big business, taxes, the Economy, religion or immigration. That's for the REST of the Country to vote on.

How do we know it's REGIONAL? Well, it's called the Mason-Dixon Line and it's hard to cross
What it DIDN'T have to do with in Kentucky and Virginia... It had to do with in Mississippi.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 9:40 am

There are clues to what Democrats should do...

The first one is to continue with the impeachment process, and DEMAND that it goes to the Senate for any "exoneration" vote and to ignore Trump
The second one is to to stop fighting Trump.
The third one is to NOT get ahead of your ski's.... on racism, abortions, regulations, income equality, big business, taxes, the Economy, religion or immigration, medicare for All, women's rights and gay rights
The fourth one.. is know that whatever Trump does...is just another nail in his coffin.
The fifth one.. is to begin treating Trump as lame Duck president.
The sixth one, and ONLY concern, for Democrats is that Trump's corruption doesn't invade our election process more than it already has. You don't need to FIX what's already done, just make sure it doesn't get more broken. You don't need to fix the Electoral college to win..But Trump needs to put the "fix" on the Electoral College to win..Because let me assure you, he will do it, to WIN. You don't need to worry about "foreign influences" anymore.. You got to worry about "internal influences" that will go beyond what they have already done to destroy our democracy. Beyond Trump's base support ...he has LOST his credibility, the credibility of any "foreign influence"..And credibility of ANY of his truths, and ALL his LIES.
Seventh one... Trust in America...and trust all Americans, even Trump's base support.
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What's the largest vote loss possible to still win the U.S. Presidency?

If you go by an extreme hypothetical, you can lose by 60 million votes
A less extreme hypothetical: You can win by taking 22% of the popular vote, using the fact that the electoral college is skewed against big states.